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RE: Solutions for sissies - 1/15/2008 12:41:41 PM   
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I think the most accurate post out of all of these is the "kink compatibility" post. It applies to so many fetishes etc. The trouble is, some
only except what THEY like.

As far as the AAkasha posts, it just reads like a "cash compatibility". Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with a paysite either, but I wouldn't provide yourself as the source of information when it is something your not into on a personal level and charging for it  Doesn't really come off very genuine as this thread shows.

Please, not a personal attack on anyone, just an observation.

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RE: Solutions for sissies - 1/15/2008 2:42:15 PM   
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Dear LadyHibiscus,

You've weighed in on this thread six (6) times (x) by my count. Oddly, on your profile you have CROSSDRESSING as a HARD LIMIT. (Lotussong only lists Crossdressing as something she "dislikes" in her profile.)

What exactly is your interest here?

One of my hard limits is SOUNDS. I avoid those threads like the plague. (To say that's not my interest would be an understatement.)

What do you hope to gain and share by participating in this thread?


What do YOU hope to gain here, Cloudboy?  Am I to infer that we should only be participating in threads that we have a personal stake in?

Let's see........I had a slave who was a CD.  I am a supporter of the GLBT community, and friend of many TG/TS folk, pre and post op.  As a professional dominant,  I  worked with CD's and sissies for years, doing everything from total transformation to slut play.   A member of my scene family is a CD for the love of the clothing, and actually has more glam lingerie than I do!  How about that?

Yes, crossdressing IS  a hard limit for me.  I do not want a crossdresser AS A PERSONAL SUBMISSIVE.  I also do not want someone who is into female supremacy, or into chastity.  I am not interested in pursuing those kinks in my PERSONAL life, at this time.



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RE: Solutions for sissies - 1/15/2008 2:47:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: solvr70

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

When you pull up the definition of 'sissy'.. one gets:
–noun

–noun
 
 




1.
an effeminate boy or man.



2.
a timid or cowardly person.



3.
a little girl.



hummmm....with that known, how would one such as i, that has great interest in being "encouraged" (avoiding that forced word) to wear Women's leathers like thigh-high black leather boots w/heels, a black leather corset, nipple clamps and perhaps some heavy makeup and wig before a scene be characterized?

not that i'm stuck on labels. but without that long explaination, there is no way to make that known in a few words that i have found.



That definition quote is from someone else, BTW...  

Thigh high leather boots are a great look! 

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RE: Solutions for sissies - 1/15/2008 3:37:47 PM   
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What do YOU hope to gain here, Cloudboy? Am I to infer that we should only be participating in threads that we have a personal stake in?



My stance here was mainly to protest and speak out against bigotted views of sissies. I have a lot of sympathy for that orientation.

You can have an interest in anything you want --- its just odd to see someone so interested in a subject they have listed as a HARD LIMIT.

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RE: Solutions for sissies - 1/15/2008 5:25:55 PM   
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If you have a fetish, find a way to make it *useful* to your femdom partner, if she is not directly aroused by it. 



Personally, I'd pass. As someone who is submissive to my partner, the last thing I'd feel comfortable with is feeling like my partner was indulging in something 'just for me' and not because they truly desired it as well. My brain just doesn't work that way.



Hi Bita :)
 
The above reminds me of a Dom's statement I heard:  "My whipping is something I hope  my  submissive enjoys, not something she puts up with"

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RE: Solutions for sissies - 1/15/2008 6:24:10 PM   
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Interesting take on her statement.....

I don't see the connection though.  She's talking about apples, so to speak, and you mentioned an orange...

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RE: Solutions for sissies - 1/15/2008 6:48:46 PM   
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You can have an interest in anything you want --- its just odd to see someone so interested in a subject they have listed as a HARD LIMIT.


It's not really that odd for someone to be obsessed with something they hate. Think of how the KKK is organized around hatred of blacks, for example. Also think of why--it's pertinent to this discussion, I think.

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RE: Solutions for sissies - 1/15/2008 7:16:31 PM   
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You can have an interest in anything you want --- its just odd to see someone so interested in a subject they have listed as a HARD LIMIT.


It's not really that odd for someone to be obsessed with something they hate. Think of how the KKK is organized around hatred of blacks, for example. Also think of why--it's pertinent to this discussion, I think.



Excuse me, but did I say anywhere that I hate sissies?  Did I say anywhere that I hate ANYONE?   

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RE: Solutions for sissies - 1/15/2008 10:59:01 PM   
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Or think of fundies and their hysteria about teh gay--there's another good analogy.

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RE: Solutions for sissies - 1/16/2008 3:09:10 AM   
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guess the bottom line is if your a panty boi you got no chance with a MIstress

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RE: Solutions for sissies - 1/16/2008 5:04:49 AM   
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guess the bottom line is if your a panty boi you got no chance with a MIstress


Not really.  I think that it's a limiting factor, one that will mean it's a little harder to find a compatible partner - just as so many other kink interests are limiting factors in finding someone.   


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RE: Solutions for sissies - 1/16/2008 9:21:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

But one the positive side.. if a Domme is having difficulty in finding  play partners..all she has to do is to get out the word that she specializes in sissy's and she'll get a flood of them.
 


Good point. I wonder why more femdoms aren't doing just that?



For me personally, I completely disagree with these sentiments. I am not the whole sum of my kinks. While they may make up a part of my identity, they are not my identity. Both of your one-size-fits-all advice may be relevant to some people, but certainly not to those of us who are multi-faceted.

If I was specifically looking for a no strings attached one-off, then your advice may be relevant, but I am not. As hard as it may be for many of the CD's, TV's, and sissies to find a compatible partner, as a dominant female, I've had my struggles finding a compatible partner as well.  

I need compatibility in all realms (personal core values, beliefs, life's goals, mental and emotional compatibility, chemistry, and to a lesser focus, kink compatibility). I want a life partner whom I can share all of my interests with, something that transcends the kinks and places the focus on life companionship. I won't compromise my needs or someone else's just so that either of us can settle for something less than we both need. I would be extremely insulted and hurt if I found out a partner did that to be with me. I wouldn't want them to feel that they had to change a core element about themselves to fit into my mold.

When it comes to crossdressing, what makes a man a "manly man" is merely a social construct. To say that a man is effeminate, timid, cowardly, or somehow less of a man because of clothes that he chooses to wear, is complete bullshit. It may not be something you're attracted to, fine, but I am, and I find the belittling character generalizations and insults in this thread to be extremely saddening.

Personally, I love a man dressed in women's lingerie (one of my main kinks and sweetest indulgences). A man dressed in a soft silk negligee, and coming to me for the same reasons that a woman would dress in lingerie for her partner (for both's personal pleasure), completely makes me melt. For me, the turn-off is when I have to force them to dress up in make-up and lingerie. I find the feel of silk, satin, and stockings to be highly erotic (on both of us). I like when my partner looks and feels sensuous in it, and that he's doing it as much for me as for himself... when he doesn't have to shackle himself to socially constructed chains that say a certain type of clothing change who I perceive him to be... a sensuous and alluring man whom I have the utmost desire for. If I have to force that type of mental, physical and emotional response in my partner, it doesn't interest me (at least not in this realm). I prefer to elicit vulnerability or other reactions in other ways. That's just me, and what it all comes down to is personal compatibility (from all of the ways I mentioned before, and then some that were excluded), the personal motivations behind both of our kinks, and being true to both myself and to others; all of which make up a part of why I found the advice and one-size-fits-all generalizations, and belittling comments in this thread to be offensive.








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RE: Solutions for sissies - 1/16/2008 9:42:32 AM   
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Personally, I love a man dressed in women's lingerie (one of my main kinks and sweetest indulgences). A man dressed in a soft silk negligee, and coming to me for the same reasons that a woman would dress in lingerie for her partner (for both's personal pleasure), completely makes me melt. For me, the turn-off is when I have to force them to dress up in make-up and lingerie. I find the feel of silk, satin, and stockings to be highly erotic (on both of us). I like when my partner looks and feels sensuous in it, and that he's doing it as much for me as for himself... when he doesn't have to shackle himself to socially constructed chains that say a certain type of clothing change who I perceive him to be... a sensuous and alluring man whom I have the utmost desire for. If I have to force that type of mental, physical and emotional response in my partner, it doesn't interest me (at least not in this realm). I prefer to elicit vulnerability or other reactions in other ways. That's just me, and what it all comes down to is personal compatibility (from all of the ways I mentioned before, and then some that were excluded), the personal motivations behind both of our kinks, and being true to both myself and to others; all of which make up a part of why I found the advice and one-size-fits-all generalizations, and belittling comments in this thread to be offensive.





Of course, everyone has personal preferences. I've dominated a lot of men via forced femme, though, and have a question for you about your more soft, embracing, sensual approach.  Do you find that some of the men you wish to feminize don't want to be feminized in this way, but want to be feminized in a more humiliating, sadistic way?  And if so, how do you reconcile that and find compatibility?

I think many (maybe most) subs into feminization as a domination tool, as power exchange, enjoy some of the excitement and edginess that comes with being treated like a whore, a slut, a tramp -- moreso than those that don't mind being treated sweetly and gently, or appreciated in his lingerie because of the look, feel and sensuality it brings. I think they may "settle" but then secretly want more, and it might come out later.  More along the lines of -- feminized, shown off to my female friends so we can critique, possibly taken in public (blindfold "her" and watch the shaking), ultimately bent over the bed and having her skirt hiked up and panties pulled down to be takeny by strap on and called a little whore, a bitch,  -- forced to wear lipstick and suck cock, etc.  That's more a scenario I can get behind (no pun intended).

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RE: Solutions for sissies - 1/16/2008 10:24:57 AM   
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Of course, everyone has personal preferences. I've dominated a lot of men via forced femme, though, and have a question for you about your more soft, embracing, sensual approach.  Do you find that some of the men you wish to feminize don't want to be feminized in this way, but want to be feminized in a more humiliating, sadistic way?  And if so, how do you reconcile that and find compatibility?

I think many (maybe most) subs into feminization as a domination tool, as power exchange, enjoy some of the excitement and edginess that comes with being treated like a whore, a slut, a tramp -- moreso than those that don't mind being treated sweetly and gently, or appreciated in his lingerie because of the look, feel and sensuality it brings. I think they may "settle" but then secretly want more, and it might come out later.  More along the lines of -- feminized, shown off to my female friends so we can critique, possibly taken in public (blindfold "her" and watch the shaking), ultimately bent over the bed and having her skirt hiked up and panties pulled down to be takeny by strap on and called a little whore, a bitch,  -- forced to wear lipstick and suck cock, etc.  That's more a scenario I can get behind (no pun intended).

Akasha



That's apples and oranges in my book. I prefer a man to dress in lingerie because we both derive personal enjoyment from it. I don't want him to be embarrassed, feel somehow less than a man, humiliated because he has to wear it, or vulnerable by the clothes themself... that's my job, and something I seek to do and elicit. I certainly don't feel that way when I wear lingerie, and certainly don't want my partner to neither. If he does, then we're at differing motivations, and since it's a huge kink of mine, I'd say we're not compatible in that area, and depending on the circumstances, both should move on.

If I want to elicit humilation, fear, vulnerability, and other reactions from him, I'll do it in other ways. Yes, he can be wearing lingerie at the time, and it can derive from that, but it certainly doesn't need to. If I want to treat him like my personal slut and whore, it has nothing to do with what he's wearing, that's just an added perk. If I want to slap him around, drag him by the hair to suck my cock, or force him to suck and fuck a blow-up doll to prove that he's worthy enough for the real thing (or whatever I feel like doing to him at the moment), then that has absolutely nothing to do with the clothes or props. It can (and in some cases can set the mood quite nicely depinding on specific clothes), but it certainly doesn't depend upon it. Some lingerie makes me want to touch and caress, others are a huge turn-on for sluttiness, and yet others are like waving a red flag in front of a bull because it begs to be ripped off and corrupted.

I like hands-on, I like to indulge all of my senses. I like to constantly taste, touch, see, and feel my partner in every way imaginable. Sensuousness and sadistic pleasures are quite easily intermingled. I'm actually quite surprised and bewildered that anyone would deduce that sensualness, or perhaps seduction would be a better description, could not possibly go hand in hand with domination, power exchange, or sadistic pleasures. That's really quite limiting. I see no reason why either I or my partner should possibly settle for less.

So, if they're settling as you say, and really want more, then we're obviously not compatible, and both should've moved on. I'm certainly not going to change a core part of myself for them. I don't think it's either possible or healthy. Although from your initial post, that was exactly what I got from you, that they should learn to settle for someone who is less than compatible for themselves. That is definitely not the advice I would have given out; especially if crossdressing and sissification was not my kink to begin with. If you're not into it, fine, but there's no reason for someone to conform to another's ideals.

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RE: Solutions for sissies - 1/16/2008 10:40:25 AM   
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I like hands-on, I like to indulge all of my senses. I like to constantly taste, touch, see, and feel my partner in every way imaginable. Sensuousness and sadistic pleasures are quite easily intermingled. I'm actually quite surprised and bewildered that anyone would deduce that sensualness, or perhaps seduction would be a better description, could not possibly go hand in hand with domination, power exchange, or sadistic pleasures. That's really quite limiting. I see no reason why either I or my partner should possibly settle for less.



I think forced feminization, when done with a hint of sadism and cruely (all in good fun) can still be sensual and sensuous. I don't think one trumps the other.  I was more wondering if the men themselves would find that sensual/seduction has a bit less of an "edge" that they need.  I realized that something I wrote in 1995 (damn, so long ago) really summarizes my thoughts on f/fem (my style of it) better than anything (posted below). With just the right hint of sadism and power exchange and with a partner who sees it the same way I do, it can be electric.  It was very stream of consciousness:




Sometimes I have to wonder if you know who you are dealing with. If you know how cruel I can be. Sometimes I wonder if you will try to back out once you see the tools I lay out that I plan to use on you.

You don't understand how much pleasure I will take in turning you into a pathetic little sissy. How I will strip each piece of clothing from you with a razor blade as you stand, wrists chained above your head, blindfolded, with my penis gag locked deep into your mouth.

How I will be standing in my latex corset, thigh high stockings and thigh high black patent leather boots. Perhaps now and then I will sit in front of your naked, helpless frame and move my heels down your tender flesh, leaving long, red gashes. How I will kick lightly at your hard cock as it stands out, begging for attention.

And my vibrator, should I decide to use it, may find it's way down your naked flesh as well, still wet from being inside me as I writhed on my bed while watching you shiver in your chains. The slick, vibrating plastic will hum against your cock and balls until you whimper so loud even the neighbors hear. And I'll just reach up and shove the gag deeper in, until you nearly choke on it. It's good for you.

You'll feel my hard nipples against your chest, I'll let them free from my corset just to move them down your body and then to your cock, sliding it between them and rubbing you until your body shakes with need. And I'll laugh.

Pulling back, giving your cock what it deserves A tight leather lacing, a harness, wrapped around under balls and pulled up, locked to your collar so every time you move your head you tighten the bonds. Your cock will be on fire for me, dripping precum, and every drop I will catch on my boots to feed to you later. As you kneel, nose to the floor, your hair a tangled mess in my fist as I push your lips to the cum and order simply, "Kiss, you miserable little slut."

I'll fasten a slick latex plug against the wall, pointing out toward your vulnerable virgin ass, and I'll smile as I push you slow against it, until you feel it poking at your crack, working it's way closer...closer. And if you shake your head in dismay, you'll feel it on your cock. I'll have my body pressed so hard against you, you will feel my nipples against your chest, my wet thighs riding your leg.

So when I hold you by the hips with my latex-gloved hands you will know what I'm going to do to you. Push. Watching you cringe. Push. Watching you let out your breath painfully, feeling your ass cheeks tighten when I move to massage them with my hands. Push. Until you whimper in pain and I know the plug is sliding it's way deep into you. Your body shaking. How does that feel?

I'll wrap my legs around your thigh and push, tightening so you feel my wetness slide up your flesh, your cock bobbing helplessly against my stomach, tugging on your collar. Oh, this is just the beginning.

And then, to re-dress you. As you stand helplessly, plugged like the slut you are, a cock in your mouth keeping you quiet. I'll make you step into the lace panties I have chosen for you, red. And I'll make you wiggle your ass as I pull them up over your thighs. And then the bra, also red, with false breasts.

But only after clamping your nipples tightly, squeezing them, torturing them. Twisting them until you cry out behind the gag. Making sure they are red and sore so you can feel them rub against the foam. A constant reminder.

In your red panties and bra you will look like quite the little whore, and I will pace, my high heels keeping you alert to where I am in the room. Telling you what a little whore you are. Taking Polaroids so I can show you later. Making you lean over what you can and press your ass into the wall to re-tighten the plug, to make sure it remains deep inside of you.

Next the garters and thigh high stockings, also in red lace. Your cock will be bulging inside the red panties, begging for release. But I'll ignore it, perhaps brushing a breast across it as I lean down to pull the thigh highs up. And then locking the garters to them, I might reach around and squeeze your tight ass again, dig my nails into it.

"You're turning out to be quite a hot little sissy," I'll tease. More pictures. More pressing you into the wall. More pausing with my vibrator, you'll hear it, hear me on the bed, moaning, writhing, bucking. You'll feel my heels moving up your body as I watch you, poking at the panties, poking with that spike heel until you whimper and clutch at the chains painfully.

"You look so hot," I will tell you, "Like such a whore, in red lace, I want to suck your tits."

Will you wonder what I am doing with that vibrator, when you hear that distinct sucking sound?

"I just wish there were a man around," I'll say from on my knees right in front of you, "So I can suck some real cock, I want to taste cum, I want cum down my throat. I want to smear it over my lips and nipples...but all I have is you, my little sissy girlfriend, and my vibrator."

I'll play with your breasts through the bra, pressing mine into yours. You'll be my little lesbian slut lover. That's exactly what you need.

But of course, I have the solution. I'll take you down from the chains and strap you down on the bed, pressing down on your so the plug is still tight. Leaving the gag and blindfold securely in place, leaving you in the red lace bra and panties, moving my hands over your thigh highs, my thumb teasing the naked flesh just about the seams.

With the bindings still linking your cock and balls to your collar, you will know better than to struggle. I'll slide my strap-on harness around your hips. You know what is coming. You'll know very well when I slide the big black dildo into the harness and point it upward, feel me moving on the bed, straddling you.

"I like fucking my girlfriend this way, " I'll remind you as I lower my wet cunt down on the big slick piece of plastic. You'll feel the pressure on the other side of the panties, pressing down on your forgotten cock. You'll feel it against your cock every time I ram my hips down, taking that dildo as deep as I can, massaging your tits and telling you what a little sissy you are.

Maybe you'll even feel my wetness through your lace panties. You'll know it's there, you'll know very well. And the pressure of my body riding the dildo will crush your cock and balls and ram that plug deeper into your ass. You will feel like you're going to be split in two.

"You like to be used like a little slut sissy whore?" I'll growl down at you, gripping your bra tightly, squeezing your breasts as I rock and writhe. When I cum, you'll feel it piercing through the plug in your tight ass, you'll feel it smashing down onto your trapped cock as my ass crushes against it, as I ride you like a horse, your tortured cock now pushed back all the way down between your legs, tugging hard on your collar.

You'll hear me get up off you, spent, unlocking the harness and commenting at how wet the cock is with my cunt juices. But like a whore, you know what you get next. As I finally unlock that gag for the first time, you know what you get next. You will open your mouth wide for me, without even my asking, and accept that soaking wet dildo eagerly. And I'll fuck you with it, fuck your mouth, until you can barely breathe. But like the slut you are, you will take it, and beg for more.

"You want more, little slut?"

"Yes Mistress, I want more, I'm a total whore, " you'll reply appropriately, and you'll take that shaft deep as I watch and talk about how I might use it on your ass next, but wondering oh-where should I shove that plug in your ass when I am using your ass for this dildo? Oh, I wouldn't do that, would I?

But you'll take it all slut, You'll be my slut when I need it, you'll be my sissy when I need it. You will present me with your face as a sitting place when I feel like having your breath against my cunt and ass. You will bend over and give me a place to shove my plug when I want it. You'll open your mouth wide and take my big, black dildo when I want to watch you suck.

And you'll learn to like it.


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RE: Solutions for sissies - 1/16/2008 10:51:41 AM   
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Far be it from me to criticize someone who enjoys ONLY the sadistic and humiliating potential of crossdressing. Nor will I criticize those who enjoy ONLY the soft and sensual side of it. My partner crossdresses happily and willingly, and he likes to be humiliated about that and many other things. I happen to enjoy humiliating him about that and many other things, so it works great. There also are times when we both get into the sensuality of beautiful hose on his scrumptious legs--and by the way, why is it that "women's" clothing so often looks better on men? But I digress. I mean that both soft sensuality and sadistic humiliation can work off the same raw materials.

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RE: Solutions for sissies - 1/16/2008 12:26:00 PM   
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I mean that both soft sensuality and sadistic humiliation can work off the same raw materials.


Precisely! Thank you for summing that up so eloquently.

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Far be it from me to criticize someone who enjoys ONLY the sadistic and humiliating potential of crossdressing. Nor will I criticize those who enjoy ONLY the soft and sensual side of it.


I didn't get the impression that Akasha was criticizing my preferences, nor was I criticizing hers. She inquired for more information about mine, and I answered  about what pertained to me personally. There's no right, wrong, or pigeon-holed definitions that matter when it comes to personal preferences and kinks, other than our own. And yes, I fully concur that women's clothing often looks better on men!

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RE: Solutions for sissies - 1/16/2008 1:12:55 PM   
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Interesting take on her statement.....

I don't see the connection though.  She's talking about apples, so to speak, and you mentioned an orange...



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RE: Solutions for sissies - 1/16/2008 1:24:07 PM   
LotusSong


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Dear LadyHibiscus,

You've weighed in on this thread six (6) times (x) by my count. Oddly, on your profile you have CROSSDRESSING as a HARD LIMIT. (Lotussong only lists Crossdressing as something she "dislikes" in her profile.)

   ... And exhibitionism, humiliation, female supremacy and the Gorean lifestyle.  I don't hate them.. but just "dislike" them. 
 
Interesting.. in typing this list here, I see a correlation as to why I don't like cross dressing.  It involves everything I list but the Goran thingy...   (Self-psychoanalysis).

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RE: Solutions for sissies - 1/16/2008 1:34:37 PM   
Reigna


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What? No criticism of someone else's kinks? Thank heaven. There's been way more than enough of YKINOK in this thread, and in others related to trans folk. Of course, I've long since realized that, whereas I am erotically sophisticated, everyone else is just sick.

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