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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 9/16/2005 5:06:52 PM

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IMO....I believe its His way of population control.

Is there a biblical or prophecy reference, or is it just your opinion? I know my words look a terrible statement - it really isnt meant to be. Sometimes writing words and questions without voice or facial inflection is such a pain. It is a sincere question.

I have contemplated the thought, but eventually reasoned that it just isn't Gods way. He doesn't want to control people in that way because that just completely removes freedom and choice.

As for diseases, those are, again part of a naturally evolving planet and many illness' are self or man inflicted - either directly or indirectly via ignorance.

Everyone sees a bad act and assumes its Gods Wrath, or that Hes killing - no one ever sees a lesson to learn from - always they assume Gods terrible mistake. It's a complete cop out.

I shall turn the tables - God is seen as a crutch for the weak... something to cling to, that final stand for people who can't stand alone. Well I say, bugger that - Gods just a big ole crutch for those who don't want to take responsibility for their actions and have a need to find someone else to blame...?

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 9/20/2005 3:58:51 AM

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My most profoundest of apologies to all for dropping out. Had some serious digital viral issues and still not sure if they're all worked out. Then work got in the way of following up. So give me a couple more days to get caught up and then I'll try to take up where Merc and I left off.

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 9/20/2005 2:01:41 PM

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Merc;
I suggest looking at a philosopher I have great respect for. He posts a column and here is a link to some archives of his articles. Very clear thinker and communicator.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20050920.shtml

His articles on the family values, specifically (First fight yourself, then society) speak directly about the effects on society when the family values are attacked as they are currently being done by the Leftist activists.

I would expand this just a bit and include the effects on society when society attacks the relationship with our Maker. This does much to explain God's options when what He wants is to build and grow relationship with us.

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 9/20/2005 6:35:47 PM

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Prager appears to be a right-handed prick...........
I am a sinistra, but that is relative..........

this is straw man to the last degree........
they are the left (anything that idiots don't agree with)
they are the right (those with the mainstream and wonderful values)
fuck that gladhand asswipe

So the point of this is exactly what the point of all of it is.
Left/Right is not a division less than God/Devil

Reality is not that simple.

While it is convenient to to say that if you are not for the dumbass idiology of Bush (note the texture), you must be against it, or as they have said in time immemorial you are for us or against us.......

There exist other realms than holy wars.

Rambling? No.

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 9/20/2005 11:22:19 PM

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Prager appears to be a right-handed prick...........
I am a sinistra, but that is relative..........

this is straw man to the last degree........
they are the left (anything that idiots don't agree with)
they are the right (those with the mainstream and wonderful values)
fuck that gladhand asswipe

So the point of this is exactly what the point of all of it is.
Left/Right is not a division less than God/Devil

Reality is not that simple.

While it is convenient to to say that if you are not for the dumbass idiology of Bush (note the texture), you must be against it, or as they have said in time immemorial you are for us or against us.......

There exist other realms than holy wars.

Rambling? No.

I'm still trying to figure out how to operate this feature, bear with me.

I referred to Mr. Prager specifically for his ability to clearly state defined act and consequence. Guess he strikes a tender nerve with you. Yes he is right/conservative, this does not automatically mean idiot as you suggest. I don't believe you have a point but an agenda to shoot down any conservative voice. The only thing I get out of your post is name calling and blind criticism. If you have a refutation of my overall point, I'd like to read it.

Otherwise start a new thread and I'll be happy to discuss Right/Left idiologies and their consequences there. The discussion here is centered around Acts of God. Since Dennis deals with these issues consistantly, I thought I'd offer his articles for perusing to add insight to the subject matter here. Faith, attributes of God, and our perception of His acts in the light of information from the different faith systems and writings as well as what we can observe of Him.

The division you speak of (Left/Right less than God/devil) is true enough I guess. But not a point worth our time. The division is. We can overcome it if we want to. That won't be accomplished with namecalling and invalidating the discussion by dismissing the author as idealogue. You are more an idealogue than he. He at least represents his ideas with thought out conclusions.

The point I made is our behavior with our Creator has immediate and eternal consequences. Those consequences are societal as well as personal. As a man, tribe, nation, and as a geneological line. We are born in sin, the sin of our fathers are visited on the family line to the third and fourth generation. The punishment falls on the child of a sinner not because God wants to hurt innocent children but because we, in our freedom to choose, (free will) chose to do what is wrong and bad for us. That wrong hurts the sinner, his family, his tribe, and his nation.

Eventually, God must deal with us in terrible wrath to forstall our self destruction. The wrath is held as long as possible to give the sinner the chance to change his behavior patterns. God hopes. He knows all from the beginning to the end, but He waits as long as He can to give as many as possible that opportunity. Then the wrath falls on us all. Children will learn the behavior patterns of the parents and on and on until there is no hope left. So children suffer with the rest of us. The rain falls on the evil and the righteous. This means we receive His blessing and/or curses as a society.

My fervent hope for you is peace, not as the world knows peace, but the peace that comes with knowing you are ok with your Maker. This peace remains no matter what goes on in the world. You cannot be shaken from this peace when you know you will be in His favor in the end.

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 9/21/2005 10:20:22 AM

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i dunno whether Prager is a rightist just from reading what he wrote; people define that for themselves to the point where it loses meaning. i cannot count how many people have told me they are liberal conservatives. i cannot fault them; but to me it sounds likes an oxymoron.

As for what Prager wrote; he's not alone. Many people believe the more government does, the less the people do. They point to thr welfare system as an example. In it's most simplistic, they argue women bear more kids to increase their allotment. Ergo, smaller allotments or none at all for additional kids will stem the tide. This has always seemed stupid to me; i find the problem with the welfare system is the workers. All people tend to act in their own best interests, and for government workers, this means more laws and regulations, and thus more pay and more positions. This does not mean government must set objective standards and meet them; they act with impunity since most voters cannot see the expansion.

As for claiming to be conservative, to me that means the fewest possible laws, especially federal ones, and the absolute protection from intrusion into our homes, barring child abuse. That is not at all what it means to the religious right, who want to impose their values on everyone.

So, when assigning labels like "left" and "right" i think it helps to also disclose which version one means.

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 9/21/2005 2:42:04 PM

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Well, I understand what you mean, but most people who call themselves "conservatives" don't have that agenda. (I think in principle some of them might agree that it means "the fewest possible laws," but in practice that's hardly the case.)

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As for claiming to be conservative, to me that means the fewest possible laws, especially federal ones, and the absolute protection from intrusion into our homes, barring child abuse. That is not at all what it means to the religious right, who want to impose their values on everyone.

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 9/21/2005 3:30:41 PM

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That's my point, Lam...people call themselves all sorts of things but we do not agree within our own political party what the lable means.

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 9/21/2005 6:07:22 PM

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This is another significant way in which the Judeo-Christian value system differs from the dominant value system -- that of the Left -- in the contemporary West. Dennis Prager from the link.

He is an ignorant and worthless prick to say stupid shit like that. Not worth an aughts worth of further bother. Anyone can be enamored by dumbasses, thats why we have CNN........

Yet perhaps you do not see that as inflammatory and my intimating that he is an idiot is seen as inflammatory. Perhaps its a lack of Judeo-Christian values, such as the crusades, the inquisition, the aiding and abetting of the holocust, the easter bunny and santa, the placid condonment of pedastery and the wholesale slaughtering of Scandinavian heathen towns in the name of jehovah; why bother they were headed for hell anyway...is it a timing thing or what? That's before I answer that I will talk about what I please on any thread I please. If you start a left/right one I may talk on that, and it may not be about lefthandedness and righthandedness or any other fucking subject.

End of refutation.

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 11/19/2007 8:24:40 PM

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If the Bible is the "Word of God" and the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" is a statement of fact as God's commandment; why is it that many "Act's of God" such as earthquakes, tornadoes, tsunamis, hurricanes, etc; kill?

Let's remember that "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is an commandment to humans. Since the Hebrews went on a killing spree to claim the land of Milk and Honey, the commandment could be interprited for Jews shall not kill Jews. Either way, we are not to kill each other. God has no commandments to follow. As a Dom, I'm sure you have figured that making the rules never implies that you have to follow them as well. So when God kills or allows us to die due to an "Act of God" he is not breaking the rule "Thou Shalt Not Kill!"

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 11/19/2007 8:25:42 PM

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You just bumped a thread that's over two-years old. :P

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 11/19/2007 11:39:16 PM

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Actually, the correct translation from Hebrew is "Thou Shalt Not Murder".
As for why God allows these other things to happen, that's a tough one.

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 11/20/2007 12:03:35 AM

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Come on - that is like your Mom telling you not to cross the street, and when you disobey and get hit by a car do you blame your Mom? Did God tell us not to live in certain location? No. Do we know there are problem living in certain locations? Yes. Should we blame God because we live in a location that happens to be dangerous? No! Is God stopping us from improving our situation? No! If you want to live in one of the known danger zone then be prepared for what will happen.

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 11/20/2007 2:07:11 AM

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Come on - that is like your Mom telling you not to cross the street, and when you disobey and get hit by a car do you blame your Mom? Did God tell us not to live in certain location? No. Do we know there are problem living in certain locations? Yes. Should we blame God because we live in a location that happens to be dangerous? No! Is God stopping us from improving our situation? No! If you want to live in one of the known danger zone then be prepared for what will happen.

Come on! God is omnipotent, he could have created a world where a bullet goes straight through you or when a car hits you it bounces off you. He created a world were life depends on death, where you can be smashed to smithereens by a car, burn, blown up and cut to pieces in the most agonizing way. Hell, don't let me get onto the mental torture of existance.

Of course, I don't believe god exists and if he did, I most certainly wouldn't believe he was 'love'. Anyway, an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent god is really a logical impossibility, but hey, if you believe in god, logic has been flushed down the toilet anyway.

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 11/20/2007 10:37:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

If the Bible is the "Word of God" and the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" is a statement of fact as God's commandment; why is it that many "Act's of God" such as earthquakes, tornadoes, tsunamis, hurricanes, etc; kill?

if he did not kill than there would be a lot more people on this little earth. personally i think we he makes laws he does not want to follow them himself.

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 11/20/2007 2:01:35 PM

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I know this thread is 2+ years old, but...what the hell! Nothing wrong with making all things new again!

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Come on! God is omnipotent, he could have created a world where a bullet goes straight through you or when a car hits you it bounces off you. He created a world were life depends on death, where you can be smashed to smithereens by a car, burn, blown up and cut to pieces in the most agonizing way. Hell, don't let me get onto the mental torture of existance.

He did make a world where there would be no harm. It was the Garden of Eden. As the lore is passed down (via the Bible), there was but one instruction, and that was to not eat the fruit of the Tree . Along comes Lucifer in the form of a snake to tempt the woman by accusing that God was witholding Knowledge and that eating of the tree would make them equal to God. Eve fell for it and then Adam joined her. They failed the test and punishment ensued. It is said that originally there was direct communion (communication) with God. That communication was cut off. They were cast out of the garden and had to make their way in an environment that was no longer protected. God did not deliberately cause the anguish and pain (well, yes, a couple of times He did!) , but He did allow it to occur in the form of natural consequences. Until such time as "He so loved the world that he gave them His only Begotten Son" through which he offers reconciliation with Himself and the reward for that reconciliation when it is time to move from this word and to the next. Thus we continue the history with the addition now of that reconciliation to God through the death and resurrection of His Son. That would be the New Testament and the story of Jesus Christ. The Old Testament, however, is full of the prophesies of the coming of this Messiah and the purpose of the Messiah. It was a historical promise that Christians believe was fulfilled. And if God kept that promise, then why would any of us assume that He would not keep the rest? There is much more to all that, but I will stop here

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Of course, I don't believe god exists and if he did, I most certainly wouldn't believe he was 'love'. Anyway, an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent god is really a logical impossibility, but hey, if you believe in god, logic has been flushed down the toilet anyway.

Many people don't. Belief in the Divine is a matter of faith...it is not a matter of logic. And taken in the entire context of how this all came down, God is a God of Love. Some believe and say that he is not a God of Love and, in spite of their basic belief, they rail against God. Others don't believe at all. I am quite logical, but I can easily separate things of this world and something more beyond this world. It is a natural occurence with the advancement of the world to fall away from a belief in God. Especially given the condition of the world today. But this is not visited upon us by God. It is of our own making and God simply lets it happen.
Many do believe, and it is a matter of faith. I do not have a problem with it. It is a natual as breathing to Me. If I am wrong, I guess I will never know. If you are wrong, then you will (eventually) find out!

But I see many non-believers struggle more than they need to with life and I often think that a little faith and a confidence that this is not necessarily all that there is could go a long way toward improving their daily life and mindset. It is always up to them to seek and decide...for or against.
Acts of God are not really Acts of God. They are called that so as to limit human liability in certain areas, mainly natural disasters. Those Acts of God went by the wayside after Sodom and Gomorrah and the Great Flood. He promised no more...There are natural things that are more limited in scope, such as floods, volcanoes, earthquakes, etc. but they are not rained down by God. They are simply allowed. The rest of it....well, He just lets us do it to ourselves while He patiently waits on His own timetable.
All the above is My own opinion and belief system, of course. I am not trying to force My beliefs on anyone. Just answering meatcleaver's statement that God could have done something different. He seems to feel that since He didn't, that is enough to make the case for no belief. The viewpoint of many, and I will respect it. *shrug*
And it really is a shame that I feel a need to post this disclaimer. So maybe you (any reader) can look upon it as if I am telling a lovely story. And if you choose to enjoy it, good. If you choose to get angry about it, so be it.

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 11/20/2007 2:38:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

I know this thread is 2+ years old, but...what the hell! Nothing wrong with making all things new again!

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Come on! God is omnipotent, he could have created a world where a bullet goes straight through you or when a car hits you it bounces off you. He created a world were life depends on death, where you can be smashed to smithereens by a car, burn, blown up and cut to pieces in the most agonizing way. Hell, don't let me get onto the mental torture of existance.

He did make a world where there would be no harm. It was the Garden of Eden. As the lore is passed down (via the Bible), there was but one instruction, and that was to not eat the fruit of the Tree .

I can't tell if you are being ironic or really believe in fairy tales.

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 11/20/2007 10:32:02 PM

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For you it's a fairy tale. For Me it's a matter of faith.
I respect that you don't believe.
Perhaps you could do the same...

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