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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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Why must this be a "scene"?  I consider a scene to be contrived behavior.  I do not see where the couple's behavior is necessarily "contrived", and the statements of the female suggest that this is merely how they go about their daily lives.

In fact, other than her statement that she lives as a "pet", there's scant information in the article to suggest they are even a D/s couple.

THANK YOU!!  lol  

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ORIGINAL: FreeAgent

But, if I force you to see what you do not want to see, I'm infringing on your rights.

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ORIGINAL: FreeAgent

Is making the decision to put on a collar and be lead around on a leash not contrived behavior?

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And you're right, I see people vomit, boogers in noses all gross things I don't want to see BUT, all things that are inside the social norm.

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ORIGINAL: MisPandora

Uh, you're comparing RELIGION with a chosen social behavior or "hobby".  I hardly think the two belong in the same category!

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ORIGINAL: Stephann

Damn, I'm glad I don't drive a bus.

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ORIGINAL: brainiacsub

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

behaviour? if all they were doing was dressing Gothy, and using a leash, what behaviour was it that justified discrimination?

The article gives no indication that they were being disruptive in any manner other than the way they were dressed (and yes, I consider the leash to be a fashion accessory).

Ugghhh...I am afraid to answer your question for fear of becoming a broken record. Please read my subsequent responses to CelticLord and then let me know if I have not sufficiently addressed your concerns.

But I will say that it was the act of being led by the leash that got them booted from the bus. If she had been wearing the leash dangling from her neck like a fashion accessory, I wonder if the bus driver would have reacted the same way.

I would also like to add that if you really feel this way, I think you must ask yourself if you are prepared to become an advocate for social change and work to educate the public as to the symbolism and significance of the collar and leash in the lifestyle. This act of dominance and submission will never be viewed by the public as anything more than diminishing human life to that of the likes of animals. What society would want that? This is a perfect example of why social norms exist to begin with. Changing them requires education and activism.

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ORIGINAL: Aswad
Years back, it would have been outside the social norm for a black to sit in the front of the bus.
Would you say it was other than discrimination to beat up a black who did so?

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ORIGINAL: NakedOnMyChain

When it gets hard to explain to a child, that's where the public display should stop.

The world is really for adults, and kids are simply adults in the making; they can deal with any reality we can create, although what we as parents can deal with may be significantly more limited. Where the adult is a ripe peach, the child is an inedible one, but it is still a peach, not a peach blossom. It may be the case that we find the blossoms so entrancing that we want to pretend- for as long as we can- that they are indeed a different kind of being than we are. But that is a lie, and while we may delude ourselves as much as we like, I think it is irresponsible when we allow that delusion to affect how we care for our children, and worse yet to pass it on to them.

Why would we want adults to grow into childhood, rather than have children grow into adulthood?

There is such a thing as coddling a child to death.

Health,
al-Aswad.

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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama
Let's face certain facts right away:  cute or not, the whole point of their little Goth master-slave get-up complete with the leash prop is to confront other people with their relationship, in a rather childish and demanding way."

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Those of us who have raised small children find their antics a little less amusing, and we coined the phrase "GET A ROOM" for their benefit.

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  I find this sort of behavior tacky and vulgar in people of any orientation.  By all means, wear your Goth clothes, but please folks--the leash is an "after five" accessory.  I'll have a hard enough time explaining the rest of your Vlad the Impaler and Vampira get-up to the kiddlywinks, without you actually whipping and beating each other in public.  Save it until prime time, when the kiddies are home doing their homework and observing their parentally imposed bedtimes, k?

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(And yes, I find it every bit as irritating when vanilla or gay people or Martian people aggressively impose their sexuality on me in a public place, but especially during daylight hours.  No double standard.).

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo
I can think of a lot more offensive things I've seen on public buses than someone in a collar with a leash in another person's hands.

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ORIGINAL: Asherdelampyr
As far as all the bullshit I keep seeing about "imposing your kink on others" The hell with that, they arenet kidnapping people and focing them to go to fetish clubs, or anything like that, all the are doing is quietly living their lives, should I quit wearing bondage pants because of the name? what about people whos "kink" is to wear chastity belts and the like, should they be told that they shouldn't ever go outside, just in case someone sees a bit of it when they bend over? I saw in another post on here that someone likened this to people wearing really shorts skirts that exposed their genitals and the like, my argument to that is that those are clearly illegal, and they can get arrested for it, but unless the female half of the couple in question pops out a tit or something, they aren't breaking any laws.

~Asher (wondering how many people in Utah get offended because of his long hair)

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ORIGINAL: Asherdelampyr
As far as all the bullshit I keep seeing about "imposing your kink on others" The hell with that, they arenet kidnapping people and focing them to go to fetish clubs, or anything like that, all the are doing is quietly living their lives, should I quit wearing bondage pants because of the name? what about people whos "kink" is to wear chastity belts and the like, should they be told that they shouldn't ever go outside, just in case someone sees a bit of it when they bend over? I saw in another post on here that someone likened this to people wearing really shorts skirts that exposed their genitals and the like, my argument to that is that those are clearly illegal, and they can get arrested for it, but unless the female half of the couple in question pops out a tit or something, they aren't breaking any laws.

~Asher (wondering how many people in Utah get offended because of his long hair)

Asher, can I ask you something? Is there nothing you find objectionable for public consumption? Think beyond kink for a moment. And forget the obvious, like criminal or violent behavior, gratuitous cruelty, and things of that nature. Is there nothing that would shock you or give you pause if you accidently saw it? If you can imagine anything that would not be appropriate (that is within the law), is it so hard to accept that others may find things objectionable as well, such as kink?

In other words, is it your position that any behavior/dress within the law should be acceptable? If not, how do you propose that we establish boundaries and guidelines for public display/consumption?

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ORIGINAL: brainiacsub
I agree with you that form and mode of dress is cultural and should be tolerated - up to a point. Would it be acceptable for indigenous peoples of New Guinea to walk around the streets of London or New York wearing only a boar tooth necklace and a penis sheath? I think not. But, the niquab and burqua do not qualify. Again, I agree with you that it should be their right to wear it if they so choose, but the problem I have with this argument is that many of these women do not feel or understand that they have a choice. Therefore, for many of these women, their cultural dress is actually oppression thinly veiled (no pun intended) as cultural and/or religious expression. I support those who are educated and free enough to have a choice and wish to exercise it. I would be willing to bet that it is not the majority.

I'm not sure that we, outsiders to that culture, have a right or responsibility to "help" them.

Shouldn't that be something that those who are oppressed need to first speak up or ask help for?

I just wonder if it will be a very slippery slope. What's to prevent someone else from looking at how you or I live and say we need to be saved?

I'm all for helping those who want to fight for their rights but they have to take that first step otherwise they not only will not welcome the "help" but may work against it.

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Now your assumption is that these are an idiot young couple.  I haven't read it that way.  But it all comes down to interpretation though hey.
Here is a question -  what if it was Darcy and myself walking down the street?  Would that make a difference and why?
 
the.dark.