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RE: Going dutch - 12/4/2007 4:31:46 PM   
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If you're REALLY going to go Dutch, you say, "Op de kuisheid!" right before you dump the drink in his lap. 

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RE: Going dutch - 12/4/2007 4:36:47 PM   
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I can see arguments happening on both sides for this one.

Ok, Im playing with this Dom. He's been fed several meals by me, out of my cupboard. Fine, cosy in fact. 

Then he tells me we are going to a pub. We get there, he gives me the amount for his drink and tells me to get it.

I purchase the drink, take it over to him, give him his 5 cents change, turn around, leave the pub and do the 1 1/2 hour walk home. He states later that he does not believe paying for my drink is part of D/s.

Im interested to see what others views are on this. My view is ... I did not have a choice about going to a pub, i give full control over to the Dom. But damned if Im gonna go dutch when we go out. Especially considering control is expected and happily given at all times, no matter where we are.

Opinions ????




When he asked you to go out with him why didn't he inform you of the nature of his views on the "dutch" D/s relationship he has with you? Did he give you the opportunity to back out, thinking of your finances? Personally I am not even friends with people that sweat the price of drink, much less be dominated by one... I am generous with my friends, and they are with me...

I think D/s is a lot more intimate than your average friendship, and if someone dominating mecouldn't even buy me a drink I wouldn't date the miser again... but that is just me.


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RE: Going dutch - 12/4/2007 4:51:17 PM   
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In your situation, I wouldn't have walked out.  But I would have probably never gone out with them again.  He was either definitely not my sort of man or completely oblivious not to offer me a drink.   Paying for you drink is not a D/s thing.  It's just being polite after having demanded you go to the pub with him.  Maybe you didn't give him 'full control'  Maybe you should think about the kind of person you really want to give full control to, the kind of person who at least offers you a drink in a pub.

I want someone who -wants- to buy my drink and -wants- to take care of me.  I find that motivation in men extremely attractive.  That kind of vibe turns me into submissive goo, like I should put on an apron and have their dinner waiting for them when they get home and then suck their cock for hours or something.  Maybe that makes me a whore, but I'm going to be the best one I can be with the man I want to submit to. ;)




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RE: Going dutch - 12/4/2007 4:56:40 PM   
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sounds to me like you were doing good,,,,, up until the part where you turned and left. who is in charge here anyway? you or your dom.? you should feel fortunate he felt you worthy of an explanation after that.


one word....... communication

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RE: Going dutch - 12/4/2007 4:58:48 PM   
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Actually, I have no opinion of the dominant in question.  I simply agree with the actions taken by the OP because that is what I would do based on the limited information given.

Quite frankly, I don't consider the situation to really have anything to do with either D/s or whether they are merely playing or if they have an established relationship.  The dominant's behavior simply appears rude and inconsiderate. 

I do agree that there was a lack of communication, but I would hardly place all the blame onto the submissive because she didn't take the initiative.  Since he "invoked" their dynamic by telling her that they would go to the pub, I would have made a similar conclusion that any additional information I would need for the evening (such as my needing to bring my own money) would be communicated to me.

By the way, it seems a bit silly to invoke the idea of equality on a forum that's all about embracing the "inequities" of a D/s relationship.  Then again, I know a lot of men who suddenly "embrace" women's equality when it suits them.

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RE: Going dutch - 12/4/2007 5:01:41 PM   
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theres been times when i have money on me and slave does not. there have been times when slave has money on it and i do not, for whatever reason. there are also time when i have a little, and he has a little and we make it work. but my slave would never walk out like that for the simple reason as money, especially something as petty as a drink at the pub.

cheap of him, yes. proper slave behavior, no

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RE: Going dutch - 12/4/2007 5:14:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: masterlink65

cheap of him, yes. proper slave behavior, no



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RE: Going dutch - 12/4/2007 5:26:23 PM   
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hmmm a tricky one, I personally would never expect any one to pay for me drink, meal whatever, my Sir is so generous and spoils me and I find it very hard to get used to and find myself practically racing him to the counter so I can at least pay for things sometimes.

Without knowing the full dynamic it is hard to say whether he is cheap or not, perhaps it was his off  pay week, perhaps it was a test of sorts. But I certainly wouldnt have walked out, if I were genuinely expecting the other person to pay I probably would have made a smart ass comment or returned from the bar with two straws in the drink and said how nice it was he wanted to share a drink (but then I can be a sarcastic bitch).

It certainly seems to me there was a serious laps in communication somewhere along the lines and I must say I am still not entirely certain why he was "expected " to pay. If I buy/cook someone dinner, I expect nothing in return. If I say hey lets go to the pub it is not and automatic indicator that I am paying nor would I expect it the other way around.

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RE: Going dutch - 12/4/2007 5:26:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

But this seems to be more the case of:
If you're going Dutch, he ain't worth much.



I've never heard that one before... Love it! 

People get pretty crazy about money these days.  I dated a man who made four times what i make and didn't find out until a year into the realtionship that he was very resentful about me not paying my own way (despite the fact that he planned every date we ever went on and to places i could never afford).  And to think that all along i had admired him for being such an old fashioned gentleman!

I make it a point now to always ask up front if a man prefers to pay or to split the tab.  (And had to let the old beau know he was a bit too progressive for my tastes.) 



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RE: Going dutch - 12/4/2007 5:42:35 PM   
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Okay. I might have to back up from my former opinion. I re-read the original post.

The Dom gave her money and told her to get him a drink......NOT get THEM a drink. Perhaps he had plans for her to drive after the pub and not him. Perhaps he wanted her to serve him and for her to NOT have a drink, thus the almost exact change. Perhaps if she had bought herself a drink, he would have made her toss it out, because he didn't tell her to get herself a drink.

I now need more info to make a decision on this issue. But my gut still tells me that he is cheap, lol.

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RE: Going dutch - 12/4/2007 5:45:43 PM   
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mist,

it means that your very wise in your choice.

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RE: Going dutch - 12/4/2007 5:53:19 PM   
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kails,

a very interesting situation. It appears that you left home without that extra 20 tucked in safe, we used to call it mad money.

Your reaction was right on, your execution could have been better.

When dealing with one of his ilk, the effect would have been better to just sit there and let him drink in front of you, until the guilt rose up into his throat.

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RE: Going dutch - 12/4/2007 6:36:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

The compatibility regarding the issue of finances is no less a consideration than compatibility regarding which end of the flogger preferred.

One person's "cheap" is another's "frugal".

The other consideration is upbringing and social philosophy. There is a generation of men raised to believe that paying for a woman's drink is a sexist insult insinuating, as one person pointed out here, that it is a pre-payment for expected future "services" rendered.

Many talk of "communicating" and exposing personal beliefs; but rare do those discussions include the pragmatic aspects of every day life - like who pays for drinks at a Pub. Maybe it's one of those little discussed issues pointed out in other threads where people expect and use deceit in lieu of honesty. The lesson learned from this experience is if you don't know and would be insulted if the answer isn't what was expected - have taxi fare in your purse. At least wear comfortable shoes for the long walk home. 


Agreed.  There is no one rule that applies to all couples.  It's very relative to what you can pay for and agree upon.  Personally I would never end a potential relationship over the cost of a beer, however, it might prompt me to address the overall issue.  If he wants to take a trip to Paris, that's a whole other story.


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RE: Going dutch - 12/4/2007 6:37:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: masterlink65

sounds to me like you were doing good,,,,, up until the part where you turned and left. who is in charge here anyway? you or your dom.? you should feel fortunate he felt you worthy of an explanation after that.


one word....... communication


What the fuck.

I can't believe you just sprouted off that shit.

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RE: Going dutch - 12/4/2007 6:38:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: masterlink65

sounds to me like you were doing good,,,,, up until the part where you turned and left. who is in charge here anyway? you or your dom.? you should feel fortunate he felt you worthy of an explanation after that.


one word....... communication



You have the right idea, communication was lacking, however you seem to be unable to make a post without adding your self-imporant dom demigod bs to it.  "Worthiness" however, is quite contrary to open communication.  Everyone, dom/sub/slave/vanilla is worthy of conversation and explanation over relationship issues.

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RE: Going dutch - 12/4/2007 6:52:58 PM   
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so a sub is just to walk out if something doesnt go the way a sub planned? over a drink?

so does this mean if the dom or master doesnt flush the toilet properly, the sub will just walk out? maybe i bought the post instead if the daily news, the sub should walk out without a word to its dom. any self respecting sub should be able to speak for itself in time of need. dont just turn your back. i wouldnt see that as an act of submission.

doesnt sound like she was doing very much submitting to this dom of hers, other than her own selfishness of feeling the dom owed her for her making dinner. wrong for a sub or slave to expect anything owed other than its needs met, and a drink at the bar isnt a need, its a want. if i take my slave to a bar, it is my choice if slave has a drink, or wether slave stands in the corner.

the sub is worthy of conversation, yes.... but to just walk away like that? would you really expect a dom to go wow, what an obedient sub,, after all,,,,, she did get me the drink i wanted.?!?

so its BS when i write, and opinion when you write. ?!.

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RE: Going dutch - 12/4/2007 6:58:59 PM   
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wow, i find it hard to belive that so many people disagree with me on this. i am not trying to be contrary, just to argue. this is how i fell about this subject. you dont just walk out on someone cause you didnt get what you wanted. that was very childish behavior on the sub. did she go out stomping her feet too? or just holding her breathe?

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RE: Going dutch - 12/4/2007 7:01:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: masterlink65

so a sub is just to walk out if something doesnt go the way a sub planned? over a drink?

so does this mean if the dom or master doesnt flush the toilet properly, the sub will just walk out? maybe i bought the post instead if the daily news, the sub should walk out without a word to its dom. any self respecting sub should be able to speak for itself in time of need. dont just turn your back. i wouldnt see that as an act of submission.

doesnt sound like she was doing very much submitting to this dom of hers, other than her own selfishness of feeling the dom owed her for her making dinner. wrong for a sub or slave to expect anything owed other than its needs met, and a drink at the bar isnt a need, its a want. if i take my slave to a bar, it is my choice if slave has a drink, or wether slave stands in the corner.

the sub is worthy of conversation, yes.... but to just walk away like that? would you really expect a dom to go wow, what an obedient sub,, after all,,,,, she did get me the drink i wanted.?!?

so its BS when i write, and opinion when you write. ?!.



You just MIGHT take into account that this is NOT an M/s or even a D/s relationship.  Or, at least, there is no collar here.  The OP states they are just play partners.  You are trying to inflict strict standards and protocol on a casual relationship as you would on an ownership.  Just doesn't fly.
 
(I can't believe I actually responded to one of this guy's posts.... <sigh>... I must have a touch of masochist in me after all.  LOL)

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RE: Going dutch - 12/4/2007 7:05:33 PM   
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it is still no reasonto do what she did without saying something.


qoute from the original post."I did not have a choice about going to a pub, i give full control over to the Dom."

so you tell me what this dom shouldve been able to expect from this sub?

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RE: Going dutch - 12/4/2007 7:19:43 PM   
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To the OP - I would not expect my sub to buy or even go dutch when we go out. Call me old fashioned - that is just the way it is for me.

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