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-=TPE - no limits total submission, fact or fiction?=- - 11/11/2007 11:34:30 AM

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Posted by request.
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-=The End All of Limits =-
In line with reality, if I tell my slave to "fly" she will not be able to whether there are negotiated limits or not. However, a good slave once said, "with a running start, I can give you 2 seconds of flight".

There are no limits in TPE. Anything otherwise is semantic word games. As Master I am in control and I own my slave in the same way I own any property. My car does not negotiate limits with me when I ask it to turn left or stop, neither should my slave. My car has real life limitations like my slave. If I abuse it or push it past its' limits, it will break. However, I am smart and responsible enough not to abuse my property, living or otherwise. My car can't fly for more than a few seconds either by the way.

If "limits" are a concern to the point you feel you must mention or negotiate for them you are either not suited for TPE or poorly paired with someone you don't trust. Either way, "limits" should be a clue to both parties that something is amiss.
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I look forward to your replies and opinions on the realities of TPE. Please take note before you reply that M/s and D/s lifestyles are no more related than a submissive and a slave are. Neither is better than or comparable to each other. Pleas do not compare apples vs oranges in your reply.

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RE: -=TPE - no limits total submission, fact or fiction?=- - 11/11/2007 11:37:19 AM

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Oh shit.... and the day was starting out so nicely too

try doing a search on this before you get your throat cut

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RE: -=TPE - no limits total submission, fact or fiction?=- - 11/11/2007 11:40:59 AM

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Oh shit.... and the day was starting out so nicely too

try doing a search on this before you get your throat cut

But if he did THAT we'd miss out on fun responses like THIS one, that nearly got my computer monitor sprayed with the mountain dew I was drinking! ;)

To the OP...so, if I say that under no circumstances will I play with unmentionables, does this mean I'm not cut out for TPE?

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RE: -=TPE - no limits total submission, fact or fiction?=- - 11/11/2007 11:42:31 AM

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Oh shit.... and the day was starting out so nicely too

try doing a search on this before you get your throat cut

I was just responding to fellow forum members inquiries. True… I should have run a search first though. LMAO… let the flames fly.

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RE: -=TPE - no limits total submission, fact or fiction?=- - 11/11/2007 11:45:20 AM

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i think that's a very reasonable post. compatibility with your partner is good thing.

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RE: -=TPE - no limits total submission, fact or fiction?=- - 11/11/2007 11:53:01 AM

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To the OP...so, if I say that under no circumstances will I play with unmentionables, does this mean I'm not cut out for TPE?

Dear phedre81,For TPE as I know it, it is important to define the reality of the exchange. You said you “will” not do a certain thing. The reality of your statement is that your “will” supercedes mine. Sounds like D/s not TPE to me. Had your statement been posed in a submissive phrasing as a request, thus allowing me the power to choose, then it would have been TPE.

You may be a perfect match for “TPE” with someone less demanding than me. However, when I give/grant the wishes of my slave as I often do, it is at my will, not theirs.

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RE: -=TPE - no limits total submission, fact or fiction?=- - 11/11/2007 11:53:26 AM

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I love these "one true way" definitions that is supposed to work for everyone. This lifestyle isn't as black and white as some feel the need to see it a such, there are shades of grey.

What works for you is great but don't try to force your beliefs on others who don't share the same opinion and expect everyone to agree. Not everyone does things the same way.

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RE: -=TPE - no limits total submission, fact or fiction?=- - 11/11/2007 12:00:17 PM

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FR...
I despise playing "word chess" its boring and tiring. Most adults i deal with can speak plainly and not get all wrapped around the axle about how something is phrased.

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RE: -=TPE - no limits total submission, fact or fiction?=- - 11/11/2007 12:04:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

Posted by request.
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-=The End All of Limits =-
In line with reality, if I tell my slave to "fly" she will not be able to whether there are negotiated limits or not. However, a good slave once said, "with a running start, I can give you 2 seconds of flight".

There are no limits in TPE. Anything otherwise is semantic word games. As Master I am in control and I own my slave in the same way I own any property. My car does not negotiate limits with me when I ask it to turn left or stop, neither should my slave. My car has real life limitations like my slave. If I abuse it or push it past its' limits, it will break. However, I am smart and responsible enough not to abuse my property, living or otherwise. My car can't fly for more than a few seconds either by the way.

If "limits" are a concern to the point you feel you must mention or negotiate for them you are either not suited for TPE or poorly paired with someone you don't trust. Either way, "limits" should be a clue to both parties that something is amiss.
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I look forward to your replies and opinions on the realities of TPE. Please take note before you reply that M/s and D/s lifestyles are no more related than a submissive and a slave are. Neither is better than or comparable to each other. Pleas do not compare apples vs oranges in your reply.

I have no quarrel with your view of reality as long as everyone is consenting to whatever it is that they do, and I assume that this TPE slave is consenting, although it would seem as though someone that was totally owned would have no right to have even consent...

I understand that people believe they have TPE, it is their reality... I just do not understand why it is so important that the rest of us agree with their view of reality. I suppose in the final analysis, I just don't care. I have my life, other people have theirs... just be happy and live with joy.. no matter what you are doing or being.

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RE: -=TPE - no limits total submission, fact or fiction?=- - 11/11/2007 12:11:58 PM

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After reading your entire post, I agree. I can't say anything else because actually you really said it all.

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RE: -=TPE - no limits total submission, fact or fiction?=- - 11/11/2007 12:14:20 PM

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I think what I'm trying to say is that I believe EVERYONE has limits somewhere (and I know, it's dangerous around here to make an "everyone" statement), so I think TPE is just finding the right Master.

With someone I KNEW wouldn't require me to do certain things (such as engage in incest, ANY play with unmentionables, bestiality) I could say that I had no limits.

But its all semantics. Entering a relationship with someone whom you trust absolutely, and will not say no to, is not actually the same as NOT having limits.

IMNSHO. ;)

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RE: -=TPE - no limits total submission, fact or fiction?=- - 11/11/2007 12:15:36 PM

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I love these "one true way" definitions that is supposed to work for everyone. This lifestyle isn't as black and white as some feel the need to see it a such, there are shades of grey.

What works for you is great but don't try to force your beliefs on others who don't share the same opinion and expect everyone to agree. Not everyone does things the same way.

My post isn’t selling anything. This post is NOT about D/s vs M/s or the million styles and variations within it. It is about defining the reality of TPE in an M/s environment. Hence the reference to “2 seconds of flight”.

When people within the BDSM community compare “apples & oranges” claiming one is better than or leads to another. That’s like saying monogamy is the first step to polyfidelity or that submission has anything to do with slavery. It’s all good… just a matter of if you like apples or oranges.

However, the definition of TPE is not gray… Total Power Exchange is a simple term that is often misused. If you have been mislead as to the definition of TPE or confuse it with “fantasy slave role playing” in a D/s negotiated relationship, then you may not understand my post or the meaning of what is meant by “apples & oranges” because you have not “totally exchanged power”.

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RE: -=TPE - no limits total submission, fact or fiction?=- - 11/11/2007 12:17:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

Oh shit.... and the day was starting out so nicely too

try doing a search on this before you get your throat cut

But if he did THAT we'd miss out on fun responses like THIS one, that nearly got my computer monitor sprayed with the mountain dew I was drinking! ;)

To the OP...so, if I say that under no circumstances will I play with unmentionables, does this mean I'm not cut out for TPE?

For goodness sakes go back and read the entire post---especially quote:

If "limits" are a concern to the point you feel you must mention or negotiate for them you are either not suited for TPE or poorly paired with someone you don't trust.
Paired with the right partner I can not see where this would be an issue, your partner would already know that was not something you would care to indulge in.

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RE: -=TPE - no limits total submission, fact or fiction?=- - 11/11/2007 12:18:11 PM

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the key, (of course.) is finding someone with the same limits as you do, as well as the same interests.

Back when I was looking for a Master, I was talking to a gentleman, and the talk was going great til he mentioned that another girl he was talking to just turned 18, and that he was probably going to collar her. That turned me off big time! I know that 18 yr olds are legally adult. (they are here in Michigan.) and I have met quite a few that were very mature, it just squicked me out. (btw this happened a year ago, the Dom I was talking to was 41.) so with that, (and a few other details )I said thanks, but no thanks.

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RE: -=TPE - no limits total submission, fact or fiction?=- - 11/11/2007 12:19:24 PM

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I think what I'm trying to say is that I believe EVERYONE has limits somewhere (and I know, it's dangerous around here to make an "everyone" statement), so I think TPE is just finding the right Master.

With someone I KNEW wouldn't require me to do certain things (such as engage in incest, ANY play with unmentionables, bestiality) I could say that I had no limits.

But its all semantics. Entering a relationship with someone whom you trust absolutely, and will not say no to, is not actually the same as NOT having limits.

IMNSHO. ;)

I agree and trust is the point of the OP.

To me, successful TPE requires complete trust and commitment. It has to run both ways or neither will gain it. You must commit to both your role in the relationship and each other. If you are not committed to exchanging all physical, mental and emotional dynamics, then it isn't a total exchange is it?

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RE: -=TPE - no limits total submission, fact or fiction?=- - 11/11/2007 12:21:36 PM

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I think that the gray area lies in the fact that each TPE is going to be a little different. What one Dom requires of his sumbissive may not be what another Dom may require.

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RE: -=TPE - no limits total submission, fact or fiction?=- - 11/11/2007 12:25:38 PM

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Total submission...... yes I have that in my relationship with my Master. It goes BOTH ways.

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RE: -=TPE - no limits total submission, fact or fiction?=- - 11/11/2007 12:34:56 PM

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I have never understood the term Total Power Exchange. To me it is a misnomer. What exactly is being exchanged? Following the term literally, the slave is giving all their power to the master and the master is giving their power to the slave. Not sure how that sets one person up as having authority within the relationship.

Authority transfer works better and makes more sense to me. He has all the authority within the relationship. I transfer it all to him. He does not exchange any authority with me.

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RE: -=TPE - no limits total submission, fact or fiction?=- - 11/11/2007 12:35:38 PM

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"... I assume that this TPE slave is consenting, although it would seem as though someone that was totally owned would have no right to have even consent..."

Your life is the result of yoru choices. You always have a choice.

-=About Consent=-
It is a common mistake I see when a slave does not stand accountable for their choice to submit in the first place. They may feel “out of place” or otherwise start losing the feeling of being controlled. I believe this happens because they feel “held in place” by Master’s actions more than their own choices. In reality, a Master’s actions can only serve to remind a slave of her place.
Forced seduction and capture are a common romantic slave fantasy but, when the lines between the reality of their choices and that fantasy collide, they need to hold their place with Master and remain surrendered as they originally chose. Neither the surrender to Master nor choosing which Master to serve was forced. The slave needs to stand accountable for their choices. Misplacing blame or credit for surrender is emotionally abusive and should be sign that something is amiss.

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RE: -=TPE - no limits total submission, fact or fiction?=- - 11/11/2007 12:36:05 PM

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Total submission...... yes I have that in my relationship with my Master. It goes BOTH ways.

Maybe I am not understanding what you are saying, but how does "total submission" go both ways between you and your master?

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