tsatske
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I do have another question for you tho, in your dealings with the Downs kids, do you volunteer or get paid? If you get paid, I'm curious if its public monies that fund your work, either direct funding or SSI Disability that is "laundered" by private enterprise (parents of the kids get the govt check, and pay a private co. that pays you). If you are working with the kids on the taxpayer dime, then yes, as someone footing the bill, I do have a say in whether we should allow, as a matter of public policy, continuing procreating behavior that generates more genetically-challenged kids needlessly. Its like the stockholder who reminds the CEO that I don’t work for him, but he works for me.
No, you don't have that right, and I will tell you why I feel that way.
First, I am currently a stay at home pet, because I recently moved to Master. But when I have worked with these kids, in my case, it was in afterschool environments. In Philly, in the after school program of a private school aimed at special needs kids, and in my hometown, with the Y, where special needs kids were mixed with unchallenged kids. But, it really wouldn't matter to you if I got paid or not, even though that is what you asked (oops, I didn't mean to not answer your question - yes, I got paid). Because SOMEONE was getting paid. The parents were paying for afterschool care, although these were kids who lived at home. In Philly, I did watch as one of the girls - not a downs girl, a mentally challenged, tourettes, ADD/ODD child, deteriorated to the point, with her growing and maturing, that her parents had to take her out of the program and quit having her live at home and send her to an appropriate boarding school. But even if it was some church/charity program where EVERYONE was an unpaid volunteer, that would not satisfy your objections, because there would still be expenses, and bills to be paid.
My problem with your objection is rather complex, but I will try to explain it. Yes, most parents with handicapped kids do get government monies. But, lets face it, all they are doing is following rule #1 (if they offer money, take it). You probably would too. Did you turn down your 'Economic incentive' this year?
You also 'foot the bill' for public school. Does that mean you have the absolute right to say who, when and how many kids anyone can have? Even though you not only pay for them to attend school, you make laws (you being a member of the society who is represented by a government that you helped select) saying they MUST go to school, therefore accepting that money is not even an option, its a law. Yes, there are ways around it, but they are either cumbersome or expensive, and to insure that only people not planning to use the public school system, or other socialist aspects of our society, procreate, you are going to have to get VERY involved in who receives a license to reproduce.
Here's the thing. You (as a member of the society who is represented by a government of your choosing) chose to offer this money. Now, it is perfectly valid to chose to stop offering it - although this, being a Democracy, you may find some resistance from others who belive in offering that money, and not just the recipients. But, you'll just have to use the Democratic process like everyone else and try to push your view through. Nothing wrong with that. But, if you quit offering the money, that is fine.
But telling someone, 'Hey, I was going to pay you to do that' or even, 'I have a history of paying you to do that, so therefore I have the right to tell you NOT to do it', is ludicrous. Imagine me walking up to you on the street and saying, 'Hey, I was thinking about giving everyone who rides a motorcycle $100 this year, but I've rethought it, and I don't actually approve of motorcycles. So, as someone who WAS planning to give you money, I have the right to demand that you never ride another motorcycle!' You'd try and have my ass committed, or walk away and ignore me, more likely.
We have socialist interests in our society. As long as we keep choosing, as a democracy, to do that, that is fine. But they don't give us the right to tell people how to live, because we happen to be handing out money. It gives us the right to quit handing out money - and that is all.
The Constitution gives the Federal Government, in the vast majority of cases, only ONE way to attempt to control states - give them money, or withhold money you were offering. The federal government, for instance, can not tell states what the speed limit should be - but it can offer money to help maintain roads, and then say, you can only have that money if you use our ideal speed limit.
And, yes, people could turn down the money. But aside from the fact that people generally do not break rule number 1 (Some people do. I am a Mentally Ill person, and I do not receive disability. Not because I think it is wrong for anyone else, but because I believe that disability comes with rules <don't succeed at a job, for instance> that are not conducive to ME maintaining the highest level of mental health that I can manage). But other than it being counterintuitive to break rule #1, it is also not generally useful, most of the time, where the government is concerned. The government does not tend to say, 'Here is money, you can have it if you X,Y,Z'; they say, 'Here, have some money. Oh, btw, we gave some people some money, now everybody X,Y,Z or your going to jail, rather you were one of the ones who took the money or not'. In some cases, that makes sense and is necessary, but not always. So, yes, they take the money, because whatever control is going to be handed down is going to be there rather they take the money or not.
And, no, I do not think you have the right to tell people who can have kids, - although you do have every right to lobby for law changes to change to whom you give socialist support and money to. Just my opinion, of course.
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Oh boy .... when did HUNDREDS of years become "pretty quick" ? all those issues and problems occure after generations of breeding back to the original sire or dame. 
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