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RE: Master's 'old' girls... help?! - 2/22/2008 7:17:51 AM   
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bleussparkles; You've been in this position before? I think my main insecurities come from the age difference between us. I mean, 17years is alot... especially at my age. He talks of things He's been involved in.. before I was born! Uhm.. I suppose thats why i'm so worried about these older girls He has contact with. Yes, He told me about them, told me things like "Oh yeah, going to the pub with *** tonight, just to catch up..."

How long were you with him for? You have a Dom/Master now?


My first real time Dom was 23 and I was 17. I felt like he was more wordly than me but it wasn't too much of an age difference. We could relate on most things.

My second real time Dom was 35 and I was 19. He'd met me when I was with the first and we started off as friends. Much like with your Dom, I knew he had a past and he had a lot of girls he'd talk to but for whatever reason I thought I was special. Turns out I was the first one who'd move in with him.

He and I  had little in common when it came to interests. He was so much older that he would talk about things I had no reference of. Then it got really creepy because as I got "older" he'd start openly looking at other girls ... Younger girls ... REALLY young girls. Sometimes I'd feel like I was trying to date a pedophile. Other times I felt like I didn't even know him at all because our interests were SO different. I was still growing up and changing every day and he was totally set in his ways.

I was with him for 4 years before I finally left but the entire relationship I struggled with the same things you're dealing with. Looking back, I was miserable.

I'm single at the moment ... I just broke up with my girlfriend actually, completely unrelated events. lol

Anyway, if you suspect something is up, it probably is. Thats what I learned.

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RE: Master's 'old' girls... help?! - 2/22/2008 7:22:44 AM   
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My first real time Dom was 23 and I was 17. I felt like he was more wordly than me but it wasn't too much of an age difference. We could relate on most things.

My second real time Dom was 35 and I was 19. He'd met me when I was with the first and we started off as friends. Much like with your Dom, I knew he had a past and he had a lot of girls he'd talk to but for whatever reason I thought I was special. Turns out I was the first one who'd move in with him.
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He and I  had little in common when it came to interests. He was so much older that he would talk about things I had no reference of. Then it got really creepy because as I got "older" he'd start openly looking at other girls ... Younger girls ... REALLY young girls. Sometimes I'd feel like I was trying to date a pedophile. Other times I felt like I didn't even know him at all because our interests were SO different. I was still growing up and changing every day and he was totally set in his ways.

I was with him for 4 years before I finally left but the entire relationship I struggled with the same things you're dealing with. Looking back, I was miserable.

I'm single at the moment ... I just broke up with my girlfriend actually, completely unrelated events. lol

Anyway, if you suspect something is up, it probably is. Thats what I learned.


I think somethings up. I think thats clear form my posts on here. He wanted to mark me as His own last weekend, and we've put it off because I'm not comfortable with that until I know that i want to be with Him (He wants a tattoo across my lower back, and although it doesn't say i'm owned/look like a mark of ownership it would still be something that would remind me of Him if i left Him.




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RE: Master's 'old' girls... help?! - 2/22/2008 7:36:45 AM   
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You are 18. That's technically adult, but you are still not far removed from being a young girl. That's one reason a 17-year difference is so great when the younger one is still a teenager. (don't get "fluffed" at the term - it is accurate.[smiles like the auntie I am] )

Your lack of experience, especially regarding the D/s dynamic, makes you vulnerable. You have taken a good step in posting your question here. Now, please listen to all these people who have been through similar situations.

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RE: Master's 'old' girls... help?! - 2/22/2008 7:42:27 AM   
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I certainly wouldnt get a tattoo if this is the extent of your doubts, tattoos are for like ever and it all seems a little rushed to me anyway

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RE: Master's 'old' girls... help?! - 2/22/2008 7:43:38 AM   
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Just one thing here.

At 18 how on earth did she qualify to emigrate to New Zealand from the UK? That part really doesn't add up. As I understand it you have to score pretty high on the 'skills' and education levels. Unless she's over there just 'visiting' because of family vouching for her?

The more I look at this, the less it adds up.

Here(U.S.) one can leave the country at age 18...permanetly if they want.



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That isn't what people were asking I don't believe. They are talking about getting into the UK and staying to live. These days, from most countries, you now need a visa to tourist there and have a 6 month leave to enter. You can stay for 6 months. In 1999 at 36 I moved to the UK. The UK is extremely tough on allowing people to settle there unless you have family there, grandparents from there, marry a British Subject or have highly specialised credentials. I managed for 5 years before I finally flipped them off and moved to Morocco after the men in black from the Home Office had shown up at my door twice! And, no I wasn't overstaying illegally.

As to age differences, people must speak in either generalisations or give anecdotal information. At 35 I was in a relationship with someone 26. There was no shared history, not much common ground other than bad sex. I remember one day at my parent's pool we all got discussing the day Nixon resigned somehow and this guy hadn't been born yet. Everyone there noticed his lack of participation in conversations on this and other subjects. I am now 44 and married to mine who is 32. However, he is highly educated and comes from a culture where boys grow into men fairly fast with some exceptions. When I was 21 I was fucking around doing something and he had 2 Master's degrees by age 20, had been a Professor for a year and had owned his business by age 18. We met when he was 31 and I 43. We however share the same values, political views for the most part and talk for hours on wildly varying subjects.

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RE: Master's 'old' girls... help?! - 2/22/2008 7:48:20 AM   
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The point is, if you don't trust the guy there isn't any reason to be in a relationship with him.  If he's untrustworthy that probably won't change, and if he is trustworthy but you still don't trust him you're just gonna drive him nuts.


The problem is, alot of guys that are untrustworthy lead you to doubt and not trust yourself.    My point was, if you doubt him there is prolly good reason.  And if you are trustworthy, than you have no problem proving it, right?


Absolutely, people's past experiences lead them to doubt and not trust.  I think I should be seen for the person I am, not the shadow of the person they used to date.  It's funny, people trust me until they want to own me, and then they get scared I'm going to cheat or get possessive and don't understand my friendships.

I am trustworthy, but I do have problems proving it.  I don't think trust can be proved, it can only be proven to be broken once it is.  Trust can be shown, shared, and earned, but it seems I have difficulty proving my trustworthyness.  I've found that when things have been asked of me to show trust I've done them, and then more requirements have been added to the list to prove the trust further and as I meet those it becomes like running on a treadmill.  In my experience it hasn't been that I've seemed untrustworthy, rather that the insecurities of partners have been overpowering.

I'm monogamous by nature, but most people around me think I'm poly.  I abhor serial monogamy, and prefer to settle into monogamous relationships rarely and only with special people because *it means something*.  Sadly, all too often as I look around, people don't take their commitments as seriously as I do. 

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RE: Master's 'old' girls... help?! - 2/22/2008 7:50:55 AM   
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You are 18. That's technically adult, but you are still not far removed from being a young girl. That's one reason a 17-year difference is so great when the younger one is still a teenager. (don't get "fluffed" at the term - it is accurate.[smiles like the auntie I am] )

Your lack of experience, especially regarding the D/s dynamic, makes you vulnerable. You have taken a good step in posting your question here. Now, please listen to all these people who have been through similar situations.


I'm trying to listen, but people seem far more interested in how I am able to live in the UK, even though I have stated a few times now that I am an English citizen. Born in the UK, and emigrated to NZ 8years ago with my family. Thus, I hold both passports, and can live indefinitely within both countries.

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  I certainly wouldnt get a tattoo if this is the extent of your doubts, tattoos are for like ever and it all seems a little rushed to me anyway


Yes, I agree. Which is why it isn't going ahead. I would love to get a tattoo of ownership, in time, and with the right person though.

quote:

Hi,

That isn't what people were asking I don't believe. They are talking about getting into the UK and staying to live. These days, from most countries, you now need a visa to tourist there and have a 6 month leave to enter. You can stay for 6 months. In 1999 at 36 I moved to the UK. The UK is extremely tough on allowing people to settle there unless you have family there, grandparents from there, marry a British Subject or have highly specialised credentials. I managed for 5 years before I finally flipped them off and moved to Morocco after the men in black from the Home Office had shown up at my door twice! And, no I wasn't overstaying illegally.

As to age differences, people must speak in either generalisations or give anecdotal information. At 35 I was in a relationship with someone 26. There was no shared history, not much common ground other than bad sex. I remember one day at my parent's pool we all got discussing the day Nixon resigned somehow and this guy hadn't been born yet. Everyone there noticed his lack of participation in conversations on this and other subjects. I am now 44 and married to mine who is 32. However, he is highly educated and comes from a culture where boys grow into men fairly fast with some exceptions. When I was 21 I was fucking around doing something and he had 2 Master's degrees by age 20, had been a Professor for a year and had owned his business by age 18. We met when he was 31 and I 43. We however share the same values, political views for the most part and talk for hours on wildly varying subjects.


I have a UK passport. I am a UK citizen. I was born in the UK. Just because I also have a NZ passport/citizenship does not mean that i cannot live here too! Yes it is hard to get in and out of the UK, but not for me. I came home. Hell, they didn't even scan/search my bags when I entered the country!



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RE: Master's 'old' girls... help?! - 2/22/2008 7:55:46 AM   
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Problem is that often threads get side tracked esp if not all the info is there right away, hense the reaction to your age etc coming later, i think the general advice to you is pretty similar from all to be very very wary, if you have no trust now thats a huge issue and also it seems rash to have moving in with him with that still remaining, but you know what you have to do now its jsut a question of doing it and telling us how it all went :D

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RE: Master's 'old' girls... help?! - 2/22/2008 7:58:40 AM   
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bislavegirl4434,
Perhaps you need to look at this from a different angle.  Don't worry so much about whether he's cheating or not.  The question is simple, are you in the relationship that you want?  I believe you're in a relationship with a person you want, but that doesn't mean it is the relationship you want.

If the dynamics of your relationship make you unhappy, nervous, and leave you feeling odd, then it isn't the realtionship for you.  If communication doesn't improve the way you feel about the relationship, then you need to seriously reconsider being in it.  It isn't that he isn't a great and desirable guy, nor whether he's trustworthy or not, just that your dynamic doesn't jive.

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RE: Master's 'old' girls... help?! - 2/22/2008 8:21:13 AM   
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Nobody knew that you were a British Citizen until 1 page ago when you finally returned. You will find on a message board that when the OP goes away, others will carry on a discussion that may or may not vary from the OP. For me, finding out you were a British citizen happened roughly 10 minutes ago.

I had wanted a tattoo since I was in my teens but couldn't really decide what I wanted. It varied all over the place. A year and a half ago I met my soul mate after 25 years of less than wonderful relationships. I now have my tattoo and there was no question as to what I wanted it to be. Had I done something like that at 18 I'd have probably had something stupid, then had another to cover that one with a guy's name and then had to have had more than one after I married mine. When all I had ever wanted was one.

I still stand by the common ground theory and a shared history. I think this guy made it easier for you to go home. I know that at 18, as mature as I was, had I entered into a life long relationship it would have been short lived. At 23 I tried and stayed 9 years. That is 9 years longer than I should have stayed. It took me a long time to get out and find out what it was that I truly needed, the way that I needed it and to learn never to settle for less than that. I had a quasi relationship at 16 with my English teacher 17 yrs older than me. My mother thought it okay as he had his Ph.D in his 20s. In the long run I can see that he got off on the control aspect of it eventhough it was a nilla relationship. He had the power to make me cry, laugh, be happy or worry whenever he felt like it. I knew what was happening though was too taken with him to stop it.

P.S. Folks my first (original) engagement ring was sent to me from Morocco via DHL to Brink's and you should have seen the looks when a Brink's truck pulled up outside of my place in this crappy neighborhood!

**edited to add that my previous post was fairly lengthy. The beginning a response to what someone else had said, the second being my own thoughts. When quoting, you may want to quote only the portion you are referring to. My post was far from being all about how you are remaining in the UK. That portion was general information to another's response/question.

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RE: Master's 'old' girls... help?! - 2/22/2008 10:47:16 AM   
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Call me a cynic.  But as someone else has said the situation doesn't feel right - but frankly - the whole post doesn't feel right.  Everyone seems to be coming down on this 'Master' - but there are many things that make me question the poster.
 
So, I am from the UK.  Your profile mentions that you have moved from NZ to UK.  I have no idea about laws in NZ, but UK, 16 is legal age.  With all honesty, the age doesn't phase me at all.  Your new and recent profile also indicates that your Master is perfect, yet you are explaining his 'faults' here? - I also have to ask how did you get a visa to live in the UK at your age?  Your post states he is a teacher and comes home at 4pm.  Another post you indicate he will be 'home in a few minutes'.  It's wasn't even 3pm when you posted that.  Most schools finish between 3.15 and 3.30pm.  Even if he lived around the corner from the school, I fail to see how he could arrive home so fast.  Teachers also rarely get home every evening at 4pm - I was teaching support and a school governor.
 
Yeah, call me a cynic... but an awful lot doesn't add up.  As for the original question - communicate with him - you should not have given yourself over as much in the first place without negociating such before hand - but it isn't too late if you keep a level head.  But something about the whole thread/situation doesn;t add up to me.
 
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I agree with you. We are taking her side of the story and making her "Master" into an evil child abductor when we have no real info besides what she tells us. While I dont really agree with the age difference, you cant put all the blame on him. She knew how old he was and continued to talk with him and meet him. So she is as much to blame as him. If he lied about his age when he contacted her and said he was around her age then I would have something to say about it.

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RE: Master's 'old' girls... help?! - 2/22/2008 10:57:33 AM   
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FR...ok so i didn't read the whole thread, but i read quite a bit of it...and one thing stuck out to me...

to the OP...he effectively cheated on other girls to talk to you....what makes you think he's going to stop cheating now that he's with you?

the age difference doesn't matter...your age (the OP) does...sorry, but it does, i hated to hear it when i was 18 and i wanted my relationships with the older guys i was with to last...but i was constantly changing who i was, i couldn't decide on a college major for a semester, how could i decide on who i wanted to be with for a signifigant amount of time, much less the rest of my life...and the older guys are still there...and if the guys were worth it, they would have waited till i settled down...fact is, i didn't know how to pick quality guys then...i am now with a guy who is 17 years older than me...he is everything i ever wanted, and a lot of things i don't...because, suprisingly, he's human...but with time, i am now able to participate in life and my relationships rather than anticipate...and shit happens...but i take the bad with the good, because the good far outweighs the bad...oh and i see skanky ho's (but not his ex's) flirt with him and get in a tizzy, and then ask him why he doesn't make them stop, and he's like "stop what?"...because he doesn't even see it...it's all in my head...it's my insecurity, not him cheating on me, or potentially cheating on me...

just my $1.50
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quoting myself cause i like reading my words and i think they got lost, and i feel that the OP should read them...especially the bolded part...


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RE: Master's 'old' girls... help?! - 2/22/2008 11:06:50 AM   
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Idk Chelle;

I think in this particular case, He *is* seeing it, and even encouraging it.
I find his behaviour with this girl disingenuous (at best).
Ymmv.

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RE: Master's 'old' girls... help?! - 2/22/2008 11:19:29 AM   
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I am a great believer in that little lizard hind-brain that said get the hell out of the tree and into that cave, drag that hot burny thing to the front..NOW we are safe from being eaten. It's pretty dumb in most ways save one, it is real good at noticing things, things we don't notice conciously, putting them together and screaming "danger". It tries to protect us emotionally and physically and we do need to listen to it. Whether you call it Womens Intuition, Instinct, Psychic Links, Vibes, doesn't matter, what matters is it is telling you that something is wrong. Not mildly wrong, wrong wrong.

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I've only ever relied on myself/my own judgement, and now He asks that i am truthful with Him. There was alot of trust-building/friendship-building activities in the beginning. Taking me outside me comfort zone and proving that i could rely on Him (simple things like ice-skating, and wearing a blindfold while going up and down into the attic, things like that).


You know, as much as I trust and love Master, and I do, if that little lizard is screaming, I am going to stop, look around and LISTEN to it. If I hadn't one night I might have lost Master permanently. He was in the livingroom, playing with the PS2 while I was in bed reading. I heard several pops and immediately went to the living room. Master had dismissed them as firecrackers..I said No..Lizards screaming, that was gun fire. Da Lizard was right, he followed me into the safety of the bedroom and not 15 minutes later a police officer knocked on our door to let us know that the back windshield of our car had been shot out. Where Master was sitting was in direct line of the bullet that struck the car. If the buillet had kept traveling ..(Shudder). Seems two drug dealers had started chasing and fireing at each other a town over, cut through our town and were finally stopped in another town.

Something is not sitting right with your lizard..listen to it. You have to trust yourself, not just him.

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RE: Master's 'old' girls... help?! - 2/22/2008 11:47:36 AM   
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In many states in the US the age of consent is lower than 18, in many it is 16 and in South Carolina it is 14.


Actually, in South Carolina, the female has to be 16, but the male can be 14. A bill is pending to up the age in any case.
http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

By the way, I thought from page one that the OP was total BS.

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