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Idiot may have been too strong a word, but the sentiment still stands. They are young, self centered, provoking, lacking in empathy for others(with regards to this issue), have a sense of entitlement, and behave foolishly. But these are not necessarily bad things for their age. Who among us did not have at least some of those qualities when we were their age. But, as agents of social change, who would ever listen to them?

Wow. You learned all that about them from one single article?  Your powers of perception astound. I did not realize you had such intimate knowledge of them as individuals.

Wow.

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1) If one of my vanilla friends wore a collar and leash because it appealed to them as an accessory and they were treated the same, would they also be idiots exposing the public to a kink? If not, why is it impossible for us to also wear these items as a fashion accessory?

I have already answered this in response to GreedyTop. Again, I am not so certain this couple would have drawn the ire of the bus driver if the leash had been dangling from her neck as opposed to being led like an animal (in the publics view, not mine).

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2) For various reasons (none including anything so interesting as making a statement), I recently dyed my hair an unnatural color. That makes me different from the social norms, at least around here. I used to have a lot of piercings. If the sight of these things offends someone, should I be kept off a bus and called freak? I mean, if the logic here is that "different from the norm means you deserve what you get"...

That is not the logic I argued. It's not about what you deserve, it's about anticipating consequences (again, see my response to Darcy). But, bizarre hair color and piercings are not so outside the norm in most metropolitan areas. You may be denied service in Quitman, Ms if you tried to board a bus there. Again, right or wrong, it is a consequence you accept when you step so outside the social norm as to make others feel uncomfortable or threatened.

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Accepting the consequences of social norms isn't always a good thing. We know this for a fact - the social norms of colored and white bathrooms shouldn't have been accepted. The social norms of a woman having to wear a skirt so many inches below her knees or getting in trouble at her college shouldn't have been accepted. When my mother was in college, she would get in serious trouble if she wore pants without a picnic basket in her hand, it couldn't be two feet away, it had to be in her hand, wearing a skirt too short or being out too late.

I'd like to think we know better now. What magically makes things so different than a woman wearing pants in a time where that wasn't the social norm?

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My friends don't always have the leash simply dangling - sometimese others do lead them. For them it's just fun and a joke. The idea that us doing it is a rude and forcing our kink on others makes no sense to me if a vanilla girl is allowed to do the same thing - just as long as she doesn't have any other meaning attached to the leash and collar.

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Accepting the consequences of social norms isn't always a good thing. We know this for a fact - the social norms of colored and white bathrooms shouldn't have been accepted. The social norms of a woman having to wear a skirt so many inches below her knees or getting in trouble at her college shouldn't have been accepted. When my mother was in college, she would get in serious trouble if she wore pants without a picnic basket in her hand, it couldn't be two feet away, it had to be in her hand, wearing a skirt too short or being out too late.

I'd like to think we know better now. What magically makes things so different than a woman wearing pants in a time where that wasn't the social norm?

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i completely agree with aquatic...
plus i find Dr.Phil to be irritating

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Idiot may have been too strong a word, but the sentiment still stands. They are young, self centered, provoking, lacking in empathy for others(with regards to this issue), have a sense of entitlement, and behave foolishly. But these are not necessarily bad things for their age. Who among us did not have at least some of those qualities when we were their age. But, as agents of social change, who would ever listen to them?

Wow. You learned all that about them from one single article?  Your powers of perception astound. I did not realize you had such intimate knowledge of them as individuals.

Wow.

I was only commenting on their behavior in the context of this one particular incident. We are all judged all the time by our behavior. They are no different.

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Living in subsidized housing and on welfare.  Frankly unnecessary gratuitous information which I suspect was put there to demean the couple.

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well, after reading this im somewhat saddened, little confused and wondering what the big deal was all about. she was one a leash, why is that so hard for the bus driver guy to understand.
whenever im out in public with my husband i am on a leash. yes it gets attention, it gets comments and  for the most part there hasnt  been any negitive reactions, aside from one guy who actually tried to unlock the collar and remove the leash because it didnt fit into how he though a woman should be treated.
are we wrong for doing this? i dont think so. its not sexual in any and we arnt hurting anyone, like so many of the other posters have said, its like holding hands. nothing more.

I'm sorry, if you view walking around an adult woman on a leash as the equivalent as "holding hands" then I would imafine that Gor is just another planet in the solar system.....Common sense. People. Common sense.

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This is the bigger point to this argument, were these two kids actually BDSM practitioners deliberately exposing their proclivities to the vanillas.  (But it's not.)  The bigger picture is that we seem to have a growing faction of folks who practice this lifestyle who have totally forgotten life before kink and life outside of kink, who no longer give a second thought to living life "out and proud" as a kinkster regardless of who they might expose or offend.  Again, I find myself saying that perhaps it's my getting old and conservative, but I find this a wee bit disconcerting.  Part of me misses 10-15 years ago when parties were private, underground, invite only.....where even events were less "fling the door open and entertain the ignorant masses" and more "these people are high up enough on the food chain to figure out where and who we are....they must be worth their salt!"  It'll never go back to being the way it was though......

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This is the bigger point to this argument, were these two kids actually BDSM practitioners deliberately exposing their proclivities to the vanillas.  (But it's not.)  The bigger picture is that we seem to have a growing faction of folks who practice this lifestyle who have totally forgotten life before kink and life outside of kink, who no longer give a second thought to living life "out and proud" as a kinkster regardless of who they might expose or offend.  Again, I find myself saying that perhaps it's my getting old and conservative, but I find this a wee bit disconcerting.  Part of me misses 10-15 years ago when parties were private, underground, invite only.....where even events were less "fling the door open and entertain the ignorant masses" and more "these people are high up enough on the food chain to figure out where and who we are....they must be worth their salt!"  It'll never go back to being the way it was though......

And what about for those of us where it isn't kink?

My wearing cuffs out out of the house isn't a kink. My panties are dry, I'm not getting a thrill, it's not sexy. It's just something I do, like carry my mousie in my purse. I feel comfortable in them, like an old pair of jeans that fit just right.

Why do I have to worry about someone being offended by something I'm doing that has nothing to do with sex or arousal for me when I have to put up with everything they do that offends me? There is a give and take with this. If I have to see those damn shirts with half naked women straddling cannons and those stupid "DIRTY DICK'S HOUSE OF CRABS", I can wear my cuffs in a completely non-sexual manner.