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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/8/2008 5:42:14 AM   
abbeysomething


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Status: offline 		Good morning, and thank all of you who have both enlightened me, and entertained me :) i have learned a few good things, and reinforced other things that i felt.... One being is to sit back and enjoy the ride...

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/8/2008 5:42:21 AM   
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One thing I love about this site is when someone has a debate and then has to call all those who agree with them to come and post.

xsassykatx I would just like to point out that anything that says true submission with no hint of irony is in fact quite offensive, you are claiming that you are being more true to yourself than others are? how can you possibly know that without living their life? having their feelings or indeed being them. We can only be true to ourself in whatever capacity that is. Being true to myself would mean that i would never put myself in a position that risked serious harm, but then I dont know anyone who would ask to cut my throat or break my arm, therefore I stand by my initial post about realms of reality.



One thing I've always found interesting about threads is how people chose to read between the lines instead of reading what was written and then asking for clarification if they don't understand.  Everything in my post is based on my own opinion and my own personal experiences.  Nowhere, did I say the way anybody else choses to live their life was wrong, only that I've met several submissives from all walks of life, some with limits and happy that they have them, some with limits because they are afraid to let go and so they use it as a sheild and then wonder why they are not happy, and some with limits because they like having their cake and eat it to (being both submissive and dominant by controlling everything around them).  These are not my assumptions, but what I have learned in talking to them and getting to know them.  There are many different paths in this lifestyle and everybody has to find what works for them and then live it to its fullest, one not being more right than the other, only the best fit for the person living it.  It is by getting to know people and reading others views that I learn, not only about them, but about myself.  There are things I read and go "OMG, that would never work for me!" and there are other things I read and simply "sigh" and say "yes, that's for me."

As for LordShadow calling me to come defend him?  Oh please!  I was reading this thread just as all of you and yes, became more interested in it because I know him.  However, it makes me both irritated and laugh when someone cares enough to offer a different point of view and then is attacked for doing so (that irritates me) and all the while the attacker protesting how they are not threatened by that different point of view (that makes me laugh).  I offered my post, perhaps a little in defense of him (albeit he needs none from little ol' me), but because I had an opinion and a thought to express.  Again, all opinions of my own, born out of my own experiences, and all of my own free will, just as I would offer him my arm to do with as he wished.

be well,
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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/8/2008 5:44:39 AM   
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Good morning, and thank all of you who have both enlightened me, and entertained me :) i have learned a few good things, and reinforced other things that i felt.... One being is to sit back and enjoy the ride...


Just remember to put on your seat belt, because it will be the ride of your life! :)

kat

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/8/2008 6:04:31 AM   
colouredin


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ORIGINAL: xsassykatx
So yes, should he order his property to present her throat for cutting or her arm for breaking, she would do so without hesitation and thank him for the pleasure of doing so.  That is true submission.  That is true ownership.

As for limits, the only people this girl has ever met with limits are those too afraid to let go and just be, subs, and subs topping from the bottom.



quote:

ORIGINAL: xsassykatx
I've met several submissives from all walks of life, some with limits and happy that they have them, some with limits because they are afraid to let go and so they use it as a sheild and then wonder why they are not happy, and some with limits because they like having their cake and eat it to



If i am the only one who sees a contradiction here then I am sorry but I genuienly do, initially you were saying anyone with limits is not a true submissive and now you are saying there are differant types of submissives and have added another to the catagory

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/8/2008 6:11:57 AM   
Strictyetnice


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Status: offline 		Ok I wasnt going to post in here until I saw the typical nutter on a power trip.

People like him give Doms/Masters a bad name. You say You wish to keep her from harm, yet then you talk about breaking her arm? Any decent Top will relise that whether she is a slave or a sub, NO girl should be abused in such a way.

Also, you said she isn't going anywhere? Don't tell me you are one of these idiots who think that slaves can only depart from your ownership when you decide they can. I hate that. Because what if a girl starts off as a slave, and willingly submits to you and becomes yours. Then later on down the track, she changes her mind. (would not suprise me if you are breaking arms). She is not allowed to leave and seek what she wants in life because you say she can't. Thats purely restricting her rights as a human being. This isn't a world where rubbish like that is allowed. The whole lifestyle is not meant to be having basic human rights neglected, no matter if the girl is a slave.

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/8/2008 6:14:26 AM   
abbeysomething


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ORIGINAL: xsassykatx

quote:

Good morning, and thank all of you who have both enlightened me, and entertained me :) i have learned a few good things, and reinforced other things that i felt.... One being is to sit back and enjoy the ride...


Just remember to put on your seat belt, because it will be the ride of your life! :)

kat


Even have me helmit on!!  thanks so much!

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/8/2008 6:19:54 AM   
Strictyetnice


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Status: offline 		Errrr sorry guys the comment I was referring to was from ages ago. I am a newbie to the forums and LardShadow might have cleared up what he was saying, so if so, feel free to ignore my post. I just get annoyed at how so many unsuspecting subs/slaves I have met have fallen into a trap of being abused and physically hurt in an unjust way, or feeling like they are not allowed to leave a relationship and remaining terribly unhappy.
Like I say, the whole lifestyle is meant to be a good thing for all involved, but so many Doms make it good for them and not look out for their slaves best interests, and I think thats sad.

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/8/2008 6:26:48 AM   
angelic


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Status: offline 		To the OP, few can "make" me do something, however, a Dom/Master can inspire me to do things that I perhaps would not normally do.

~edited because I went back and re-read and found the answer to my original question.~

< Message edited by angelic -- 3/8/2008 6:32:15 AM >

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/8/2008 6:30:39 AM   
LadyPact


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Status: offline 		I do have to apologize for one thing in My participation in this thread, and that was misidentifying LordandShadow as Gorean.  Obviously, a mistake made by his initial greeting of "Tal".

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/8/2008 6:33:08 AM   
colouredin


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Status: offline 		Well in fairness his profile says he does identiy with many gorean ideas

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/8/2008 6:44:06 AM   
SinergyNstrumpet


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata

quote:

ORIGINAL: SinergyNstrumpet

Your lifestyle has no relation to mine and my Daddy's. We are not Gorean, and yes there is a difference between how Goreans live and how many D/s couples live. Your posts highlight those difference very well I might add


With respect, any three year old can break his toys if he wants to. There's nothing particularly Gorean about that, or about not growing out of it.
 
Kirata


This is true, I was not just speaking of the arm breaking thing. My Daddy is a feminist. Our relationship is all about consent. If he felt I was not consenting he wouldn't want me. So in that sense we do not live the same lifestyle as a Gorean, my submission to my Daddy is based on our orientation and not our gender.

Hope that clarified things a bit


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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/8/2008 7:07:43 AM   
MadRabbit


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ORIGINAL: xsassykatx

So yes, should he order his property to present her throat for cutting or her arm for breaking, she would do so without hesitation and thank him for the pleasure of doing so.  That is true submission.  That is true ownership.

As for limits, the only people this girl has ever met with limits are those too afraid to let go and just be, subs, and subs topping from the bottom. 


ROFLMAO

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/8/2008 7:10:58 AM   
DesFIP


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ORIGINAL: xsassykatx

With regards to LordShadow and his beautiful aaminah you know nothing of which you speak, DesFIP.  You assume abuse, instead of seeing devotion. 



The question was asked about consequences. I answered with a real consequence. Because I can assure you that medical personnel are trained to tell the difference between accidents and deliberate damage. And deliberately breaking someone's arm is legally considered abuse. So don't spout off to me about nonsense, think about the real life applications here. Assuming you do have any experience of real life?

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/8/2008 7:11:00 AM   
RedMagic1


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ORIGINAL: Strictyetnice
I just get annoyed at how so many unsuspecting subs/slaves I have met have fallen into a trap of being abused and physically hurt in an unjust way, or feeling like they are not allowed to leave a relationship and remaining terribly unhappy.

Gotta be careful with that.  It's the other side of the "Doms are smarter/better than subs" coin.  S-types are just as responsible for building healthy relationships -- and leaving toxic ones -- as D-types.

Comments like yours seem borderline sexist to me, because you almost never see people saying such things about male subs and female Dommes.  The men are expected to know better, or to have more options somehow.


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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/8/2008 7:34:43 AM   
colouredin


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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

Comments like yours seem borderline sexist to me,



I didnt see any mention of gender, just the term subs/slaves and Dom can be used for both female and male, sorry i am being pedantic


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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/8/2008 7:50:00 AM   
OscarHargraves


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Status: offline 		Back to the original question here........
 
You can't 'make' a Sub do anything.  They do it of their own free will and their desire to obey your commands and wishes.  If that is not the case then you need to re-define your relationship......... My opinion.

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/8/2008 7:56:09 AM   
Archer


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Status: offline 		OK I had left the sidetrack of the arm breaking alone hopeing it would get explained to satisfaction.
However it has continued to detract from the actual discussion.

I can't be the only one to see that it was being used as an EXAMPLE not being advocated.
Trailing off into what would be the consequences is really a matter of ignoring the cental issue of the example of devotion/ obedience being ranked above self interest.
Similar to soldiers charging a machingun nest knowing they are likely to die.
Not exactly something their lieutenant want's to order them to do but should it be nessisary can he count on them to obey?
Is their self dicsipline strong enough?

Just seems to be a matter of people losing focus from the idea because it is an example they cannot relate to.

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/8/2008 8:04:47 AM   
colouredin


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Status: offline 		I think the OP was actually asking something totally differant to all of this, If the person has no limits then their answer here is irrelevent because the question was, what if the Dominant "Makes" someone do something , something that she doesnt want to do, in which case has no consent for and is something the submissive doesnt willfully do, in which case thats called assault. 

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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/8/2008 8:13:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: colouredin
I didnt see any mention of gender,

Look a little further up the page, to his previous post.


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RE: "Making" a sub/slave do something... - 3/8/2008 8:14:41 AM   
colouredin


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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

quote:

ORIGINAL: colouredin
I didnt see any mention of gender,

Look a little further up the page, to his previous post.



Ahhh sorry yup i take it back :D


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