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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/2/2007 5:28:38 PM   
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I just stated this on another thread here.
A Mistress that specializes in using strap-on's says she does not have sex with her subs.

Hello!
Strap on sex is sex folks.
   Sodomy is against the law in most states :o)~

I disagree with you - I never consider myself having sex with a submissive/slave if I am using  a strap-on; no matter how much pleasure and/or empowerment I feel while using one. The use of a strap-on to train a submissive can be erotically intoxicating but it is not SEX. 

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/2/2007 5:32:12 PM   
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Well, it is certainly sexual for me.
I would also think that the submissive with a big one in his
behind is also getting sexual pleasure.
As usual, to each their own on this topic.

I would also suggest you look up the standard definitions of sodomy.
People have been prosecuted for practicing sodomy when sticking all sorts of objects in an anus.
Placing any object in someone else's anus is sodomy, and yes most consider it a sexual act.

In its widest definition "sodomy" refers to anal penetration, oral sex, masturbation and paraphilia

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/2/2007 5:43:10 PM   
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Strap on sex is sex folks.


It certainly feels like sex to me on the receiving end.

And if it isn't sex, I like it anyway.

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/2/2007 6:14:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressDoMe

I just stated this on another thread here.
A Mistress that specializes in using strap-on's says she does not have sex with her subs.

Hello!
Strap on sex is sex folks.



I specialize in strap-on sex with Punk,who happens to be My submissive.

I dont however use them on other submissives.
Wait I made a submissive suck on one once...I guess that counts.
Does using a hand held vibrator on the tip of the submissives penis count as sex?
he doesnt get to cum he just gets to be tortured.


Edited to add: Each State has their own Laws as to
what is sex and what isnt.
For instance Maine has no laws against Sodomy.
Though just because the Government says it isnt sex doesnt mean everyone feels that way.



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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/2/2007 6:39:00 PM   
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I disagree!

A strap on does not have to penetrate, nor even stimulate, the person wearing it.  As this person, in this case, is me, I do not feel that I am having sex with someone. 


So you don't feel a male has sex unless he receives anal or gives oral?

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/2/2007 7:26:45 PM   
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Interesting thread so far.  I'll address a subtext that appeared:  getting fucked anally (whether au naturel or with a strap-on) versus paying taxes.  Hmmm.  The last time I paid my taxes, later that day a friend asked "how is your day going"?  I replied: "not so good, I just got fucked in the ass".  Sometimes ass fucking is sex and other times it isn't.  Gotta' love the ambiguities of our world. :-)

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/2/2007 7:55:29 PM   
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Singing, "Ooooooh, Strap-on Ladies sing this song, doodah, doodah.  She's got a strap-on nine miles long, all the doodah day."

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/2/2007 8:05:29 PM   
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But, 2 weeks later the IRS was knocking on my door asking for money.

Diane


taxes! yes, if they can't get you one way, they will get you another way.

did the undercover guy happen to mention why he waited until the 6th time before he tried to get You for prostitution?....lol

something tells me he did love what You were doing!



I know he was loving it. I always wondered why he didn't bust me the first time.

Diane


humm....so six sessions....what size did You work up to?  perhaps he saw BAM in Your collection, freaked and busted You thinking it was going to happen to him soon

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/2/2007 9:53:53 PM   
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Well,

Since the judge said it wasn't sex and legal, he probably will be back. He'll just have to take what you decide to give him, and like it too!

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/2/2007 10:16:20 PM   
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Strap on sex is sex folks.


Sounds more like masturbation to me. A strap on is an object, not a penis. How many people who use vibrators, dildos, or other toys think they are having sex? For the few male virgins out there determined to save sex for marriage, strap-ons are a perfect way to pleasure a woman while maintaining their virginity.

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/3/2007 2:01:53 AM   
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In our jurisdiction, the simple and useful definition of sexual penetration in the  Crimes Act is:

sexual penetration means-

(a) the introduction (to any extent) by a person of his penis into the
vagina, anus or mouth of another person, whether or not there is
emission of semen; or

(b) the introduction (to any extent) by a person of an object or a part of
his or her body (other than the penis) into the vagina or anus of
another person, other than in the course of a procedure carried out in
good faith for medical or hygienic purposes;

This usefully covers anal sex, oral sex and fisting as "sex" and I think that is right. The definition is used for the crime of rape and I am sure you will agree with me that rape is rape.......
there should be no defence for violating another human being anally or vaginally that you used an object such as a dildo

I doubt the Californian statute is much different (possibly even a wider definition is used).

However, I do think the SF judges know a bent cop full of BS when they see one.

Bent over nicely I am sure, Diane :)

BTW I think the defintion of "sex " is even wider than "sexual penetration".  Giving subs a hand job (known in the pro industry as "tie'n'tease"), queening and smothering (with the bare vagina) and "forcing" subs to wank all count as sex to me. 

But I realise that performing sex acts for money is prostitution and - bizarrely - prostitution is still illegal in most US states (unlike other OECD countries such as Australia, NZ and the UK) so the pretence "pro-dommes don't have sex" has to be maintained.

 No-one professional (in the US) would or should admit on a  board like this they are performing kinky sex acts and hence breaking the law.

What really puzzles me is why non-professional Dommes  also deny they are using subs for wild sexual gratification.  What else are the sweet boys for (if you get a really cute one in your evil clutches!!!!)? 

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/3/2007 2:44:59 AM   
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Being a lesbian for many years, penetration is not essential for me to consider something sex.  My definition is much, much broader.

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/3/2007 3:06:01 AM   
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"sex" - \'seks\  n. genital contact, esp. the insertion of the penis into the vagina followed by orgasm; coitus; copulation.

See also: A painful activity in which a man, using the stiffest and pointiest part of his pelvic region, repeatly stabs a female in her crotch until he feels satisfied, regardless of her level of enjoyment or fulfillment. Can include stars aligning, soul mates connecting, sweat that makes your eyes burn, charlie horses, and queefs!


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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/3/2007 4:47:31 AM   
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It's a bit graphic, but here's why I don't consider it sex:

Say, for example, I would chose to give Myself an orgasm using an insertable.  Just because I'm using a vibe or a dildo, that, to Me, is still masterbation.  I don't consider it sex, because whatever I'm using is still just an object.

Change the circumstances.  If someone else uses the same insertable on Me, it still isn't sex.  Just another person happens to be manipulating the same object for the same result.

Take that same object, make it external, rather than internal.  Add on a harness (just for arguement's sake).  It's still just an object giving Me pleasure.  Granted, I wouldn't get the same pleasure if someone wasn't on the receiving end, but We're still talking about an object here.  There's still no genital to genital contact.


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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/3/2007 4:56:07 AM   
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But in most states, inserting any object into someone else buttocks is considered a sexual act.


Also Sodomy is illegal in most states, and the law is unclear on wether it is legal or not when consentual. So your also commiting an illegal act, yet no goes running to the cops unless its rape. The point is a lot of laws are unclear, besides can you trust a government that can't clearly define the word "it". (WTF?)

Sex is only sex when there is a danger that someone could wined up pregnant.

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/3/2007 4:58:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MsCfromMelbourne

In our jurisdiction, the simple and useful definition of sexual penetration in the  Crimes Act is:

sexual penetration means-

(a) the introduction (to any extent) by a person of his penis into the
vagina, anus or mouth of another person, whether or not there is
emission of semen; or

(b) the introduction (to any extent) by a person of an object or a part of
his or her body (other than the penis) into the vagina or anus of
another person, other than in the course of a procedure carried out in
good faith for medical or hygienic purposes;

This usefully covers anal sex, oral sex and fisting as "sex" and I think that is right. The definition is used for the crime of rape and I am sure you will agree with me that rape is rape.......
there should be no defence for violating another human being anally or vaginally that you used an object such as a dildo

I doubt the Californian statute is much different (possibly even a wider definition is used).

However, I do think the SF judges know a bent cop full of BS when they see one.

Bent over nicely I am sure, Diane :)

BTW I think the defintion of "sex " is even wider than "sexual penetration".  Giving subs a hand job (known in the pro industry as "tie'n'tease"), queening and smothering (with the bare vagina) and "forcing" subs to wank all count as sex to me. 

But I realise that performing sex acts for money is prostitution and - bizarrely - prostitution is still illegal in most US states (unlike other OECD countries such as Australia, NZ and the UK) so the pretence "pro-dommes don't have sex" has to be maintained.

No-one professional (in the US) would or should admit on a  board like this they are performing kinky sex acts and hence breaking the law.

What really puzzles me is why non-professional Dommes  also deny they are using subs for wild sexual gratification.  What else are the sweet boys for (if you get a really cute one in your evil clutches!!!!)? 



Wonderful post MsC!
You have articulated what I feel in these situations SO much better than I ever have.

I have always felt that any contact with genitals is a form of sexual gratification, it may NOT be
penetration, but they are sexual activities to ME.
I remember a submissive that I had been talking to for a month or so, that "played" with a Dominant he had just met at his local dungeon.
To this day, he does not understand why I felt that the CBT activities/ strap on play in a hotel room were what I considered sexual activities, and why I was no longer interested in him.
Many here have "different" defintions of what I see as very clearly defined sexual activities.

For those that do NOT consider this a form of sexual activity, I ask THIS question.
Would you consider it cheating if your husband or boyfriend was out allowing a total stranger to
perform CBT on him, play with his balls, and insert a strap-on in his rectum, without your permission?
Would you REALLY be okay with this?

No one is touching my submissive's, my boyfriend, or my husband's, or even MY man's cock, balls, or rectum, without MY permission or my being there.
period

< Message edited by MzMia -- 12/3/2007 5:09:11 AM >


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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/3/2007 5:13:19 AM   
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Strap on sex is sex folks.


Sounds more like masturbation to me. A strap on is an object, not a penis. How many people who use vibrators, dildos, or other toys think they are having sex? For the few male virgins out there determined to save sex for marriage, strap-ons are a perfect way to pleasure a woman while maintaining their virginity.


What? Lesbians aren't having sex? They don't have penises.

That's like a girl saying "I've had lots of anal sex but never in the front door so I'm still pure and virginal".

I just don't buy it.

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/3/2007 5:14:44 AM   
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LadyPact, I agree with you it may or may not be sex.
As AFlyInYourWeb said, it sure feels like sex to him.
If a woman strapped on a big one and put it in my bum,
it sure would feel like sex to me also!
But in most people's book it is certainly sexual activity.
Blow jobs are not considered sex either.

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/3/2007 5:22:22 AM   
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If what it "feels like" is the definition of sex, then none of the sex I had with my ex-husband counts at all. Cuz it didn't feel like much of anything!

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/3/2007 5:33:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MzMia

LadyPact, I agree with you it may or may not be sex.
As AFlyInYourWeb said, it sure feels like sex to him.
If a woman strapped on a big one and put it in my bum,
it sure would feel like sex to me also!
But in most people's book it is certainly sexual activity.
Blow jobs are not considered sex either.


Hi MzMia...... Wonderful to see you this morning.
 
Yes, I realize My definition comes down to a matter of splitting hairs, but I attribute that to the difference between the words "sex" and "sexual".  While I don't argue for a moment that strap on play is sexual, I just don't give it the finite definition of sex.

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