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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/26/2007 7:25:23 AM

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probably three quarters of what was written in this thread was meaningless hogwash-by self appointed "masters".

I'll tell you what-I'll take you guys seriously-when your SUBS post about how well your theories work.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/26/2007 7:45:20 AM

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It always amazes me that self titled "super-geniuses" are always so narrow-minded.

That is a contradictio in terminis, TheC. Anyway, why do you speak in plural? As far as I am aware there is only me these past couple of centuries. I guess that you are not a convert either...

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ORIGINAL: TheChauvinist
I also find interesting that this thread as gone on and on over something that two guys can not even prove.

Proof? It has been proven that the Earth is the centre of the solar system and that the planets move in epicycles. (Actually that model is still valid, it is just that people are to lazy to use it; Keplerian formulae are so much easier.) Watch the X-files: "The proof is out there".
Actually my murdered friend was one of those transformed slaves. I have also referred to plenty of other evidence, but you did not pay attention, did you?

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Over conjecture.

Everything is conjecture. Hypotheses are judged by their predictive ability, but whatever that predictive ablity is, still any hypothesis and theory is merely conjecture.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/26/2007 7:49:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: TheChauvinist
It always amazes me that self titled "super-geniuses" are always so narrow-minded.

That is a contradictio in terminis, TheC. Anyway, why do you speak in plural? As far as I am aware there is only me these past couple of centuries. I guess that you are not a convert either...

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ORIGINAL: TheChauvinist
I also find interesting that this thread as gone on and on over something that two guys can not even prove.

Proof? It has been proven that the Earth is the centre of the solar system and that the planets move in epicycles. (Actually that model is still valid, it is just that people are to lazy to use it; Keplerian formulae are so much easier.) Watch the X-files: "The proof is out there".
Actually my murdered friend was one of those transformed slaves. I have also referred to plenty of other evidence, but you did not pay attention, did you?

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ORIGINAL: TheChauvinist
Over conjecture.

Everything is conjecture. Hypotheses are judged by their predictive ability, but whatever that predictive ablity is, still any hypothesis and theory is merely conjecture.

I'm still waiting for your sub to back you up.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/26/2007 7:59:49 AM

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I'm still waiting for your sub to back you up.

You ought to read the posts that SFM and I have made before you comment, RRafe. If you had, you would have noticed that we state that the identical destruction of the ego of a submissive results in a worthless husk and that to do so to a submissive is an abomination and a sacrilege.

And anyway I am too queasy to torture or to have someone torture a natural slave; nor do I have the necessary training to do so. Nor do I think that I am sufficiently dominant to take charge of such an incarnation of the Goddess of Slaves.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/26/2007 8:12:24 AM

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I'm still waiting for your sub to back you up.

You ought to read the posts that SFM and I have made before you comment, RRafe. If you had, you would have noticed that we state that the identical destruction of the ego of a submissive results in a worthless husk and that to do so to a submissive is an abomination and a sacrilege.

And anyway I am too queasy to torture or to have someone torture a natural slave; nor do I have the necessary training to do so. Nor do I think that I am sufficiently dominant to take charge of such an incarnation of the Goddess of Slaves.

It's good that you admit that-but I still don't have the impression that either of you have ever actually had slave flesh under your hands. Men who have been there speak in terms of personages-not metaphors.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/26/2007 8:12:41 AM

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The following is my experience and my views only.
Most of the details are left out of this post because it is too personal for me to slap onto a public board. Even though I don't technically know anyone here there are those I respect and like, so I am a wee bit concerned on how it would make me look to tell it all.

I was broken. Systemic brainwashing that lasted over 2 years. It was a methodical process that went on 24/7 with no respite. Yes, it was much harsher than what 99% would call 'breaking' I am aware of that but it gives me the ability to really understand what breaking a person entails. This wasn't a fun breaking nor a consentual breaking so that does play an enormous part in both the depth of it and my difficulty in overcoming it.

To be broken means to have had my 'self' expunged, every thing from my personal value system to how I relate to others. Being broken, left me with nothing original. All parts replaced.

Unable to ken whether I am thinking with my own mind or the process of thinking that was essentially implanted in my mind.

An inability to trust, not so much trust in others as it was a trust in myself. Was I acting/thinking on something because it was natural to me or was it due to the years of behaviour modification? When fully broken there is no way to tell.

I doubted every single move I made, I questioned the motivation behind it trying to see if it was 'me' or what was pushed into me. Every reaction to something meant I had to dig into myself and try to determine if that reaction was truly from me.

If you decide to go down the road of breaking someone, please remember the second part to it.
The rebuilding.

On the off chance anyone is interested in more of the story, I do have a link to a journal where I did my best to write it out. It's an ugly story and sorry there is no sex involved haha.

Dang this was not an easy post for me to write and I've been staring at my words for about half an hour debating whether or not to hit the 'ok' button lol.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/26/2007 8:37:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: RRafe
I still don't have the impression that either of you have ever actually had slave flesh under your hands.

I haven't, but I might have.

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Men who have been there speak in terms of personages-not metaphors.

The incarnations of the gods are very real, RRafe.

camille, I am sorry that you had to endure that heinous and damaging brainwashing procedure.

From what I understand, the transformation of a natural slave into an incarnation of the Goddess of Slaves happens in a moment. Preparations such as interviewing and other things may take several evenings. I have forgotten how long the torture is, but that may vary from a quarter of an hour to an evening of hard work by the torturers - and may not always be successful.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/26/2007 8:40:38 AM

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Thank you for the energy and effort it took to provide that insight. I have always noted you as more a gentle, sweet sort, and I am sorry if coming forward in response to this thread opened any old wounds that might best have remained closed.

What was done to you, and done to twistedkytten is an abomination, the utter abuse of something that is exquisitely beautiful and ought to be cherished on every level.

Be well.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/26/2007 8:43:30 AM

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Only a Sith speaks in absolutes.

I suppose I could try piglatin.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/26/2007 8:58:04 AM

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Riiiight, because the word of an anonymous online slave is that much more reliable and authentic than that of an anonymous online master? Right RRafe?

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/26/2007 9:02:45 AM

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Some wounds never do close. Some.. shouldn't close lest the cause of the wound be forgotten.
I don't dwell on it, but it has impacted every facet of my life. It isn't something one 'gets over', and I wish I could fully explain the details but that would take pages lol.

Suffice to say, shame based behaviour modification can be dangerous. Breaking someone is possible, and it too can be dangerous.

It can also be wonderful. To crack open the self, expose it to the light of day then take the time to rebuild as stronger and wiser.

Like so much in life intent and followthru are what really counts.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/26/2007 9:04:08 AM

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Camille thank you for sharing and I'm sorry that happened to you. We may not always have the same opinions on this forum, but you have always stuck me as an intelligent, caring and balanced woman. Obviously and thankfully you have found a way to get past this abuse.
Good luck to you,
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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/26/2007 9:05:33 AM

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

fr
probably three quarters of what was written in this thread was meaningless hogwash-by self appointed "masters".

I'll tell you what-I'll take you guys seriously-when your SUBS post about how well your theories work.

I generally don't reply to your posts because we have very different outlooks on D/s relationships (namely I want one; you don't) but since you seem to have missed the part where I said "I agree with SFM" I'll repeat it.

Granted we haven't met yet, but all things considered I've never been the type of person who rushes into relationships just to have somebody, nor did I ever think I would travel 12,000 miles to meet someone just to see if our relationship had a chance of working. I would assume that means he has 'mastered' me as far as he can without ever having touched my skin - even without any fear of punishment I still can't say no.

You don't know me from Eve but considering you asked for his girl to post you'll just have to take my word - you're the one who seems to think my word is bond here.

I'm going to be in Australia on the 23rd of November. Considering I'll have forgotten all about this by then, feel free to email me on the 30th and I won't spare a single detail.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/26/2007 9:23:50 AM

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Thanks laurell. Yanno.. as with anything that strongly shapes someones life you have two choices. Deal with it or let it consume you. Heh I guess I'm too stubborn to be consumed.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/26/2007 9:34:33 AM

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Well perseverance is a wonderful quality in and of itself. I can remember being at that crossroads of giving up or climbing back out of the hole myself, although not related to any specific attempt of "breaking", so I can somewhat understand.
good luck to you,
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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/26/2007 10:48:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: xoxi

I'm going to be in Australia on the 23rd of November.

just curious...does your Master not know your travel details?

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ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster

Heh, actually it's not. My slave is moving in on the 19th.

and though i am sure ya'll are aware of this...from my own personal experience...it would be wise to meet before you move in together...at least once...there is much you cannot be aware of through the computer and phone calls...and even meeting once or twice...but...tis your own choice to make...learning experiences, i call them...

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/26/2007 12:00:26 PM

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The following is my experience and my views only.
Most of the details are left out of this post because it is too personal for me to slap onto a public board. Even though I don't technically know anyone here there are those I respect and like, so I am a wee bit concerned on how it would make me look to tell it all.

Camille -

You are a brave lady, a class act, and there is no way I could possibly think any less of you for this post. No wonder I've enjoyed interacting with you so much - you are truly a lovely soul, and person of character.

I salute you -

Grace

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/26/2007 2:24:30 PM

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LOL no actually I'm the one who doesn't know them.

I leave on the 17th and arrive on the 19th. Which is in 23 days because I lose a day in the air due to time zones. Hahahaha can you tell I'm nervous, terrified, and excited?

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/26/2007 3:03:55 PM

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A slave is naturally resistant, a submissive is naturally yielding.

Honestly, this is incomprehensible. How do you come to this conclusion? Vanillas are naturally resistant as well. So are Dominants. Does that make them natural slaves in disguise?

John

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/26/2007 3:08:52 PM

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I am not going to explain it to you, Rover. Let it suffice that SFM is essentially correct according my models of the minds of the natural slave and of the natural submissive.

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