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"Ravishment" Fantasy - 1/20/2008 10:50:33 AM

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I've recently been contacted by a lovely lady that wants me to be a part of her Rape/ravishment/intruder Fantasy. I'm not really into this but thought it might be fun and I do have an open mind.

Here is a copy of what she wrote me.....
"I'm very new to my fantasies. What really makes me wet is thinking about after my husband leaves for work at midnight. Forgetting to lock a door or window and someone is waiting for me...or comes to my bedroom. I have a lot of different scenarios, use your imagination..lol "

Keep in mind she has also explained that she is in an open marriage and allowed to play, her husband is sub.

My question is........What advice can you give me to protect myself. Does anyone know of any kind of Contract out there on the net pertaining to this kind of play? Not that contracts are legally binding but in a worst case scenario it would prove that it was consenual. Maybe I'm being too cautious or have seen too many movies but I don't want to be set up in any way.

RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy - 1/20/2008 10:53:01 AM

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Be careful. Talk it through with her have it all have a very set plan so that things do not fail.

did she contact you through here (or somewhere similar) or do you know her?

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RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy - 1/20/2008 10:58:07 AM

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My advice is, umless you knwo this woman -really- well, dont do it. How do you know she wont decide she hates what you're doing, change her mind then call the cops. or, decide -after- that she hated it and call the cops anyway.?

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RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy - 1/20/2008 11:02:51 AM

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I'd be really careful about doing anything at all with someone I didn't know.

You never know, maybe her true fantasy is to have her husband walk in on her being attacked and beat her attacker unconscious. Then what are you going to do - go to the cops and say you were engaging in rape play with a married woman and her husband attacked you? I doubt they'll bother to file a report.

Then again maybe I'm just paranoid. Still though...I would tell a submissive not to play with a stranger because they might get gang raped. I would assume that submissives are just as capable of being psychotics as dominants are.

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RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy - 1/20/2008 11:06:18 AM

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This kind of fantasy is best done after you have a history of consentual play between yourself and this woman you are talking with. She SAYS she wants this to happen, she SAYS she's in an open marriage, she SAYS her husband is okay with this.... You'd best check it out thuroughly before exposing yourself to possible rape, assault and burglary charges.

For all you know, she might be someone who just wants to set someone up for a fall, or it could be some kind of elaborate scheme to rip you off. (Once at "her" house or apartment, the friends she has waiting in the wings beat the crap out of you, and steal your money, your car, your address, and go to your home to steal the best stuff that you have while you're still lying on her bedroom floor.) Think it's impossible? Well, it happened to a guy I know in the Denver community about 15 years ago.

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RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy - 1/20/2008 11:06:52 AM

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Don't jump into anything. This is one of those "too good to be true" things. I would not get involved in such a scene unless I know her very well. By the way, contracts don't hold up in court- she can always say she signed it under duress.

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RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy - 1/20/2008 11:09:20 AM

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Is it possible to?

Have coffee together to get a "feel for" the situation. All 3 of Y/you. Talk in detail what would happen and so on. If it still seems right? Put it all down in writing and all 3 of Y/you sign the "contract." If no one wants to sign T/their name a thumb print would be great also and be more private from the wrong eyes.

If it is true she is new? well the O/others are right and You could end up in prison for a false crime. Just my thoughts.

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RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy - 1/20/2008 11:20:58 AM

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Rape fantasies are NOT something you act out with strangers off the internet. And no, there is no contract that will offer you one shred of protection.

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RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy - 1/20/2008 11:29:15 AM

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Don't jump into anything. This is one of those "too good to be true" things. I would not get involved in such a scene unless I know her very well. By the way, contracts don't hold up in court- she can always say she signed it under duress.

Perhaps videotaping all three of you, in which she tells she wants to do it and why. She can still claim duress, but it might be more convincing to third parties to see her say it. But then again, I'm not a legal expert and you really should not take legal advice from people like me. :)

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RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy - 1/20/2008 11:33:11 AM

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In response to your questions.....

No, I don't know her nor did I meet her on this site, we met on another one of a simular nature.

She is far from being new to the lifestyle, just new to this kind of play.

Of course I would meet first, set some guidelines and get some sort of written documentation. I don't know anything on this subject but I would think that "knowing her really well" would take the fun out of it for the "victim". I'm new to this and merely seeking advice from people that play this way on how it all works.

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RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy - 1/20/2008 11:40:02 AM

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This kind of thing happened to Me on a different site, she wanted Me to play out her fantasy with her while her husband was outside in the car. I tried to ask about limits, what fetish fairs they'd been to and tried to suggest we meet to make sure they knew I was normal and to assure Me that they were normal too (which I didnt say, but was thinking about) but after 5 or 6 messages backwards and forwards she got bored and said "Thanks, but no thanks".

A lucky escape I think lol.

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RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy - 1/20/2008 11:48:42 AM

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In response to your questions.....

No, I don't know her nor did I meet her on this site, we met on another one of a simular nature.

She is far from being new to the lifestyle, just new to this kind of play.

Of course I would meet first, set some guidelines and get some sort of written documentation. I don't know anything on this subject but I would think that "knowing her really well" would take the fun out of it for the "victim". I'm new to this and merely seeking advice from people that play this way on how it all works.

Because you said you are new there are a few things that you should be considering. People who have been active in this lifestyle understand that for a rape fantasy to be acted out successfully it requires a HUGE amount of trust. Trust is not something that you can establish overnight. Acting out such a fantasy involves a huge amount of risk, legally, physically and psychologically. Many women, but certainly not all, who have such fantasies are prior victims of sexual assault and are looking for a way to work through it. In that scenario, without the benefit of deep trust in an established relationship, it can seriously compound the psychological aspect to a point that could be detrimental. There is also a higher risk in that scenario that the woman will change her mind midscene and you could find yourself standing in a courtroom defending your freedom. Is it worth that risk to you for a little fun on your end? I seriously recommend that you forego this idea.
Also, in your post you made it sound as if this woman is of significant experience in this lifestyle. To be very honest with you, I have a very hard time believing that anyone with significant experience would be contacting strangers on the internet for this purpose.....especially someone who is admittedly new.

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RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy - 1/20/2008 12:45:32 PM

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Maybe I missed it but...I haven't seen anyone make this comment....so, I'd recommend having a talk with hubby first as well....

(Wouldn't hoit, ya know?)

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RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy - 1/20/2008 12:51:31 PM

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Of course I would meet first, set some guidelines and get some sort of written documentation. I don't know anything on this subject but I would think that "knowing her really well" would take the fun out of it for the "victim". I'm new to this and merely seeking advice from people that play this way on how it all works.

What's more important, her fun or keeping your ass out of jail?

However, if you don't want to get to know them very well, I strongly suggest that you do not start until you have clear indication that this is something she wants. People have pretended to be others and set up these rape situations for someone they want to get revenge on. Actually that's probably a good idea even if you do get to them know as best friends. If she changes her mind at any point and you don't stop, it's rape and you can go to jail.

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RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy - 1/20/2008 12:55:22 PM

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quote:

My question is........What advice can you give me to protect myself. Does anyone know of any kind of Contract out there on the net pertaining to this kind of play? Not that contracts are legally binding but in a worst case scenario it would prove that it was consenual. Maybe I'm being too cautious or have seen too many movies but I don't want to be set up in any way.

Let's look at this from her POV. What is going to protect her in case the man she is asking come into her home and fantasy rape her is a lunatic? Why is she doing this? Is her husband going to be there to protect her? It sounds very suspicious, in my opinion. It's incredibly risky for you, and for her as well. Why would she want to do this? I'd only play out this scenario with someone I knew very, very well.

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RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy - 1/20/2008 4:23:29 PM

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I wonder if he has even talked to this woman on the phone yet to verify she is who she says she is? I mean, it is not unheard of to have some vengeful lover put up naked pics, give out phone numbers, or set up criminal activity on someone, out of anger.
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RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy - 1/20/2008 5:07:29 PM

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Considering this is a person who contacted you and you don't know this person from Eve, I'd run the other way.

I think that ravishment (and I love that word one million times over rape in these sorts of fantasies) scenes open the emotional door to a lot of stuff the person with the fantasy may not realize. It may open a lot of emotional doors for you or anyone else as well. I tried to be that person to partners before and discovered because of my own past, that identify even on a play level with the rapist made me literally sick to my stomach. Changing the terms and "conditions" helped a lot for me.

Beyond everyone's emotional state though you seriously need to think about everything that could go wrong. We've read about a number of cases in the past decade where discussions and even contracts mean nothing in the mundane court of law. What in all reality would prevent this stranger from suddenly deciding to call you a rapist and contacting the police?

Nothing would prevent that.

Since you know so little about her, how much defense do you think you'd have. How much money and time do you want to risk trying your luck out on her fantasy? Is it worth risking your freedom or your career?

If it were a couple you knew in meatlife for some time, you had all sorts of safeties set up, I'd say have fun with it.

She's a stranger. You are all you have to protect yourself in this situation. Please remember that "top" to the rest of the world can often look like "criminal" and she will be believed over you most likely.

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RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy - 1/20/2008 5:09:59 PM

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Good point.

To the OP, I'd read this thread right here if I was you. Please be careful.
http://www.collarchat.com/m_1523784/tm.htm

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RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy - 1/20/2008 5:23:47 PM

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I've done crazy shit like that in the past and regret taking the risks. My advice to you is to make very sure that you know this person well and trust them. If she's married, sneaking in to "rape" her while her husband is out is foolhardy and very stupid.

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RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy - 1/20/2008 11:00:30 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: waverider66

My question is........What advice can you give me to protect myself. Does anyone know of any kind of Contract out there on the net pertaining to this kind of play? Not that contracts are legally binding but in a worst case scenario it would prove that it was consenual. Maybe I'm being too cautious or have seen too many movies but I don't want to be set up in any way.

Hello waverider66. There is no way you can protect yourself. Do not do this. RL

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