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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/26/2007 7:05:50 PM

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/26/2007 7:17:09 PM

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Here's another one:

Not in our Name. Another major organizer of peace rallies and anti-war effort. Founded largely by members of Revolutionary Communist Party (RCP).

ANSWER- though I linked to the page on them, I should point out was founded largely by members of the Worker's World Party (another communist organization).

Both of these organizations were formed shortly after 9/11 to protest our involvement in Afghanistan.

Now, are these communist founders simply using the war (and the peace movement) to demoralize our nation and further their agenda? I believe so. But it's possible they are truly interested in "peace." Personally, if that were the case, I think they should go protest war in Africa and the middle east.

I find it sad that those truly interested in pacifism are having their movement hijacked. And most don't know it.

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/26/2007 7:53:49 PM

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I really think this has went well.

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/26/2007 7:56:27 PM

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Umm... ok. Proof? I've already asked for you to show me some larger rallies not organized by groups with communist links/ties/whatever. No one, including you has been able to do that. I'd love to be wrong. But I'm not.

you have yet to prove communist ties or anything at al.

I hear ya, but still tenuous, you take a bridge too far....your position is that somehow communism will destroy america, is that it?

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/26/2007 8:06:45 PM

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I hear ya, but still tenuous, you take a bridge too far....your position is that somehow communism will destroy america, is that it?

Ummm... No. My position is that communism is still a subversive movement here in the States. *shrugs* I personally think that the more progressive elements don't have much of a chance of directly taking control in the short term. But they could very well demoralize us with their actions with the anti-war movement. They could also bide their time and continue to support and influence the left, which seeks for a more socialism. Socialism is simply another step along the way to communism, IMO.

Do you think that communist organizations truly want "peace?"

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/26/2007 8:11:23 PM

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you have yet to prove communist ties or anything at al.

Which groups do you deny have communist ties? Just denying that what I say constitutes proof isn't rebuttal. You need to explain why the information I gave wasn't enough for you. Which groups that I highlighted doesn't have communist ties, and what do you say to the fact that their founders are in fact communists?

Oh, I came up with another one. World Can't Wait. Founded by... you guessed it!! Communists! Of course, while they attend anti-war demonstrations, they tend to be more anti-Bush. I wonder if they'll disband when he's out of office?

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/26/2007 8:20:57 PM

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well, look here, I got no problem with your thoughts in the main.......whether or not I agree or disagree, but you just can't waltz out here and call these folks communists and try and rabble rouse a cause that just doesn't exist because you are counting on people being too fucking stupid to actually read the links. This is rather like the Iran thing about which we have heard much of late-------they have no WMD and aint got a chance of making them for the forseeable future but we gotta go in now in case they can.

Well, there was nothing in your links that intimated that these folks were communists which you proffered as some intimation that it was so.

Commies, or fags are not gonna ruin this country, it is chicken littles.

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/26/2007 8:29:58 PM

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well, look here, I got no problem with your thoughts in the main.......whether or not I agree or disagree, but you just can't waltz out here and call these folks communists

I called a spade a spade. I didn't "waltz" anywhere. This is all out in the open, for anyone to see. So I should shut it because it's "offensive" to call a communist a communist? Shall I call them something else so as to protect your/their feelings?

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and try and rabble rouse a cause that just doesn't exist

It's not a "cause". In case you weren't following the thread, joanus made fun of me for saying that communists were still active in the States. I responded that they financed and participated in peace rallies. Philo asked me for links. I don't know what you're arguing about.

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because you are counting on people being too fucking stupid to actually read the links.

Wrong. I hope they DO read them. They show quite clearly.

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This is rather like the Iran thing about which we have heard much of late-------they have no WMD and aint got a chance of making them for the forseeable future but we gotta go in now in case they can.

How is this in any way similar?

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Well, there was nothing in your links that intimated that these folks were communists which you proffered as some intimation that it was so.

Umm... what, other than they were founded by communists and still supported by them? Other than a few of them still celebrate known communists through the world, like Castro, Che, and others? Other than that one is actually the official news for a prominent communist group? What more would you like? If that's all ya got, goodnight!

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Commies, or fags are not gonna ruin this country, it is chicken littles.

Funny... I answered your direct question on this... and I stated that I never said they were going to ruin this country. So I'm not sure who you're debating, but it ain't me. And I've got no problems with homosexuals.

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/26/2007 8:41:43 PM

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OK, butterfly--------there is nothing that evinces communist in your links, you have nothing other than some ephemeral feeling about the way things aughtta be.

Sorry, I didn't know you were innocent.

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/26/2007 9:49:09 PM

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I read the list of links and it shows pretty clearly the involvement and leadership of Communists and Marxists in the modern Peace movement. There is no way you can say you read the Front Page article and it had nothing about communis*. Same goes for the last article about ANSWR. UFPJ's own website says that the American Communist Party is part of the steering commitee, you do have to go 2 clicks in to find it. You simply must not be telling the truth about reading them mnot. No real surprise there.

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/26/2007 10:46:00 PM

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Bush has close ties to Bin Laudin and is therefore a terrorist and the Republican party has close to ties to white supremicists and thus are all racists, course you probably know about the latter.

Oh, and as for Raygun winning the cold war, Kennen said of that thought "intrinsically silly and childish" which seems an apt description of the followers of Bush today.

And of course not a single answer to any of my rather simple questions but I guess one can't expect much from a high school education these days.

Its sad how cowardly many Republican's are, so terrified of the Muslim menace that they are ready to surrender the constitution, their rights, and god knows what else to a group who couldn't even beat France. Just seems so odd.

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/26/2007 11:07:50 PM

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I read the list of links and it shows pretty clearly the involvement and leadership of Communists and Marxists in the modern Peace movement. There is no way you can say you read the Front Page article and it had nothing about communis*. Same goes for the last article about ANSWR. UFPJ's own website says that the American Communist Party is part of the steering commitee, you do have to go 2 clicks in to find it. You simply must not be telling the truth about reading them mnot. No real surprise there.

God, it was starting to be a shoe in for people who don't know how to read, until you proffered an opinion, you are your own worst enemy.

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/26/2007 11:13:27 PM

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Yep Mnot, you and Real think so.

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/27/2007 6:14:56 AM

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And of course not a single answer to any of my rather simple questions but I guess one can't expect much from a high school education these days.

Pfft... vague is more like it.

How about some questions for you?

Please give the details for each instance where "the West" invaded, occupied or overthrew the government of the following countries...

Bahrain
Egypt
Jordan
Kuwait
Oman
Palestine
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Syria
Turkey
United Arab Emirates
Yemen

And just so we don't leave out any countries that occasionally get referred to as being part of "the Middle East", you can include...

Algeria
Azerbaijan
Armenia
Cyprus
Djibouti
Georgia
Somalia
Sudan
Tunisia

I'm giving you a break and assuming that everyone already has a decent idea of how Iran, Iraq, Lebanon and Libya might fall into your definitions.

Of course, as both the Middle East and the West have had varying definitions over time, I expect that you'll take that into consideration... as well as including all possible permutations of shifting borders and nomenclatures that have taken place during the course of history.

Now, if you don't answer these questions I'm going to declare that it's obvious that you can't and that you've been talking out your ass.

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/27/2007 7:00:41 AM

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Since my ass is brighter than your brain, the following are the ones that don't answer my question.

Oman
Turkey
Armenia
Cyprus

Smart people don't ask questions that make them look like fools and prove the other person's point.

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/27/2007 7:59:00 AM

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Since my ass is brighter than your brain...

lol... I doubt there are many who would disagree that you are a smartass.

But thank you for proving my point.

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/27/2007 8:03:22 AM

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Just denying that what I say constitutes proof isn't rebuttal.

You're not from around here, are you?

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/27/2007 8:12:38 AM

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Just denying that what I say constitutes proof isn't rebuttal.

You're not from around here, are you?

If she were she would know that Republicans are allergic to proof, evidence, and in most cases, the blatantly obvious.

Look at my little exchange above, somebody lists all the countries in the ME thinking that is somehow going to show how wrong I am, after showing how it proves my point, she concludes she won. I think that explains how they can watch FEMA propaganda and cheer it on as news.

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/27/2007 8:49:18 AM

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The single issue guys are the ones tagging along not visa versa. I wish it weren't so, because I dont' think that these communists groups preach peace.

....you say potato, i say...er..potato. Damn, typing leaves little scope for inflection, but you see what i mean. You have a position which is your right and duty. i have a position also that is different to yours. You take from the sites you linked to a certain set of data which is different to the data i take from it. Now, one of us is probably wrong but without the two of us going on the road and interviewing an awful lot of people we are unlikely to objectively be able to settle it here.
i do take issue though with your inference that protesting against the Iraq war is somehow about weakening the national identity of the USA. Arguably protesting such things is part of the USA's strength. Morale can not be based on falsehood, not if truth is our aim. Therefore such issues must be critically examined, and if it turns out that mistakes have been made they must be owned up to.

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RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... - 10/27/2007 9:32:48 AM

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Socialism is simply another step along the way to communism, IMO.

What do you call Bush's "No Child Gets Ahead" program of taking over local control of schools?

If that ain't "The March of Socialism", what is?

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