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RE: DIY Hoodectomy? - 1/30/2008 6:44:06 PM   
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Pointless mutilation on an individual without their consent with no firm medical backing is as it stands, whatever the age.  It's Mutilation.
 
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It's a point of view. An understandable one, though one I don't happen to agree with as the word mutilation is so loaded. Valyraen doesn't feel mutilated, my father doesn't feel mutilated, my male friends don't feel mutilated and my friend whose parents had her extra fingers removed when she was an infant (no medical need) doesn't feel mutilated and therefore it is not my place to say they were. I don't feel I can pass judgement on what their parents did when they are happy with the choice their parents made for them. They did the best the could by their children, I can only try to do the best I can by my future children.
 
As for why I would myself, it's a complicated and personal issue that does involve religion and one that is a whole different thread in and of itself. Please don't feel I'm brushing you off with that answer, but it is the best I can give at this particular moment.

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RE: DIY Hoodectomy? - 1/31/2008 4:21:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well Aqua, I tend to see tattoos as mutilation, so I personally don't find the word loaded enough, but it is all subjective hey.
 
As regards being religion decision, although I respect it, I have never been able to get my head around it.  Being religious myself, there are a number of 'rituals' that I could have put my children through - but I didn't and haven't because I also believe that it is their choice as to whether they follow the path I have, not mine.  If a person does believe in consent - then I find consistancy in all areas of life absolutely vital.  Don't just get to pick and choose.  But then I am of the belief that consent is almost oxymoronic hey, and reality of life makes it a concept, rather than actual.
 
Baring in mind you are in the states and in a society where the said ritual is common and has become 'normal' and I am not saying you are right or wrong, I am simply saying I can't get my head around it.
 
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RE: DIY Hoodectomy? - 1/31/2008 11:23:42 AM   
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OP,

Yes, there are some women who have specifically requested to have a hoodectomy, for their own reasons and what not. The process, how-ever, is not as easy as walking into a doctor's office and signing on the dotted line. In most cases, hoodectomies, unless there is a serious medical reason like infection or tissue deep unceration, are illegal in most states and countries. Doctors who are trained to perform them obviously have rigorous screen processes, including a psycological exam to investigate why she feels the need to have it done. In some cases, where the clitoral hood is large and over-hangs the clitoris, a minor hoodectomy can be performed to restore the sensitivity.

Which brings me to my neck topic...The clitoris actually retreats into the hood just prior to orgasm, though I am personally unsure of the reason why.

Also to consider, is that scar tissue will build up from the surgury, and scar tissue is not stretchy like the rest of the female anatomy, including the inside of the vagina. The female anatomy is designed to stretch to facilitate the birthing process in a standard vaginal birth. If scar tissue is present, this tissue will not stretch appropriately and there is a great risk for tearing and lacerations. Having seen enough SVD*'s in my time (I work on a Labour and Delivery unit, and am also a birthing doula), clinical studies have shown that even some woman with genital piercings (Vertical Clitoral Hood among the most common) tear about 50% of the time. Add on top of that the risk for vaginal tears for first-time women (called Primagravida), is another 50% of the time. (This information can be found in a June or July 2006 issue of a canadian medical magazine. If you want actual refrences to the article, I will have to go and look it up.) 

Now with that being said, something like this, because of the very vascular nature of the tissue within the female anatomy (again, designed to stretch), hemmoraging is often a concern in this area, not to mention that there are several clusters of nerves and blood vesels that supply both the clitoris and it's surrounding tissue. DIY surgury would mean a HUGE risk in severing these nerves and blood vesels, which would reduce in a loss of sensitivity. Your best course of action in this case, would be to find either a reputable surgeon.

As another option that does not involve blood, I would suggest clothpins or clamps. Yes, they hurt, but if used correctly will cause no permanent damage and will still keep the skin intact. Using clothspins or clamps, you can retract the clitoral hood to expose the clitoris for play and stimulation and pin it that way until 15 minuits are up.

~Kaylin

*SVD= Standard Vaginal Delivery
Edited for spelling

< Message edited by KaylinSilverfurr -- 1/31/2008 11:25:01 AM >

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RE: DIY Hoodectomy? - 1/31/2008 1:15:53 PM   
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Please find a surgeon to do it. You are messing with very tender territory there.


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RE: DIY Hoodectomy? - 1/31/2008 4:34:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

 I am not saying you are right or wrong, I am simply saying I can't get my head around it.

 
It's all right. I honestly can not fathom seeing tattoos as mutilation.

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RE: DIY Hoodectomy? - 2/1/2008 4:41:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		this thread has a lot of good points, so there is little i could add.
one thing that does need to be repeated though:

this is an ILLEGAL procedure in most states. that means, even if she does not report you immediately, someday she will need to see a gyn or doctor, and they will ask questions, and that will send the police to your door. If she decides some time afterwards that this was not what she wanted, the police will come to your door, you will be sued, found guilty, have your name run through the press as the idiot who mutilated his girlfriend, be put on an fbi watchlist, banned from most good paying jobs, etc. hey, it might even end up on your credit report for some bizarre reason. and this is not mentioning what her relatives will do to you once they find out, and they will, these things always come out in the end.
in other words, such a silly act could ruin your life completely, not to mention her's also.
so think, think, and think some more, and then let it remain as wanking fantasy material, which I am almost sure this is.

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RE: DIY Hoodectomy? - 2/1/2008 8:15:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		You sure about that? When I did a google search I found various lists of doctors in various states who are willing to preform hoodectomies.

Just asking.

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RE: DIY Hoodectomy? - 2/1/2008 8:37:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Female Circumcision, which a 'hoodectomy' is( not a valid word for this type of operation ), is part of the female genital mutilation laws ( FGC ) in many countries, including the U.S. While theortically you could do it once you have reached the age of consent in some areas, and would probably find a willing physician, I would not risk it, esp. since local laws tend to be more diverse for each town and county, and often  include  harsh  sentences.

"Since 1998, 16 states have instituted criminal sanctions against the practice of FGC: California, Colorado, Delaware, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, New York, North Dakota, Oregon, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Texas, West Virginia and Wisconsin.5 A federal law criminalizing the practice was passed in 1996 and became effective in April 1997. The law provides that the practice of FGC is a federal crime, unless the procedure is necessary to protect the health of a young person or for medical purposes connected with labor or birth. The penalty for violating this law is a fine or imprisonment for up to five years, or both. This law specifically exempts cultural beliefs or practices as a defense for conducting FGC.1, 4References
  1. Toubia, N. (1999). Caring for Women with Circumcision. RAINBO: NY, NY.
  2. WHO. (Downloaded 8/9/01). Female Genital Information: Information Pack
  3. ACOG. (1999). Slide-lecture kit, Female Circumcision/Female Genital Mutilation: Clinical Management of Circumcised Women.
  4. Rahman, A. & Toubia, N. (2000). Female Genital Mutilation: A Guide to Laws and Policies Worldwide. Zed Books Ltd: London, UK.
  5. Center for Reproductive Law and Policy. (November 2000). Female Circumcision/Female Genital Mutilation: Global Laws and Policies Towards Elimination. 
  6. Department of State. (March, 2001). Report on Female Genital Mutilation as Required by Conference Report (H. Rept. 106-997) to Public Law 106-429.
  7. Morison, L., Scherf, C., Ekpo, G., Paine, K., West, B., Coleman, R. & Walraven, G. (2001). The long-term reproductive health consequences of female genital cutting in rural Gambia: A community-based study. Tropical Medicine and International Health, 6, 7, 1-11. 

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RE: DIY Hoodectomy? - 2/1/2008 8:48:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		You might want to look over this thread:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1505520/mpage_1/tm.htm

My understanding is that removing the clit hood is pretty legal.

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RE: DIY Hoodectomy? - 2/1/2008 9:43:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Whatever the legality of the situation, and the law can be argued endlessly, the fact remains that if she in the end is unsatisfied, the boyfriend will face the consequences, and frankly, I am not sure if a woman can ever be sure she will be satisfied with such a decision. Hence, if I were the boyfriend, I would stick to protecting my own skin and not get into all of this. 

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RE: DIY Hoodectomy? - 2/1/2008 11:53:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Come on, you said before you decided whether or not to do it you wanted info so don't turn chicken now and act like you were just asking. We are not stoooopid.

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RE: DIY Hoodectomy? - 2/2/2008 6:26:09 AM   
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RE: DIY Hoodectomy? - 2/4/2008 12:35:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		The hood of the clitoris serves a very important protective function. If people are having anything done, I would imagine that it's more a reductive surgery intended to "correct" what might be thought of as an oversized hood than a full removal. Without a covering, something as simple as wearing pants could become torturous.

In any case, NO, there is absolutely no safe way to conduct a DIY surgery on anyone's genitalia.

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