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RE: The BDSM continuum... - 1/24/2008 2:31:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

The problem with this is that one person can be on the spectrum at only one place at any one time.  I am able to be at two places at once.

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Bisexuality isn't ONE spectrum, it's two.  You could be attracted to one male in 1000 and 999 women in 1000 and I'd still call you bisexual. 

This is my spectrum:

Males
1<------5---X->10

Females
1<---X-5------>10

I consider myself bisexual.

But it doesn't matter much- pick who you want to be with and what you do with that person. 

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understanding bisexuality




Oh I wasn't suggesting that people couldn't be in more than one place at the one time...  you could use a scale for each different idea or perhaps it should be more 3 dimensional rather than linear?

Thanks for including your own sexuality scale... mine would be:

Males
1X------5-----10

Females
1-----5------X10

I classify myself as a lesbian 100% but that doesn't mean I won't sleep with a guy for the experience if I want to choose to at the time. I did recently for the first time in 10 yrs and it was fun but I still feel 100% lesbian... but I won't rule out it happening again in the future... but I haven't felt that way my entire life and I know different people who change their minds over time... hence the scale.

Some identify more strongly or soley with gay/bi/straight and that's cool for them... others seem to be a little more fluid about it and I wanted to see if that was true for bdsmers as well.

I guess since this system works well in my head for sexuality, as part of exploring my own bdsm identity I wanted to see if I could re-apply it and if other people also identified with the idea.

I also find it much harder to place myself on a submissive and/or dominant scale like the one above and wanted to see if other people could do it. I notice most of the people who responded with some kind of scale or percentage were those who felt strongly positioned at either end so perhaps for the others it was difficult too.

Overall, whatever people want to call themselves or however they feel about their role(s) is up to them and I'm not being the slightest bit critical... I'm just curious and interested in learning more...

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RE: The BDSM continuum... - 1/24/2008 2:43:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy
I think what the op has failed to realize is that you might get some sub to interact with someone of the same sex...Or when people have beein incarcerated they have been known to practice homosexual relationships....However, in each one of these cases the people would still probably identify themselves as being "straight."

It actually is rather insultive to think that people slide up and down the "gay" continuum...It suggests that someone can choose their sexual preferences depending upon where they are on the scale at any given moment in time. It would give the conservative straightees all the information they need to deem those Homos as being sick in the head...After all, it is just a matter of choice.

 
I haven't failed to realise anything of the sort, nor am I attempting to insult the GLBT community, of which I am a long-standing member... oh and by the way I work in the prison system so am more than aware of what goes on there... of 25 girls in one unit I was working on a while back, 24 of them were playing with each other (consentually) but only 1 of them identified as a lesbian.
 
I am also suggesting that someone can choose to LABEL their sexual preference on the gay continuum at any given time... obviously for many GLBT people this labelling doesn't feel like a choice, it is just is who they are, but for others their sexuality IS more fluid.
 
There is a difference between what you do and how you feel... I'm not asking if people perform submissive or dominant or gay or straight acts... I'm asking do you feel submissive or dominant 0 - 100% of the time and does this change for you over time?

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RE: The BDSM continuum... - 1/24/2008 2:45:58 AM   
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Mmm reread the Op several times. LOl..still don't know what to do with it.
I am just me. I do what I want aslong it makes me feel good.


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RE: The BDSM continuum... - 1/24/2008 3:19:31 AM   
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It's all good... I guess I'm still figuring bits of me out and just throwing ideas around to see if they resonate with anyone else.

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RE: The BDSM continuum... - 1/24/2008 3:53:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: yrstocollar

It's all good... I guess I'm still figuring bits of me out and just throwing ideas around to see if they resonate with anyone else.


that is a good thing. People here have nice views, one keeps learning here


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RE: The BDSM continuum... - 1/24/2008 7:51:25 AM   
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Okay let's say this is a bell curve. There are several billion people on this planet. Out of that huge number don't you think you'll get a hell of a lot of outliers? Being the points that fall at the far ends of the spectrum. And on a site such as this, devoted to power relationships you should expect to get more than a random sampling of outliers. Which, as it happens, is what you get.

Try doing your poll over at a nonpower site and you should get a lot more people in the middle of the curve, you know the ones who admit to a homosexual experience in high school. And who are fine tying their boyfriend to the bed posts with scarves one night, while having it done to them the next. Coming here to look for people in the middle of the curve is like going to a Christian site expecting to find lots of nonbelievers. Wrong place to look.

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RE: The BDSM continuum... - 1/24/2008 7:54:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Okay let's say this is a bell curve. There are several billion people on this planet. Out of that huge number don't you think you'll get a hell of a lot of outliers? Being the points that fall at the far ends of the spectrum. And on a site such as this, devoted to power relationships you should expect to get more than a random sampling of outliers. Which, as it happens, is what you get.

Try doing your poll over at a nonpower site and you should get a lot more people in the middle of the curve, you know the ones who admit to a homosexual experience in high school. And who are fine tying their boyfriend to the bed posts with scarves one night, while having it done to them the next. Coming here to look for people in the middle of the curve is like going to a Christian site expecting to find lots of nonbelievers. Wrong place to look.


did you just say statistics is gay?


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RE: The BDSM continuum... - 2/1/2008 6:27:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy


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ORIGINAL: LadyHugs

Dear yrstocollar, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
It is my personal belief that there is a sexual 'slide ruler' per se, that an individual will go through life and experiences, self discovery to which in time is what will be the defining moment of who a person is sexually.  I don't believe it is exclusive to BDSM but, life in general.
 
I find myself steadfastly 'straight' and fond of gentlemen regardless of the sexual preferences.
For me, sexuality and preference is just one aspect of the total person.  I am drawn more by the total sum of a person's character.  I also feel that I have no submissive bone in my body anymore.  I think the only thing that causes my passive and civil state is duty to family and or blood relatives.  For all others--I wouldn't be happy in any other capacity other than Dominant.
That said, as a Master/Mistress -- slaves are slaves, so I could consider females as slaves to me.  I would have to take steps as to feed their sexual needs/desires as I would not be the one inclined to participate beyond foreplay and sensual arrousal.  To completion, it would have to be another individual who is comfortable in completing sexual rapture. 

You fee like that there is a sexual "slide ruler"..."per se"...But you make it quite clear that it has never applied to your sexual attractions because you have always viewed yourself as "steadfastly straight." Therefore, it would seem that you actuall live your life in direct contrast to what the op has stated.

I think what the op has failed to realize is that you might get some sub to interact with someone of the same sex...Or when people have beein incarcerated they have been known to practice homosexual relationships....However, in each one of these cases the people would still probably identify themselves as being "straight."

It actually is rather insultive to think that people slide up and down the "gay" continuum...It suggests that someone can choose their sexual preferences depending upon where they are on the scale at any given moment in time. It would give the conservative straightees all the information they need to deem those Homos as being sick in the head...After all, it is just a matter of choice.

 
Actually this is a debate currently going on in the Queer community -- the idea of choice.  It's an underground discussion because of the political implications of it.  Personally, for many women I know (and I consider myself Queer, having been in relationships with both men and women), I think the idea of choice does enter in (I won't comment on gay men because I haven't engaged this discussion with many).  I think, at some point, with some experience under their belt, some women make a choice.  Then that choice becomes more cemented within the confines of a community and shared sense of identity.  And for other people, there never was a choice, they really were born into the sexual orientation they embody.  I see it as fluid.  It's a hard political tactic (in fact, it's a shitty tactic and should not be attempted at this time).  The next move is to decide that a homo choice is a legitamate choice.  my very unpopular thoughts on the matter.  oh.. and fight the power.

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RE: The BDSM continuum... - 2/1/2008 6:35:07 PM   
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If you were to apply a percentage of domliness or subbiness to yourself what would it be? ie I feel dommey about 75% of the time...




I have no desire what-so-ever to be in control in a relationship...ever. I would smother if it was ever left to me...not something that I want or something that I need.

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