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RE: who works out - 11/6/2007 8:50:43 PM   
Najakcharmer


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working out makes you feel better and improves my life, if anyone would like to talk about workouts feel free to contact me its something I find positive and enjoy talking about, take care 


I lift, and do a cyclic low carb diet.  My aim is to increase lean body mass (eg, gain muscle).  Irt's always motivational to make new buddies to chat with on the subject.

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RE: who works out - 11/6/2007 9:20:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		     I work out in the gym four days a week, do cardio as well and try to watch what I eat. It's tough to stay in shape as the years go by. Now it takes work. My little girl joined a gym a few months ago. She's doing great and that motivated Me to kick up My training a notch or two. I have two things to confess on the subject...
#1: I absolutely LOVE the soreness in the muscles the day after a good workout. I'm addicted to it.
#2: I find it very hot to talk to My little girl about our workouts. We don't workout in the same gym so she tells Me about her workouts later. Anyone else find it sexy to talk about it with your mate?
Am I strange? I certainly hope so.

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RE: who works out - 11/6/2007 9:40:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's a piece I wrote on BDSM and working out, in response to a post to a local mailing list.

"I've noticed several ways in which exercise resembles BDSM. [...] If you know where to look, you can find dominance, intense physical sensations, a bottom's headspace, fetishism, and exhibitionism."- elfin 

My experience seems to be from a slightly different perspective, but it could also be compared to BDSM. Exercise and weight lifting is a very important part of my life.  When I force myself to endure more and more and more, when I exert my strength to the utmost in order to get those last reps, I start snarling and growling aggressively.  It is as if I am pitting myself against a dangerous and worthy foe.  That opponent is myself, my own physical limitations that I continue to struggle mightily against. Pain is weakness leaving the body.  I bathe every muscle in that tempering fire to make me stronger.  It forges me into a keener blade for battle, so that next time I may fight even more savagely against a worthier foe.  The soreness after a workout says to me: you are a warrior, you fought hard and well, you endured past the limits of endurance.  Here is your badge of courage.

Sometimes I watch myself in the mirror to check my form.  Depending on my mood, it can be inspiring in more than one way.  I see my worthy old foe there, the physical body that I am struggling to force into the mold that my iron will demands and my weak flesh continues to passively resist.  I bare my teeth and show my enemy that I am a challenger to be reckoned with.  Then I get down to the savage business of breaking my opponent down with the heavy iron, rep by rep by rep.  The body in the mirror is a mere subject I regard with contempt, controlling it with my will and punishing it repeatedly for its deviations from the perfect form that is my goal.

Sometimes the person in the mirror is my friend, my companion in iron.  Another sweaty, snarling animal is suffering alongside me in a companionable way.  Check that form and smile a little through the pain.  You're not alone.Sometimes it's just me in the mirror.  I nitpick and criticize a little, want to take off a little here and add a little there, but secretly I'm pleased with the progress I see.  It's not nearly fast enough of course, but it's coming along.  I am a work in progress.  Look at those muscles coming through, shining with honest, hard earned sweat, and admire a little.  Hey, that looks good.  I look pretty tough.  Let's do a few more reps to even better effect.

Fetishism?  I worship the iron.  I live in the weight room.  A long black bench is the foremost shrine in this holy temple.  I lie down on it like a willing sacrifice to the old gods. Just saying the word "reps" to me gets my juices flowing, makes the adrenaline start to run.  Call it an addiction.  I want to work out.

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RE: who works out - 11/7/2007 3:10:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree when your in the right space and your focus is right you can get a huge endorfine rush, I feel bad when I dont work out and loose sleep. I dont work out to get big but to get good definition, I want to be ripped but not huge. I want working muscle, right now I do alot of upper chest, shoulder (delt) back and ab work and just the basic's with the legs because when my legs get too big my pants dont fit my ass! I dont do much with bi's or tri's because we do exercises that work more than one muscle group at a time and normally working them is too much along with the other exercises even when we split it up in to different days, today we did incline benchs, pulldowns, sitting rows and reverse butterflys tomorrow will be abs, legs and cardio or whatever we throw in, when Im at home it depends on what I feel like doing. Our sets are 10 reps 5 times with only as much rest time as it takes to get to the next machine, you do end up slowing down in the end. We have been throwing in at the end some extra inclines except we cut our weight down to just under half our work out weight and do 3 - 5 sets as fast as we can it causes those delts to burn like hell but when you can see each one its worth it 

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RE: who works out - 11/7/2007 3:34:26 PM   
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    Love working out - it keeps me sane , and happy with my body .  Also let's me indulge in those yummy obscene desserts every now and then - with no guilt whatsoever !
 
6-7 days a week , I alternate or combine -  long walks , running , bicycling ,  Total gym  ,  yoga , kayakking , and  Trikke-ing   ( trikke.com - if you're not sure what that is ) .    I love feeling fit and strong !  And nothing tastes as good as fitness looks and feels .  
      Also provides plenty of stamina for treating my subs as they need and deserve  !   

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RE: who works out - 11/8/2007 1:03:23 PM   
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I dont do much with bi's or tri's because we do exercises that work more than one muscle group at a time and normally working them is too much along with the other exercises even when we split it up in to different days,


Smart.  Squatting and deadlifting builds big guns as well as functional strength.  Curls alone don't. 

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Our sets are 10 reps 5 times with only as much rest time as it takes to get to the next machine, you do end up slowing down in the end.


Muscles do require re-oxygenation and glycogen replenishment between sets, or else they can't work as hard.  If your goal is to do something like drop sets, pyramids or "running the rack" you can cut down on rest periods, but as a frequent strategy it's going to detract from the intensity level at which you'll be able to do work sets. 

You can get around this to some degree using forced breathing (Arnold Schwarzenegger uses actual oxygen) and a 4 to 1 high glycemic index carb to fast digesting protein ratio drink during your workout for optimum glycogen refuelling, but if you're doing heavy full body stuff (like squats or deads) you better stick to breathing cuz anything that goes down will probably come back up. 

I sometimes use maltodextrin in the form of Smarties candy during a workout if I'm low enough on the ketogenic cycle that I don't have sufficient glycogen replenishment in the muscles going on by way of liver glycogen stores.  Again, wouldn't go there during an ultra heavy workout, but if I'm on the low end of a ketogenic cycle then by definition I'm probably not doing a balls-to-the-wall heavy full body workout anyway. 

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RE: who works out - 11/8/2007 2:59:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I use Muscletech protien for breakfast and and then again an hour before my work out and my work out as well as leukic to keep me anabolic, mega men multi's and aminos and fish oil, glutamine and sometimes a anti-catabolic fat burner or cayenne pouder to up my body heat to burn more caleries when Im at a peak I use NO-Explode to get over it, i dont much like the other oxides. that works best for me, I do machine squats but no dead lifts, I have to use strict form or have support for my spine my muscles can take it but my cartilage cant, I damaged my C5 - T1 and some of my lumbars about 10 years ago, I normally dont burn out during workouts but instead get a GH high and bounce around for an hour afterwards and when I come down from that I drink a Diet No-Fear which is about 20 calories, those light reps we finnish with we normally do 50 per set which is near failure by the end and thats where your body produces more GH but that depends on what you read theres different opinions on it. I dont really do drop sets or pyramids and I only stretch a little to warm up I do stretch after and I dont do any cardio before because it does deplete the glycogen levels and I cant finnish my work outs, when you dont rest between sets its like a cardio work out because your heart starts pounding, and your right you cant do your max weight but maybe 3/4 of it and I get a better pump doing it like that rather than full weight, I dont even know what that would be when my work outs get easier i bump up my weight on each side until its hard to finnish my sets its normally a five or 10 pound bump per side about every other month or every 3 depending on how often I have made it to the gym, Everyones different and have to do what works best for you, I do have Arnalds Encyclopedia and a book " Strength Training Anotomy" by Frederic Delavier which gives good illistrations of the muscles worked per exercize and just pick and choose which ones work the muscles I want, I also read muscle and fitness and a few sites online which give good advice and then do what works for me, I do every so often work those lil rotator cuff muscles with dumbells because I end up with shoulder pain if I dont but thats just thrown in after the pain starts.

I was explaining to my gym partner that you compaired it to BDSM and your right! you have to be a  satomasicist to really enjoy it and it takes a lot of dedication to go every day

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RE: who works out - 11/8/2007 5:43:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't work out as much as I want too... I walk all over campus everyday though and end it by running the 80 steps to my car.  I park on the fourth floor on purpose to ensure I get that.  Also do tkd twice a week, and dance at least once.  *sigh*  I'm disapointed in myself that I am not getting more activity in.  What I really want to do is some "fun" activity like climb a rock wall or somethin. ^^

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RE: who works out - 11/8/2007 5:51:57 PM   
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I use Muscletech protien for breakfast and and then again an hour before my work out and my work out as well as leukic to keep me anabolic, mega men multi's and aminos and fish oil, glutamine and sometimes a anti-catabolic fat burner or cayenne pouder to up my body heat to burn more caleries


Muscle Milk is on sale right now at GNC, just went home with a tub of Chocolate Mint and a tub of Mocha Joe.  Highly recommended for meal replacement on a bulking cycle.  Not the ideal postworkout shake (I use Isopure with dextrose for that) but a useful thing to have on the shelf, and absolutely delicious too.

Thermogenics can help a bit, but research suggests that the dosages you need to be effective are pretty scorching.  Still if you're a hot sauce fan it's worth a go, and hot sauce certainly does make plain tuna taste less like crap.

Tried ECA stacking? (Ephedra-Caffiene-Aspirin)?  By definition a fat-burner is catabolic, but I assume what you're talking about is a compound that tries to minimize lean body mass loss while maximizing fat burning.  Which is of dubious value compared to just knowing what the hell you're doing with the timing and macronutrient ratios of eating and working out.

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when I come down from that I drink a Diet No-Fear which is about 20 calories


Immediately postworkout you do need carbs and protein on a fast track uptake, which means in a quickly digestible form with no fat.  You have a limited time window to pushing glycogen back to your muscles on the resulting insulin spike.  A diet drink is not a good PWO beverage unless it's followed by a carb-protein shake.

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those light reps we finnish with we normally do 50 per set which is near failure by the end and thats where your body produces more GH but that depends on what you read theres different opinions on it.


Yeah, I'm one of the differing opinions that says low weights high reps is just thinly disguised cardio.  LOL


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I only stretch a little to warm up I do stretch after and I dont do any cardio before because it does deplete the glycogen levels and I cant finnish my work outs


I usually do 5-8 minutes of interval cardio, then stretch for another 5-8 minutes, then commence lifting.  If you're low carbing, you might try targeting some more carbs right around workout times to replenish glycogen better.

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i bump up my weight on each side until its hard to finnish my sets its normally a five or 10 pound bump per side about every other month or every 3 depending on how often I have made it to the gym


That's actually damn good!

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I was explaining to my gym partner that you compaired it to BDSM and your right! you have to be a  satomasicist to really enjoy it and it takes a lot of dedication to go every day


Working out every day without rest days is generally a bad idea unless you're on anabolic steroids, as the natural body doesn't have the ability to recover and grow from that much of a workload. 

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RE: who works out - 11/8/2007 6:03:06 PM   
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In the past i was a tennis pro and worked out a lot, which is probably why my joints have lost their cartilege. 

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RE: who works out - 11/9/2007 2:24:23 PM   
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Working out can ruin joint cartilidge?


A lot of things can damage joint cartilage.  Working out with bad form can certainly cause injury.  If you're referring to a degenerative condition of the cartilage, that's more systemic than traumatic. 

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RE: who works out - 11/9/2007 4:41:32 PM   
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for fun and what do you do and how often

I work out with weights and do cardio. I work out to keep in shape and to help with back issues but really enjoy the rush I get from a good work out.
I work out from 4 - 6 times a week sometimes 2 times a day depending on my mid day work out.
work outs can include walks, any cardio, weights, ect.  


I walk three miles a day. I run 2 1/2 miles. I lift weights about every other day. I do deep stretches and yoga breathing. I balance train.

When at my Daddy's we walk in dry sand with no shoes. He takes me to his gym too. We have talked about doing yoga together. He is an avid dancer, and I would like to become more involved with this also.

I love to hike and I want to learn to rock climbs.

I am in the best shape of my life.

Edited to add: I shadow box too

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RE: who works out - 11/9/2007 9:19:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		 Najakcharmer- I do drink a shake after my workout I just left out the word after I should have reread my post and there is normally toast left over in the kitchen where I work so I munch about 4 pieces of that as well, shakes only fill me up so much. I dont always stay at work sometimes my job takes me away for the day so i dont work out every day but make up work outs at home I get normally 4 days on and 3 off unless i need to work out during a long weekend i do take time off and weekends I dont always have time to really pound the weights but do warm up a little with them. I dont drink as much protien as im supposed to just enough to maintain and loose just a little. Im 5 7 and 200 lbs that would be a lot of protien pouder! and it makes me too bulky I start to loose too much definition when I bulk up, I could stand to loose 20 lbs around the gut but that would be really hard to maintain and I would loose muscle in the long run I think. during the summers I do a lot of feild trips and dont get to the gym as much as i would like so I really have to hit it in the winter. I just started doing sitting rows one handed so im pretty sore toinght  but I think I have blasted them pretty well
Juliaoceania -  yoga is really good for you my brother does it im not alone so i cant focus that much attention on it and if I set or lay on the floor I can expect to get jumped on lol but I do stretch out a little bit I wear 5 lb weights on my ancles  a few days a week and Im always walking halls or out side so that helps when im not working my legs. I did it once for about 11 days and got so sore I had to take a week off lol  

Ive been looking online for a better place to get my products i just recieved a a new wish book with good prices, I go to GNC the first 2 weeks of the month when everythings on sale plus my card  brings down the prices a little but I was thinking about buying some things in bulk, I know 2 other people who are thinking the same thing so we may team up. there are only 3 regulars that are there when i workout including me so we have the run of the gym for the most part

Leukkic is supposed to bind to the receptors and keep them from sending out some signal that stops you from becoming catabolic ( best i can describe what it does its supposed to go hand in hand with Gakic but I dont like the way that makes me feel-- they claim you can stay anabolic for as long as you take it, hmmm dont know about that but I do feel it helps they have it at GNC check it out. I have never tryed ECA stacking but there is a lot of caffeen in No-Fear so I kinda do.  I have tryed different stacks but get better or the same results from just working hard, I tryed that nano-vapor and didnt like it much it made me tired during my work out I felt like I was flying but fizzled during the actual sets. i dont like hot sauce at all but like horse radish and cayanne pills but have learned to eat with them else it burns my belly

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RE: who works out - 11/9/2007 9:36:27 PM   
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I don't work out as much as I want too... I walk all over campus everyday though and end it by running the 80 steps to my car.  I park on the fourth floor on purpose to ensure I get that.  Also do tkd twice a week, and dance at least once.  *sigh*  I'm disapointed in myself that I am not getting more activity in.  What I really want to do is some "fun" activity like climb a rock wall or somethin. ^^

oct



you just have to do it and make it a habit, I really bum out when i pass up Ice cream or after I eat it ---I really love that stuff

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RE: who works out - 11/9/2007 9:54:41 PM   
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for fun and what do you do and how often

I work out with weights and do cardio. I work out to keep in shape and to help with back issues but really enjoy the rush I get from a good work out.
I work out from 4 - 6 times a week sometimes 2 times a day depending on my mid day work out.
work outs can include walks, any cardio, weights, ect.  


I lift--for power-- semi-competitively seven days a week and run--combination tread /track-- between 20-25 miles/week, with a combination 200-yard wind sprint /shuttles prolly twice a week at the local high school football field.

At the ripe ole' age of 43..... {Depending on what time of the day}I'm only 20 pounds off/away from a 405 pound bench press.



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RE: who works out - 11/10/2007 2:38:40 AM   
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RE: who works out - 11/10/2007 5:17:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		I hate working out. I just hate it. I do it at least five days a week but ugggghhhhh. Every second of it I hate (unless I'm in the woods / mountains hiking or at the beach walking). My body wants to be sedentary but now that I'm past 40, my body also wants to retain every single ounce of fat I ever thought about having.

I do cardio, pilates (Josef Pilates was a sadist, I just know it), some yoga (but I'm pretty clumsy), balance ball, weight training, circuit training, trampoline ... uhhh ... ok ... that trampoline is pretty fun. I am thinking about belly dancing - bought a belly dancing workout video but it is intimidating, I get lost in the girls' beauty, and find it difficult to pay attention to anything else.

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RE: who works out - 11/10/2007 5:46:47 AM   
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I use Muscletech protien for breakfast and and then again an hour before my work out and my work out as well as leukic to keep me anabolic, mega men multi's and aminos and fish oil, glutamine and sometimes a anti-catabolic fat burner or cayenne pouder to up my body heat to burn more caleries when Im at a peak I use NO-Explode to get over it, i dont much like the other oxides. that works best for me, I do machine squats but no dead lifts, I have to use strict form or have support for my spine my muscles can take it but my cartilage cant, I damaged my C5 - T1 and some of my lumbars about 10 years ago, I normally dont burn out during workouts but instead get a GH high and bounce around for an hour afterwards and when I come down from that I drink a Diet No-Fear which is about 20 calories, those light reps we finnish with we normally do 50 per set which is near failure by the end and thats where your body produces more GH but that depends on what you read theres different opinions on it. I dont really do drop sets or pyramids and I only stretch a little to warm up I do stretch after and I dont do any cardio before because it does deplete the glycogen levels and I cant finnish my work outs, when you dont rest between sets its like a cardio work out because your heart starts pounding, and your right you cant do your max weight but maybe 3/4 of it and I get a better pump doing it like that rather than full weight, I dont even know what that would be when my work outs get easier i bump up my weight on each side until its hard to finnish my sets its normally a five or 10 pound bump per side about every other month or every 3 depending on how often I have made it to the gym, Everyones different and have to do what works best for you, I do have Arnalds Encyclopedia and a book " Strength Training Anotomy" by Frederic Delavier which gives good illistrations of the muscles worked per exercize and just pick and choose which ones work the muscles I want, I also read muscle and fitness and a few sites online which give good advice and then do what works for me, I do every so often work those lil rotator cuff muscles with dumbells because I end up with shoulder pain if I dont but thats just thrown in after the pain starts.

I was explaining to my gym partner that you compaired it to BDSM and your right! you have to be a  satomasicist to really enjoy it and it takes a lot of dedication to go every day


No explode is good but I've found that my clients tend to have to use more over time to get the same result. It would be good to cycle out of it for a week or so every 4-6 weeks. You might want to try the Nano Vapor from Muscletech. I have found it is better than no explode and my workouts have actually been better since I switched over. If your really wanting something extreme try the new NO2 Black from MRI. Stack it with the new Black Powder also from MRI. I do believe you can only get Black Powder from GNC. It makes for one intense workout. There are afew other products I could recommend if you are interested. Just mail me on the other side.=]


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RE: who works out - 11/10/2007 6:56:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Majik - I havent tryed the NO2 - Black but Ill check it out, you do end up useing more and more No-Explode, I only use it till its gone and wait a couple months before using it again,

UtopianRanger - thats pretty good, Im not big on running or sprints would rather bike, ski or something like that, I dont do max weights because im afraid of hurting something but maybe someday

batshalom - I hear belly dancing is really good for you

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RE: who works out - 11/10/2007 11:05:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am a personal trainer, and I work out six times a week.  I usually do eight to ten hours of cardio, which includes running, kickboxing, cycling and step aerobics.  I just love the endorphin rush that I get from intense cardio.  I do a lower body split twice a week for weights and an upper body split twice a week. This is a great topic, and one of my tag lines is this one:

Heavier people who work out are fitter than thin people who don't.

Have a great day, and I am off to the gym soon.

Caitlin

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