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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/7/2008 1:57:37 PM

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You have never had a slave leave you? One has never initiated the parting?

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/7/2008 2:03:51 PM

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I know Jeff, but, I couldn't help myself.
I TRIED to stop myself, really, I did...
But...
I mean, the goreans aren't generally very polite of my beliefs when I am in the Gorean section...

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/7/2008 2:06:03 PM

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At least we never have to endure a bunch of whining from the lordly ones when the slave finally tells them to piss up a rope. Too big an ego.

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/7/2008 2:06:43 PM

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I would think it quite obvious I am not a "DOM", nor is aaminah a sub, nor is she a doormate. What we are is something you fear...we have sufficient freedom within ourselves that we can live what we believe without fear of the consequences or the judgements of small minds.
If there are consequences to living as I believe, then when the time comes I will bear them with the same dignity and honor I held as I reaped the rewards.

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/7/2008 2:07:22 PM

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LOL... I know, it SOUNDS silly and my expectaions are way different then his. But now I wanna know.......

a woman has never left him?

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/7/2008 2:09:26 PM

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quote:

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I would think it quite obvious I am not a "DOM", nor is aaminah a sub, nor is she a doormate. What we are is something you fear...we have sufficient freedom within ourselves that we can live what we believe without fear of the consequences or the judgements of small minds.
If there are consequences to living as I believe, then when the time comes I will bear them with the same dignity and honor I held as I reaped the rewards.

Uh huh. You won't be able to tell a soul, since you would fear losing face. Excellent, sounds good to me.

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/7/2008 2:09:29 PM

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To say you are something I fear is silly......and a little bit pompous.
I have no issue with how you live your life. If you are happy good for you...lol

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/7/2008 2:10:18 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

LOL... I know, it SOUNDS silly and my expectaions are way different then his. But now I wanna know.......

a woman has never left him?

Jeff

Do the blow-up dolls count?

Its really arrogant to assume that we "fear" what you are just because it is different, or we don't agree with it.

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/7/2008 2:10:43 PM

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Each to their own
*remembers why she avoids the Gor threads

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/7/2008 2:16:24 PM

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I have had women leave me, Jefff, every Man has...and my comments are not directed at anyone in particular. I'll be back in a few, have to go get aaminah from work.

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/7/2008 2:19:42 PM

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OK, ....I suppose my point is.....not very many people could be counted on to obey so completely.
And, perhaps not many people would wish it.
Most, would leave fast.........most, not all.....:)

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/7/2008 2:27:30 PM

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fast reply

"make" me do something? yeah right - i would like to see Daddy try that on me.

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/7/2008 2:28:21 PM

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The other end of the spectrum..

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/7/2008 2:31:39 PM

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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

LOL... I know, it SOUNDS silly and my expectations are way different then his. But now I wanna know.......

a woman has never left him?

Jeff

Do the blow-up dolls count?

Its really arrogant to assume that we "fear" what you are just because it is different, or we don't agree with it.

I feel the blow up doll would NOT count, due to the fact of a bad decision on the Dom part to experiment with needle play!.... heh, talk about flying in sub space!
Crimmidy, i hope i got this "quote thing correct
Yay i did! :)

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/7/2008 2:34:48 PM

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i'm not your "typical, no limits, i shall obey your every command" type of submissive.

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/7/2008 2:47:36 PM

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Yes perhaps a bit pompous, okay maybe a whole lot pompous...lol.
But I only posted what I believe, and look at the responses from it. If I can respect what others believe, they why can't they respect mine? Were the insinuations and insults posted by the others really bnecessary? Why woud they post like that if not out of fear of their own sense of security and freedom within themselves? Making themselves feel better about their beliefs by attacking someone elses.

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/7/2008 2:51:28 PM

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"But, if I wanted her arm broken, it would get broke, and she would present it to me for that purpose."

Interesting perspective...but, Dom or Master, not exactly sound reasoning. At least not if said dom or master wished to continue to own her. Even an animal will turn on it's Owner, or run away, if treated in such a fashion.

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/7/2008 2:53:08 PM

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quote:

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Yes perhaps a bit pompous, okay maybe a whole lot pompous...lol.
But I only posted what I believe, and look at the responses from it. If I can respect what others believe, they why can't they respect mine? Were the insinuations and insults posted by the others really bnecessary? Why woud they post like that if not out of fear of their own sense of security and freedom within themselves? Making themselves feel better about their beliefs by attacking someone elses.

What we have here is a new submissive asking if something should be considered "realistic" in the "lifestyle", meaning she felt that the attitude that one can force a submissive to do whatever they like just did not wash with her. Her question wasn't pertainent to your living situation since you do not self identify as a dom and your property isn't a submissive. So in that context you may see the responses to you on this thread a little differently?

I think it is legally unrealistic to force people to do things they do not consent to, and I also find it not in keeping with a D/s relationship... but that is just my opinion.

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/7/2008 2:53:53 PM

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Try this one on for size.

How can you avoid making someone do *something*? Every action you take invites a reaction, and when you don't get a reaction, THAT's a reaction. You can live in a cave for the rest of your life, but by failing to affect anything, you are effectively affecting everything.

Discussions like this one are nifty. Ultimately, all forms of influence stem from the same source, and follow the same pattern. Any aggregated community of elements will, based upon the types and stages of complexity within that community, create specific types of power exchange, defined by the effect and the scope of units affected to attain the effect. For example, to knock the 9 ball in the corner pocket, you may end up hitting every other ball in a pocket first, or you may have a clear shot and knock it in first. How you do it not only depends on the rules of the game and the way the balls lay, but individual choice. And you can, of course, make the wrong choice either way.

Enter the human element. Perceptions on an individual and group level overlay basic biological functions, which are modified by economic and historical factors, the weather, and proximity of the nearest uninvolved observer. Or partially involved observers. Can, given this environment of incredible complexity, with more and various technologies, social agreements, economies of scale in legal and moral values disputing localized legal and moral choices... can someone make someone else do something?

Absolutely. You can't not make someone do something. Getting them to do what you want, however, is an entirely different story. There, it's applied engineering; leverage, not strength. Good luck with it, you can do it if you really want to.

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/7/2008 2:54:18 PM

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On the contrary Leatherist, my way of life is not confined to inside my Home...I live what I believe where ever I am....and those who know me know how I live, some accept this and some don't. Those who do help to build a friendship. those who don't go their way and I go mine, both better for having agreed to disagree.

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