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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/4/2007 10:45:28 AM

LadySeraphina

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I maintain that strap-on sex with my boys isn't sex, just as my fisting them isn't - not because I'm not using my genitals, but because it's an act of power, not even remotely about sexuality or physical pleasure for me. Much as the violent act of rape (not fantasy rape) is always described as being about power, not sex. Yes, I'll grant you, it can be about sex, and if I took on a femsub on a personal level, it likely would be, because I would be kissing, stroking, and fondling her. It would be about sex, not Just power for me. Certainly what I do is about sex for the recipient. I do love a double standard!

Semantics? Sure. But it keeps boys from thinking that they can cross that line in the sand. They aren't my partner, they can't share my bed, so we keep it at a distance.

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/4/2007 11:40:50 AM

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Rape is an act of power and most certainly is sex. It is about power and it is sex.

For those who keep saying "I don't get sexual pleasure from it," there are plenty of married women who give head and fake orgasms and it's still sex too. Just because sex isn't in your bed and doesn't end up all cuddly like doesn't mean it isn't sex.

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/4/2007 1:49:38 PM

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I really don't get how stuffing something into another person's ass or cunt could possibly not be sex. If I am doing it to myself, it is masturbation which is often referred to as "sex with yourself". If I am having anal sex, it clearly is SEX, and it doesn't make a difference to me whether it is with a dildo, a stap on, a cock or a freakin' champagne bottle. Even oral sex, which does not necesarily involve insertion of any kind, still has sex in its title. I get all kinds of reasons people might not define it this way, including professional Dommes not wanting to be slapped with prostitution. Others are welcome to their opinion, but to me, strap-on penetration IS sex.

Of course, I am bisexual and I know I've had sex with a girl, despite there being no penis-in-vagina involved. Perhaps that makes me a bit more broad-minded with my definitions. I heard a comedian once say that "if I am getting off and I'm not alone in the room, there was some sex". While the definition is broader than mine, I still kinda agree with the essence.

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/4/2007 5:01:23 PM

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quote:

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I really don't get how stuffing something into another person's ass or cunt could possibly not be sex. If I am doing it to myself, it is masturbation which is often referred to as "sex with yourself". If I am having anal sex, it clearly is SEX, and it doesn't make a difference to me whether it is with a dildo, a stap on, a cock or a freakin' champagne bottle. Even oral sex, which does not necesarily involve insertion of any kind, still has sex in its title. I get all kinds of reasons people might not define it this way, including professional Dommes not wanting to be slapped with prostitution. Others are welcome to their opinion, but to me, strap-on penetration IS sex.

Of course, I am bisexual and I know I've had sex with a girl, despite there being no penis-in-vagina involved. Perhaps that makes me a bit more broad-minded with my definitions. I heard a comedian once say that "if I am getting off and I'm not alone in the room, there was some sex". While the definition is broader than mine, I still kinda agree with the essence.

Very well stated beltainefaerie, at this point I think many don't want to
call it sex for a variety of reasons.
I have noted that all the men here consider it sex.
I have often heard masturbation called "sex" with myself.
I also feel that penetration in my eye's equals sex.
I have enjoyed the lively debate here on both sides of the strap-on.

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/4/2007 9:57:24 PM

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I didn't read the entire thread, so forgive me if someone already mentioned this: If a Scottish man can be made to register as a criminal sex offender because of 'simulated sex with his bicycle,' well, there's a problem with the law, but, the point remains that sticking a sex toy into another's sexual orifice is far more sexual than some guy sticking his dick somewhere on his bicycle (being a bike geek, I'm curious to know where, too) in a hotel room.

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/7/2007 5:11:31 AM

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i agree it is sex. when receiving Mistresses strapon i have cum as it is an unreal feeling as it moves in and out making you go rock hard with pleasure and then release. ( i have not had lick up the mess as yet)

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/7/2007 5:54:50 AM

Domin8tingUrDrmz

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"(b) the introduction (to any extent) by a person of an object or a part of his or her body (other than the penis) into the vagina or anus of
another person, other than in the course of a procedure carried out in good faith for medical or hygienic purposes;"

So if a doctor prescribes prostate stimulation to help reduce the size of his prostate or for other health reasons, and the patient receives this stimulation from someone other than a doctor is it still sex?

I think strapon sex is sex; I do. Though I can see how some define it as sexual and not as sex.

As far as BoiJen's comment regarding whether or not I'd permit it to happen to my um, no, I would not call those things sex. I'd call that rape or incest, both of which are non-consensual, and the recipient certainly isn't thinking 'sex', they are thinking 'assault'. The perpetrator often isn't thinking 'sex' either, they are thinking 'control'.

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/8/2007 4:21:38 AM

jovonna

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I feel strap-ons are the bomb!!!!!!!! Only if used safely and after the sub has been trained to accept it and craves it by his domme

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/8/2007 6:38:26 AM

malloves69

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gawd knows i crave it

and yes i love strapon sex and being fisted as well

is it sex ? maybe not in the vanila world terms but when im bending over for my mistress and she banging me good dooggy style she usually does a nice reach around to make sure im nice and hard so yes i think it is some form of sex and i love it

have fun mal

oh yes after she is done with her strapons on me then usually cums her fist and i think thats better even more once she slides in

mistress take me away

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/9/2007 7:20:45 AM

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quote:

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gawd knows i crave it and yes i love strapon sex and being fisted as well is it sex ? maybe not in the vanila world terms but when im bending over for my mistress and she banging me good dooggy style she usually does a nice reach around to make sure im nice and hard so yes i think it is some form of sex and i love it have fun mal oh yes after she is done with her strapons on me then usually cums her fist and i think thats better even more once she slides in mistress take me away

9 out of 10 submissive males seem to feel it is sex.
Maybe it depends on which side of the strap-on you are on.
The giver may not see it as sex, but the receiver normally experiences it as sex.

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/9/2007 7:53:17 AM

slavekal

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I got news for everybody. No matter what the pros say to avoid being branded prostitutes, all of this stuff is sex.

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/9/2007 8:02:24 AM

DianeB269

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Sex or not it's still FUN

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< Message edited by DianeB269 -- 12/9/2007 8:11:47 AM >

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/9/2007 10:44:53 AM

MystressDream

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quote:

ORIGINAL: slavekal

I got news for everybody. No matter what the pros say to avoid being branded prostitutes, all of this stuff is sex.

Please don't start THAT argument again!! Learn the difference between something being sexual and sex itself. Even the law defines it.

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/9/2007 1:48:46 PM

MsSaskia

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDoMe
9 out of 10 submissive males seem to feel it is sex.
Maybe it depends on which side of the strap-on you are on.
The giver may not see it as sex, but the receiver normally experiences it as sex.

Really, that's pretty much how I decide whether it's sex if I'm with a woman. If I'm being penetrated, it's sex. If she's being penetrated, I'm just topping her, but if she calls it sex I won't argue. If we're both (at some point) penetrating each other or there's oral happening, it's sex. If I'm not being penetrated, I'm just not happy, so I don't consider it sex, gender of the partner notwithstanding.

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/9/2007 1:56:48 PM

twobtheone

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you seem to be the perfect giving Mistress

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/12/2007 8:43:07 AM

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In my state (GA), anal sex is a crime. I do not under any circumstances use any form of penetration within the confines of a Pro session. I may use a strap-on with a male submissive in a lifestyle setting, where money is not involved, and yes I do consider that a "sexual" act. However, male submissives are never, ever allowed to have sex with or penetrate ME. Double standard? Maybe. But this is my world and it is all about me.

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/12/2007 12:53:44 PM

BoiJen

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Please go back and read my post regarding Lawrence V. Texas. Sodomy laws can no longer be enforced in the United States. Prostitution laws however are enforced in much of the Country. Amazing what awareness of queer law is doing for the world.

Be informed...because if you're not...no prosecutor is gonna give you the information that may save your ass.

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/12/2007 1:16:57 PM

domcurious1968

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Wow, what a discussion! Here's my two cents:

Yep, strap-on sex, anal or otherwhere is sex.
Oral sex is sex.
Anal sex is sex (whether with a strap-on, object, fingers, penis, etc.).
Penetration or stimulation of the genitalia in any way with any thing is sex, whether in-scene or vanilla.

ProDommes may call it anything they like to try to loophole the law, but it is still sex.

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/12/2007 2:11:46 PM

moki1984

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that is great how you felt a need to start a thread merely upon hating because some people disagree with your definition of sex.

i dont give two shits about what legal facts state this and that...sticking your cock in someone's ear forcefully is rape but do you really consider putting your cock in a ear sex? point being, i dont care what your state laws say.

if you wear it and force them to suck it, it is a degrading act that puts them in your place. if you fuck them in the ass, to some its sex, to others its just again....degrading and doing something that breaks their manhood

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RE: Strap on sex is sex folks - 12/12/2007 5:52:28 PM

MISTRESSKUMA

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Whats your definition of sexual intercourse? A cock inserted into an ear? A fake cock inserted into a guys ass? Thats sexual intercourse? Are you out of your mind?

I get a little excited when my gyno. gives me a pap smear. He inserts his finger in my vagina and I love it. Is that sexual intercourse? No. If it were his penis being inserted into my vagina, than it's sexual intercourse.

I made out with a guy in a parked car. Fully dressed the both of us, he slips his hand into my panties and fingers me. Is that sexual intercourse? Of course not.

It's not his penis entering my vagina. It's a freaking finger. People get a clue. Sexual intercourse is a penis insertion into a vagina.

All penetration, plastic, rubber, food etc. is sexual actvities, not sexual intercourse.

quote:

ORIGINAL: domcurious1968

Wow, what a discussion! Here's my two cents:

Yep, strap-on sex, anal or otherwhere is sex.
Oral sex is sex.
Anal sex is sex (whether with a strap-on, object, fingers, penis, etc.).
Penetration or stimulation of the genitalia in any way with any thing is sex, whether in-scene or vanilla.

ProDommes may call it anything they like to try to loophole the law, but it is still sex.

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