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RE: Machismo and BDSM - 10/11/2007 8:48:51 AM   
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BOB: I am, in almost every sense, a self-made man. 

I took what my mother gave me and what my studies on being born male had meant for others and like Siddhartha carved my own path through the wilderness of life. 




Sociologist Peter Karl says "many boys not understanding how they should act as men when they grow up. Their insecurity leads either to excessively macho behaviour or to them becoming totally helpless and allowing the women in their lives to organise everything."

"But does that please the ladies? No way. "The men become helpless and more like kids - and women are not interested in a man who acts like a big kid. They've lost their manhood and are no longer attractive."


either/or, both types as adults  are just plain yukky in disposition.

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RE: Machismo and BDSM - 10/11/2007 8:49:22 AM   
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I tend to agree that posturing comes off as insecure. But anyne can be guilty of that..the question is-why?

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RE: Machismo and BDSM - 10/11/2007 8:52:29 AM   
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Aw thankies LAT. I'd be happy to join under the following conditions:A flowing fountain of punkin flavored beer.A hunky dude to give me back massages.A cabana boy to bring me tropical fruity drinks with umbrellas in.(Hey this is fun, I like this place)Oh, and a source of heat because I am huddled in my bed with dog/cat under the covers with me. It is a whopping 52 in here LOL. So I slide into the land of frost bitten induced delusion, and become part of the Ranks of Romaine!! All Hail The Lett-us! Oh and I'd like to add some kind of food to my demand erm my request list.I think I have low blood sugar hysteria cuz I just keep typing. Either that or my fingers are trying to stay warm.

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RE: Machismo and BDSM - 10/11/2007 8:53:59 AM   
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Oh lawdy, look at all this drama. 

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RE: Machismo and BDSM - 10/11/2007 8:55:08 AM   
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Oh lawdy, look at all this drama. 


Yup, it's never in short supply wherever Bob is.

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RE: Machismo and BDSM - 10/11/2007 8:56:24 AM   
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Bob entertaining? Well, I somewhat agree, but how in all honesty can anyone find someone entertaining who...

-Continually contradicts his own personal and factual history
-Presents illogical and impractical thesis's on M/S
-Constantly tries to posture himself as an experienced BDSM leader despite the fact that his viewpoints reek of inexperience, stupidity and Internet fantasy clichés that are laughable in any real time experience.
-Supports and broadcasts the "One True Way", creating the misconception for people less experienced than Bob (if that is even possible) that there is in fact some kind of Bible we all adhere to be "true slaves" and "true masters"
-Judges and condemns lifestyle activities based on his own negative assumptions and generalizations with no real experience to support them
-Tries to present the misconception that there is, in fact, standardized definitions and standards for the labels used in individuals relationships
-Tries to reference historical fact that is, in fact, not historical fact in the least regarding the public scene to try and add some kind of creditability to his "One True Way-ism" with made up facts.
-Postures himself as a teacher and expert of BDSM despite the fact that he can provide absolutely no history or connection with any organizations or communities within the public scene.

Can any of us with a conscience truly find such a dangerous individual to be entertaining, given the huge scope of misconceptions and misinformation?

It is no more laughable than the members of the 1000 year old BDSM society of European lineage or the True Old Guard.

However, while these fakes and wannabes usually disappear completely when debunked, this particular individual persists. Perhaps out of loneliness and lack of any personal life? Maybe just spurred on by constant insecurities? Whatever the reasons, we are lucky to have individuals on these forums speaking up and challenging the idiotic pontifications.



ATM I'm leaning toward "lonely old codger who is nowhere *near* as bright as he thinks he is" … with maybe a bit of troll mixed in.

On the bright side, it is becoming increasingly amusing to watch his high-handed, yet totally clueless inability to deal with people debunking his “wisdom”.

It’s like watching a one-legged man in an arse-kicking competition.

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RE: Machismo and BDSM - 10/11/2007 9:06:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

I dont expect any answers. You will most likely pick one sentence from this post and try and fight back with some comment completely irrelevant to the onslaught of logic and questions. Or perhaps talk over me to the "general audience" in an attempt to defect the blows against your fail ego.



Rabbit, I'm no more responsible for your beliefs than I am responsible for changing them.

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Backing away from a pointless fight, Bob? I dont think so. There is nothing pointless about the questions, questions that should have answers.


... to you, Rabbit.

Which means what to me?

Which means what to those I seek?

It is manifestly obvious that whomever I seek will not be thinking as you do.

I am not, to your amusement, about to go through the archives refuting every misrepresentation that comes along. Why should I waste my time when whomever I seek will do a thorough job of scrutinizing me because it will matter to her to do so?

Rabbit, these are just words. I know who I am, and none of your words changes that.

That you and your friends keep jumping up and down claiming this matters is not my problem.

But I'd be less than honest to say I mind.

Who else around here has 10-15 people tagging along behind him saying 'Look! Look!'?

After all, if I feared the scrutiny, would I be dumb enough to post?








Why are you the only one on the Internet who doesnt feel it necessary to defend his written word and provide clarification? What makes you so holy that everyone must simply take what you say at face value and not question it?

There is no backing away from a pointless fight in this thread or any in the past Bob. All I see is you taking the only option you can. Cowardice and retreat in face of challenge to your fraudery and lies.



I can not say I blame you, Bob. To go through the archives and correct every single peice of misinformation, contradiction, and inconsistency would be impossible as there is too many. It is impossible to fix all the flaws and issues in your ficitious representation of yourself that you have created to sway people into beleiving you are some "Prophet" of BDSM.

You dont feel responsible to provide clarification?
You dont feel responsible to respond to very simple and obvious questions?
You dont feel responsible to verify and defend the information you have presented here?

You have pointed out that there is a "general audience" reading these forums, Bob, that goes beyond just me. You claim to speak to this general audience. You claim to speak for the general audience. You claim to be a writer. As a writer, do you not find it important to present legit information to your readers?

You may know you, Bob, but the rest of us dont. What is so wrong with simply asking questions and wanting answers? Do you find yourself to be above answers, above clarification, above verification?

How can anyone take a writer seriously who does not feel the need to defend and clarfiy the things that are written?

I personally am welcome to questions and probes into what I present here. I realize that this is the Internet and no one should take what is written at face value.

It is shame you do not feel the same. Some form of inflated sense of security and not need to prove one's self? Perhaps. A way to cover up and avoid exposure to a fraud and deception? I would say that is most likely.

You say you dont fear the scrutiny, Bob, but you shy away and run away from it constantly

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RE: Machismo and BDSM - 10/11/2007 9:08:43 AM   
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I personally am welcome to probes


We finally get to the meat of bdsm....lol.

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RE: Machismo and BDSM - 10/11/2007 9:10:28 AM   
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You can probe me anytime, Mist

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RE: Machismo and BDSM - 10/11/2007 9:11:40 AM   
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WooHOOO!!! But um....er....you have it backwards.....can we do it in reverse?

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RE: Machismo and BDSM - 10/11/2007 9:13:23 AM   
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I prefer it that way, but my one line witty comment wont have worked in that context.

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RE: Machismo and BDSM - 10/11/2007 9:24:23 AM   
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I prefer to not think of myself as his 'audience'. 

What does he want? applause after a bowel movement too?

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RE: Machismo and BDSM - 10/11/2007 9:53:19 AM   
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Thanks to all who contributed on-topic material for this thread.

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RE: Machismo and BDSM - 10/11/2007 9:53:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Sex with Rabbit has always been part of the prize


So... what are the rules of competition and how does one go about winning?

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RE: Machismo and BDSM - 10/11/2007 1:32:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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...what you have failed to notice is that my post, and those of many of the above you mention, did not engage in a personal attack on Bob.  My first post to him was...I thought and according to some of the email I have received, others did also...a differing and well-stated point of view from his "machismo is for the insecure and those males lacking in intelligence and I just don't understand why it appeals to some women...My way of not engaging in male 'rooster' displays is much more culturally refined and indicative of intelligence"



I am curious, CD.

Is the invention of a quote a "personal attack"?

Do you need to invent quotes that never existed?

Do you prefer to deal with words you wish I'd said, rather than what I've actually said?


Let me indulge your curiosity then, Bob.  Perhaps I used the quotation marks in a wrong fashion because, in all actuality, I paraphrased your stated beliefs.  Care to show me that your thoughts expressed on this thread do not measure up or match up...your choice...to my paraphrase of your words?

As for dealing with words I wished you had said...I did deal with them in my first post on this subject and have received no matching reply of any sort...whether it be in a debate fashion or a discussion fashion. 

Interesting though that the posts of mine...and others....that you do choose to answer are either those that call you to task or those who state things from a point of view that either does not challenge yours or that are simply a recitation of how they see machismo---as long as it is not a deliberate disagreement with yours.

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RE: Machismo and BDSM - 10/11/2007 1:43:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin
Either way, you've lost the contest when you issued the challenge.


Wow, and here I thought that these were discussions.....I never realized they were contests. What's the prize?


Maybe a trophy that says "Twue Master" or "Twue slave".


Oh screw that....if there is no chocolate to be had I'm not interested. Now, if the trophy was filled with chocolate..........


Chocolate-coated Rocky Mountain Oysters? 

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RE: Machismo and BDSM - 10/11/2007 2:44:19 PM   
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Thanks to all who contributed on-topic material for this thread.


and Thanks to all who contributed off-topic materiall for this thread.

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RE: Machismo and BDSM - 10/11/2007 2:52:41 PM   
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Ok so I'm not going to read all this absolute bickering garbage to answer the question..sorry....

I don't agree that all "macho" is immaturity.  If it's done to hide one's emotions, then that's an issue I can't deal with.  Men that believe that they can't have and express emotions need counseling not sex with me.  However, men that exude confidence and carry themselves a certain way are sensual and speak to the submissive side of me.  Whether we call that "macho" or something else, I don't know, as always opinions/definitions will vary.
CD you have always struck me as a very intelligent and respectful guy, but I'm willing to bet that even you have some very masculine type behaviors that you do that some might call "macho".

Now kids, less bickering and more sex.


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RE: Machismo and BDSM - 10/11/2007 3:02:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

I dont expect any answers. You will most likely pick one sentence from this post and try and fight back with some comment completely irrelevant to the onslaught of logic and questions. Or perhaps talk over me to the "general audience" in an attempt to defect the blows against your fail ego.



Rabbit, I'm no more responsible for your beliefs than I am responsible for changing them.

quote:


Backing away from a pointless fight, Bob? I dont think so. There is nothing pointless about the questions, questions that should have answers.


... to you, Rabbit.

Which means what to me?

Which means what to those I seek?

It is manifestly obvious that whomever I seek will not be thinking as you do.

I am not, to your amusement, about to go through the archives refuting every misrepresentation that comes along. Why should I waste my time when whomever I seek will do a thorough job of scrutinizing me because it will matter to her to do so?

Rabbit, these are just words. I know who I am, and none of your words changes that.

That you and your friends keep jumping up and down claiming this matters is not my problem.

But I'd be less than honest to say I mind.

Who else around here has 10-15 people tagging along behind him saying 'Look! Look!'?

After all, if I feared the scrutiny, would I be dumb enough to post?







quote:


Why are you the only one on the Internet who doesnt feel it necessary to defend his written word and provide clarification? What makes you so holy that everyone must simply take what you say at face value and not question it?

There is no backing away from a pointless fight in this thread or any in the past Bob. All I see is you taking the only option you can. Cowardice and retreat in face of challenge to your fraudery and lies.



I can not say I blame you, Bob. To go through the archives and correct every single peice of misinformation, contradiction, and inconsistency would be impossible as there is too many. It is impossible to fix all the flaws and issues in your ficitious representation of yourself that you have created to sway people into beleiving you are some "Prophet" of BDSM.

You dont feel responsible to provide clarification?
You dont feel responsible to respond to very simple and obvious questions?
You dont feel responsible to verify and defend the information you have presented here?

You have pointed out that there is a "general audience" reading these forums, Bob, that goes beyond just me. You claim to speak to this general audience. You claim to speak for the general audience. You claim to be a writer. As a writer, do you not find it important to present legit information to your readers?

You may know you, Bob, but the rest of us dont. What is so wrong with simply asking questions and wanting answers? Do you find yourself to be above answers, above clarification, above verification?

How can anyone take a writer seriously who does not feel the need to defend and clarfiy the things that are written?

I personally am welcome to questions and probes into what I present here. I realize that this is the Internet and no one should take what is written at face value.

It is shame you do not feel the same. Some form of inflated sense of security and not need to prove one's self? Perhaps. A way to cover up and avoid exposure to a fraud and deception? I would say that is most likely.

You say you dont fear the scrutiny, Bob, but you shy away and run away from it constantly


Haven't you noticed, Rabbit?

All the misrepresentations about me come without links so people can go read it for themselves.

If you wish to have me scrutinized, why not provide people with the proof to your claims?

I've no objection to anyone going back through the archives and reading what I've said, in the context of the discussions in which I've participated.

But I will not bore this board with endless rehashing of what I said to satisfy a small group of users.

You want to comment on something I've said, post a response to it in the thread where it occurred. Let everyone scrutinize what I've said.

Or would you prefer they take your word for it and let you do their thinking for them?

< Message edited by Bobkgin -- 10/11/2007 3:08:10 PM >


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RE: Machismo and BDSM - 10/11/2007 3:13:24 PM   
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Or would you prefer they take your word for it and let you do their thinking for them?


I don't know if he prefers that people take is word on it.... but... I will take his word on it.

SOOOOOOOOO much easier to take his word than go back and read the drivel that Rabbit has subjected himself.

One can obviously see that reading the drivel has had it's affect on him...

Once he was just Silly Rabbit... NOW.. He's fucking Crazy!!!

Crazy Rabbit.... you really need to stop trying to find the corner in bobbykins round world.

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