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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 4/27/2008 7:58:21 PM   
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Put a pretty name on it if you want..there are reasons Incest is illegal. They knew their relationship was illegal, they decided to go ahead, they have to take responsiblity for their actions and that includes legally. The child however who issued from this is an innocent who will also bear some responsibility as she may now carry a double recessive that she can pass on as well to her children.
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Main Entry:sod·omy Pronunciation: \ˈsä-də-mē\ Function:noun Etymology:Middle English, from Anglo-French sodomie, from Late Latin Sodoma Sodom; from the homosexual proclivities of the men of the city in Genesis 19:1–11Date:13th centuryanal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal



Prior to 1962, sodomy was a felony in every state, punished by a lengthy term of  imprisonment and/or hard labor.

AND if it wasnt for the supreme count (Lawerence vs Texas) in 2003 Sodomy would still be illilegal in most states (including Florida) and YES people were still getting arrested for it till that time.

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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 4/27/2008 8:37:13 PM   
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I never expected this to be an easy topic for debate, on the contrary I think it is one of the harder.
For those who feel Incest is wrong because it illegal bear in mind that laws change. Sometimes the laws are morally wrong. Sometimes you have to break the law to make a point. Don't misunderstand what I'm saying as I am in no way suggesting we throw laws out the door and adopt a complete anarchy. Look at history and the struggles of those who had to fight against unfair laws to earn their rights.
Legality does not equal morality. There are those that say that sadomasochism is abuse whter it is consenual or not. People are known to get hurt during lifestyle practices but I don't see anyone here screaming that we are all evil because we smack our loved ones or are not mentally stable because we let ourselves be smacked. Look at what we do and waht they do and tell me there isn't some sort of double standard going on here.

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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 4/27/2008 8:54:15 PM   
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A lot of people would say the same thing about you and your relationship choices, and what you enjoy.

I don't think it's your job to cast stones at others actions you find gross.

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That is just fucking nasty Fucking inbreeds

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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 4/27/2008 9:01:53 PM   
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And I believe I read somewhere an artical about their 2 child law, had screwed up the marriable economy cause there were more girls availible than men, and men were resorting to kidnapping.

I don't know though it's been years since I red the article.
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Please remember that China imposed a mandatory law that no family could have more than 2 children and enforced it sucessfully for many years.

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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 4/27/2008 9:24:18 PM   
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I agree they are 2 adults making there own beds, its not like father and child (under 18). I think we are all into incest rather we want to belebe it or not. I think the gov should stay out of there lives. you know the gov wont do that its just to easy!!

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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 4/27/2008 9:25:18 PM   
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Children and others will be cruel little beings no matter if your inbred or not. I'm adopted, I was a good student, I was quiet, I was over weight, I was friends with the gay outcast boy in highschool, ect ect, I've been tormented my whole life by other children  while I was in school I had one fellow student in my class stomp on my glasses and twist t hem under his heel in an attempt to break them. Yes, he was old enough to know better, no he didn't care that my glasses were expensive and cost lots to repair. I've had my hair ripped out, I've had my eye blackend, I've had my possessions distroyed and stolen, all by kids my own age, and in my own home, when I lived in group homes. Didn't matter that I didn't do anything, didn't matter I was just a convinent target for their rage.  and now as an adult those same kids that tormented me just grew up to be evil bastard adults who're still tormenting people.  You can't choose not to have kids just cause they might be tormented cause mommy and daddy are biologically related.

It never matters what you do or don't do. if someone is inclined to pick on you  and terrorize you they will.


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So long as children are not brought into it, and I only say that due to the cruelity of other people and children passing judgment on the children themselves, BD


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Inbreeding gets nasty pretty quickly. Take show dogs... Dalmatians have a high risk of deafness, German Shepherds have a tendency for hip problems, and Bulldogs can't even give birth naturally. (Or so the vet said)

This is why it's illegal... and I really wish I could draw one of those little Punnett square things on this post... makes it easier to explain.







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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 4/27/2008 9:35:12 PM   
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Ouch! I never had it that bad, but I was the class freak so I can sympathize. Its sad that people can feel such animosity towards one another.

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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 4/27/2008 9:42:10 PM   
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the class freak ? Well then what was I? Ater 5 years old I quit growing up I just started growing out. No matter who you are, what you look like, who your with, who your not with there will always be someone out there that wont like you and will make your life a living hell. beleve Me i know

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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 4/27/2008 9:47:41 PM   
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Amen sister. Because we are all different I feel it is impossible for everyone to be liked by everybody. I would like to see a world where at the very least we can agree to disagree. Maybe I am just to much of an idealist though.

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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 4/27/2008 9:50:15 PM   
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If you want a would like that then lay down and go back to sleep it will only be in dream land. This world is to much out of controll..

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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 4/27/2008 10:01:58 PM   
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If you are going to respond to anything I say please, next time, quote me in whole... What I said was, "So long as children are not brought into it, and I only say that due to the cruelity of other people and children passing judgment on the children themselves, I fully support how anyone wants to live their lives. Hell who are we to judge what makes another happy, so long as it doesn't interfer with our own pursuits."

This is my OPINION, right or wrong it is mine. This is what I think and how I feel - I did not even say I condemed them due to their having a child or childrenI just can not support how they live their life when it effects another being that has no control over it. That is just not fair.

I have friends that would never get involved in an interracial relationship for that same reason, would you tell them they are wrong? Now if you can get all of society to accept everyone, no matter what their life choices are please start with someone else.

And I too formed this opinion while being tormented, harressed and bullied most of my life for reasons that had nothing to do with me but because of my parents & I was in foster care and group homes too.

Blessed be and go in peace
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edited to add - your right they ( bullies) will pick on you no matter what if they choose tobut there is no reason to paint a target on your kids back- at best be discret and not the town gossip.
and as for my own past bullies- they have grown up- a few have died, a few more have apologized and the rest have gotten what they deserve in this life from what I heard. We all must reap what we sow- even if the harvest is 10 years after the planting- karma does not have an experation it transends lifetimes.

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Children and others will be cruel little beings no matter if your inbred or not. I'm adopted, I was a good student, I was quiet, I was over weight, I was friends with the gay outcast boy in highschool, ect ect, I've been tormented my whole life by other children  while I was in school I had one fellow student in my class stomp on my glasses and twist t hem under his heel in an attempt to break them. Yes, he was old enough to know better, no he didn't care that my glasses were expensive and cost lots to repair. I've had my hair ripped out, I've had my eye blackend, I've had my possessions distroyed and stolen, all by kids my own age, and in my own home, when I lived in group homes. Didn't matter that I didn't do anything, didn't matter I was just a convinent target for their rage.  and now as an adult those same kids that tormented me just grew up to be evil bastard adults who're still tormenting people.  You can't choose not to have kids just cause they might be tormented cause mommy and daddy are biologically related.

It never matters what you do or don't do. if someone is inclined to pick on you  and terrorize you they will.


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So long as children are not brought into it, and I only say that due to the cruelity of other people and children passing judgment on the children themselves, BD


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Inbreeding gets nasty pretty quickly. Take show dogs... Dalmatians have a high risk of deafness, German Shepherds have a tendency for hip problems, and Bulldogs can't even give birth naturally. (Or so the vet said)

This is why it's illegal... and I really wish I could draw one of those little Punnett square things on this post... makes it easier to explain.








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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 4/27/2008 10:24:23 PM   
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Oh, I agree about being discreet.
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Blessed be and go in peace
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edited to add - your right they ( bullies) will pick on you no matter what if they choose tobut there is no reason to paint a target on your kids back- at best be discret and not the town gossip.
and as for my own past bullies- they have grown up- a few have died, a few more have apologized and the rest have gotten what they deserve in this life from what I heard. We all must reap what we sow- even if the harvest is 10 years after the planting- karma does not have an experation it transends lifetimes.

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Children and others will be cruel little beings no matter if your inbred or not. I'm adopted, I was a good student, I was quiet, I was over weight, I was friends with the gay outcast boy in highschool, ect ect, I've been tormented my whole life by other children  while I was in school I had one fellow student in my class stomp on my glasses and twist t hem under his heel in an attempt to break them. Yes, he was old enough to know better, no he didn't care that my glasses were expensive and cost lots to repair. I've had my hair ripped out, I've had my eye blackend, I've had my possessions distroyed and stolen, all by kids my own age, and in my own home, when I lived in group homes. Didn't matter that I didn't do anything, didn't matter I was just a convinent target for their rage.  and now as an adult those same kids that tormented me just grew up to be evil bastard adults who're still tormenting people.  You can't choose not to have kids just cause they might be tormented cause mommy and daddy are biologically related.

It never matters what you do or don't do. if someone is inclined to pick on you  and terrorize you they will.


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ORIGINAL: BoundDown


So long as children are not brought into it, and I only say that due to the cruelity of other people and children passing judgment on the children themselves, BD


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Inbreeding gets nasty pretty quickly. Take show dogs... Dalmatians have a high risk of deafness, German Shepherds have a tendency for hip problems, and Bulldogs can't even give birth naturally. (Or so the vet said)

This is why it's illegal... and I really wish I could draw one of those little Punnett square things on this post... makes it easier to explain.








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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 4/27/2008 11:14:21 PM   
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as I read this thread I couldn't help but wonder why are most people condoning such obviously "Icky" behavior??

real life father daughter marriages?  real life brother /sister sexual connnections?? are ok and even "meant to be" in most peoples eyes on here and I have to say WOW!!! and WTF???

just because people have been breaking the rules throughout the generations does not mean this kind of behavior is ok.  for pete's sake did anyone notice the daughter in the program had TWO other children to raise, they were all saying just the right thing for the camera but tell me does anyone doubt that once the school mates of the 2 adolescents see the program their lives will be unbearable.  PARENTS are suppose to be the living example of how to a decent upstanding life. Or at the freakin least they should try their best to do right by their prageny.  the "Daughter/father" couple pretend their love makes it all ok.   but just because you care and lust after someone is no reason to throw all moral/societal/ and legal laws out the window.  It is not OK to do as you want to do just because you are an adult. 

as for the people who keep going on and on about well they did not really know one another, are u crazy!!!! just because your father was absent doe not mean that if you come across them and happen to "connect and feel drawn to them emotionally and physically" it is fine to act on those feelings.  So in case u've been told differently listen up, it is wrong to kiss, feel up, and fuck anyone you are directly related to by blood.  not bcause you may have kids, not because you may get arrested and not even because I say so, it is just WRONG.  if you need more than that you should seek professional help because you are on the brink of losing your soul and mind.  love does not justify immoral actions and people need to grow up and realize just because it feels good doesn't mean it is ok. 

I as you can read in My profile I am far from conservative, but in no way is fucking your father or brother the same as spanking someone or PRETENDING to be their "mommy". 


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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 4/28/2008 7:48:16 AM   
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Wow for someone who is an "expert" at intellectual discourse, your (highlighted) argument lacks real substance. It's just wrong because it's wrong; whoa you really hit the mark on that one. we have all now seen the errors of our way and will become as closed minded now as the ones that condem WIITWD and will now live vanilla lives. My bi-sexuality is HEALED! I am no longer plagued with longings to eat pussy.
Yeah right.
A majority of the ignorant say the same thing about you and me, that how we live our lives is wrong! AND as a christan it is even worse when we are poly-minded, as "marriage" is a union between 1 man and 1woman (not to mention it is the MAN that is suppose to lead the christan home)

My point is that anyone can judge and condem another for how they are wired or wish to live their life, but in the end does any of it really matter what anyone thinks. IMO, no: Opinions are like asholes; everyone has one, and most of them stink.


Blessed be and go in peace
BD
(whose soul and mind are perfectly fine, and possibly better than most)




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as I read this thread I couldn't help but wonder why are most people condoning such obviously "Icky" behavior??

real life father daughter marriages?  real life brother /sister sexual connnections?? are ok and even "meant to be" in most peoples eyes on here and I have to say WOW!!! and WTF???

just because people have been breaking the rules throughout the generations does not mean this kind of behavior is ok.  for pete's sake did anyone notice the daughter in the program had TWO other children to raise, they were all saying just the right thing for the camera but tell me does anyone doubt that once the school mates of the 2 adolescents see the program their lives will be unbearable.  PARENTS are suppose to be the living example of how to a decent upstanding life. Or at the freakin least they should try their best to do right by their prageny.  the "Daughter/father" couple pretend their love makes it all ok.   but just because you care and lust after someone is no reason to throw all moral/societal/ and legal laws out the window.  It is not OK to do as you want to do just because you are an adult. 

as for the people who keep going on and on about well they did not really know one another, are u crazy!!!! just because your father was absent doe not mean that if you come across them and happen to "connect and feel drawn to them emotionally and physically" it is fine to act on those feelings.  So in case u've been told differently listen up, it is wrong to kiss, feel up, and fuck anyone you are directly related to by blood.  not bcause you may have kids, not because you may get arrested and not even because I say so, it is just WRONG.  if you need more than that you should seek professional help because you are on the brink of losing your soul and mind.  love does not justify immoral actions and people need to grow up and realize just because it feels good doesn't mean it is ok. 

I as you can read in My profile I am far from conservative, but in no way is fucking your father or brother the same as spanking someone or PRETENDING to be their "mommy". 



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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 4/28/2008 11:12:32 AM   
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Put a pretty name on it if you want..there are reasons Incest is illegal. poenkitten


Main Entry:sod·omy

Prior to 1962, sodomy was a felony in every state, punished by a lengthy term of  imprisonment and/or hard labor.



Yes I am aware of the definition of the word sodomy and quite a few other words as well for the things that we do. I am also very aware of the legalities of the majority of them in Florida if not the rest of this country. The majority of them have little basis in genetics and incest does. It has been proven not only in animals but in humans throughout the ages.

More over the close inter-breeding of closed communities has some major drawbacks that are being tested for genetically today if you can afford the test. While various genetic disorders may be found throughout the population the incidence within certain groups that intermarry and are regionally or religiously segregated tends to be higher..for example Sephardic Disorders among the Jewish Population include higher incidences of Beta-Thalassemia,  Familial Mediterranean Fever, G6PD Deficiency, Glycogen Storage Disorder, Type III. Generally among the children of African American extraction they will look for symptoms of Sickle-Cell Anemia long before they think to look for it in the children of Norwegian Caucasian extraction. Segregation of populations by regional terrain, (Island Populations, Mountains, etc) contribute to inter-marriage within that region and re-enforcment of genetic traits good and bad. No matter how far back you go unless there has been periodic insertion of fresh genes to the gene pool via marriage outside the region, war and conquest, etc. you are going to find common ancestors in a specific region along with the problems it brings.

I doubt they are going to legalize incest anytime in the near future.

Additionally, as I tried to point out, I object to everything getting a psychological by-pass. Name a problem and some psychologist can give it a trendy name and take it on 60 minutes or Oprah and make it sound legitimate. We have the Twinky Defense, the Video Game Defense, the TV defense, when people are hauled into court. Children blame their parents for growing up and beating their kids. Bull crack, No One has to do anything just because it was done to them or wasn't done to them. I survived childhood, slightly different from having a good/bad childhood, and yet I made a concious choice not to inflict on my children the things that were inflicted on me. The Shrinks say that I should have had a 98% chance of doing to them what was done to me. I said..Phbbbbbbbbbbbt and raised healthy children DESPITE my child hood. Ther eis no reason under the sun that either of these couples could not have formed, had a healthy father daughter relationship even as adults, KNOWING that they were related and that it was illegal. They made a choice to act on their feelings. Some shrink coming along and tagging it with a syndrome and saying they couldn't help themselves is just another way of saying shirk the responsibility for your actions and do what you want. Makes it a lot harder for those with something like Schizophrena to get help, when everyone is doing what they want and finding a shrink to say ..hey it's cool, they are not to blame. 

I wonder what syndrome the teen girls and guys who jumped and beat up the girl in Florida would have been tagged with by Dr. Phil if he had been successful in hauling one of them up onto his show. The Youtube defense anyone?

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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 4/28/2008 1:25:39 PM   
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Actually it is dubbed, the "Violent Girl Syndrom"...theories include that it is caused by the removal of gender identification in current generations.

The "twinky defense" is a joke, but I think the "battered spouse" one has possiblities.
and no one said it was due to anything that they can't "help" it- no they made a choice to go against society- then again so do those that suffer from personality disorders and  psycopathy. There must be accountablity for all, but if it doesn't effect anyone elses life, why give a rats ass.

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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 4/28/2008 2:50:35 PM   
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Actually it is dubbed, the "Violent Girl Syndrom"...theories include that it is caused by the removal of gender identification in current generations.

The "twinky defense" is a joke, but I think the "battered spouse" one has possiblities.
and no one said it was due to anything that they can't "help" it- no they made a choice to go against society- then again so do those that suffer from personality disorders and  psycopathy. There must be accountablity for all, but if it doesn't effect anyone elses life, why give a rats ass.



And once again it is another way of saying we are not responsible for what we do as..society made us do it. Somehow I have a great deal of difficulty buying into the theorem that Cheerleaders are clueless into the differences between the genders. Frankly, there is far too much bombardment of young females regarding sex, fashion, hygene, dating, and money management (his, hers or ours) for me to give much credence to that theory at all. Look around, in the toy aisle, the bookstores, on the bus going by or elsewhere and I suspect you too will laugh at that theory. Can she do anything a Man/Boy can? Sure employment wise, why not, but she can do something he can't and that is incubate another human (which the victim in that drama was) or bleed for 7 days without dying and she knows the difference between male and female. Women have worked alongside man through history including marching behind the Roman troops on their way to war and sitting in the Senate, working just as hard for that excuse to fly.

Yep the Twinky Defense was a joke, BUT it was put up seriuously by the defendant and his lawyer. Battered Spouse syndrome is legitimate as is Post Partum Depression it doesn't stop them fdrom going to jail or accepting responsibility for what they have done.

The M'Naghten Rule basically said a person was not legally insane unless he is "incapable of appreciating his surroundings" because of a powerful mental delusion. That held until the 1950's when the Durham standard came into use modifying it. The Durham standard was a much more lenient guideline for the insanity defense, but it addressed the issue of convicting mentally ill defendants, which was allowed under the M'Naghten Rule. However, the Durham standard drew much criticism because of its expansive definition of legal insanity. The Model Penal Code, published by the American Law Institute, provided a standard for legal insanity that was a compromise between the strict M'Naghten Rule and the lenient Durham ruling. Under the MPC standard, a defendant is not responsible for criminal conduct "if at the time of such conduct as a result of mental disease or defect he lacks substantial capacity either to appreciate the criminality of his conduct or to conform his conduct to the requirements of the law." That got clobbered thanks to the outcry over John Hinkley's being found Not guilty by reason of Insanity in his attempt on Ronald Regan in 1981. Back to M'Naghten Rule for many state and stricter guideline...Upshot, No matter how battered you are, unless you have documented the abuse and attempts to esxcape it numerous times and can show that at the MOMENT you struck you were in eminent fear for your life or the life of your child, you are likely to spend the rest of your life in jail. The Battered Spouse Defense is an uphill battle that is still be fought in the courts.

Those who legitimately suffer from debilitating mental illnesses are often streeted from hospitals with a bag full of pills and no defense in the outside world. When their illness causes them to resort to violence to protect themselves or respond to the demons in their own minds, and they kill or injure another person, they a shuffled through the system, rarely recieving the aid they need or the hospitalization that might help them because the system is already overloaded with  those suffering from Video Violence Incitment or Violent Girl Syndrom or Mild Retardation that caused them not to know it was wrong to grab a child, rape, and suffocate her then conceal the body in a garbage bag and a dumpster. It wasn't their fault, it was the fault of everyone else.

Sorry. These were adults. They knew what they were doing was wrong and said as much in the interview. They are adults and not helpless against their urges. Helpless against the urge to breath yes, helpless against the urge to engage in an incestuous relationship...Umm No. They are not mental handicapped, not suffering from anything other than the simple fact, it was what they wanted to do and the devil take the hindmost. Question what happens if daughter grows up and decides she wants to diddle around with Grandaddy/Dad or her half brother or uncle? Will that be ok too? after all it was good enough for dear ol Mom.

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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 4/28/2008 8:25:24 PM   
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I really do not know how you keep missing my point...
we agree on one thing : We all must be accountable for our own actions.

Where you do not seem to get my point is: how is it yours, mine or anyone elses right to cast judgement on what other people do or choose how to live?

Is some guy  that screws his half sister, that lives in the same building or neighborhood as you, effecting you in any way, shape, or form?

I agree that when children are brought into the mix is a different story, not because of genetics, legality or morality, but because it is subjecting a 3rd party that could not make an informed decision. And that is no fair to the child.

These people are not mentally compromised, if anything I applaud them for makig the decision that was right for them- they are happy- no one is being taken advantage of.
I also understand that considering you experiences you will always see it differently -like many other topics that we have posted on- and thats ok with me because I do not post in any attempts to change your or anyone elses mind.

But no one has been able to defend the point or explain how what others do (in the privacy of their own homes) effects anyone elses not involved in the relationship. Unfortuntely I do not believe loving in a way that is unaccepted by a society, is a justifiable reason to condem anyone. Truthfully for all anyone knows more people could be ok with it and keep silent for fear of being rejected, shunned or suspected of particapating in a similar relationship. Most of the people that are against it don't even know why they have that stance; talk about the herd mentality. Bovine blissfullness.

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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 4/28/2008 8:31:51 PM   
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Well its there lives rather We think its gross or what ever you think about it. I say if they wanna do it then so be it remember that saying "what ever floats your boat"

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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 4/29/2008 7:26:21 AM   
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Actually I have not missed your point and we do agree on accountability to a point.

I have absolutely no problem with the sexual mores of anyone to a point. That point being the harm of another person in the practise of it without their consent (this does include children issued from it or involved in it actively or even passively).

Frankly until these people told family and friends, no one was aware of their familial relationship, and they could have well gone on with their lives un-interupted and beneath the eyes of the law and others until their deaths if they hadn't. However they made a choice to make their relationship known, knowing it could have severe consequences and then turn around and have a psychologist say oh it is a syndrome, they can't help themselves. Poppycock (I rather use something else but that says it, don't want to exhibit Foul Mouth Syndrom). They made an active choice to act on feelings knowing it was illegal to do so and then exposed those actions, had a child, etc and now look to excduse it. Well how many others are going to jump on that bandwagon? I wasn't in her life as a child, she grew up, I can be there now and marry her or vice versa and Oh...it's a syndrome and we can't help it, we are not subject to the same laws everyone else is.

I do object to people not accepting responsibility for what they do, seeking psychological justification or someone/thing to blame other than their own choices. That was and still is my point. That responsibility for what you do. You as adults make a choice, it may be because you find that person attractive, it may be because you warped in the womb or were brought up one way or another, or because you just kink that way, but ultimately it is your CHOICE what you do about it. You make an active choice to do something or not, unlike those who do have a mental illness and are not in control of their actions. Stop trying to make excuses for it, trying to name it a syndrome or use one as a defense, accept responsibility for the choices you make and your actions. That is part and parcel of being an Adult. Where there is legitimate fear for life and limb or legetimate mental illness that is one thing, when it is simply a matter of I chose to do this, and now want to glorify or excuse it..Sorry Charlie.. 

No Violent Girl Syndrome applies to the Florida 8 (two were male), they wanted to do this post it to YouTube and get their 15 minutes of fame. They don't think there is any consequence for what they have done and in fact were joking that they were going to miss Cheerleading Practise that afternoon and probably the Beach that weekend. Having never had a consequence for their past bad actions, they made a choice to do something they knew was wrong and are now surprised that there is a consequence, one that may well destroy their lives.

These people made it a point to bring other people into their bedroom via their need to share the particulars of their relationship. They not only brought friends, family and neighbors in, they brought in the Government who was bound to hear about it, and then the News Cameras, bringing the REST of the World into it as well, while trying to excuse it with a Syndrome.  The government didn't peek in their windows and say..hmmm we want to know everything about your relationship to make sure it is legal until THEY opened the door for them to do so by talking. 

The Florida 8 would probably been arrested for assault and gone through the Juvenile Courts getting probation, a slap on the wrist and community service or max incarceration until they were 21, instead of being set to be tried as Adults, if they had not video'd the entire thing, and literally put their confession on electronic media to upload to YouTube making it a) public knowledge b) nearly impossible for a Lawyer to defend and c) shown just how callous and knowledgable they were about what they did. Now they would like to blame anyone and anything other than their own actions and choice about being involved and posting it.

I love for the Government to stay out of my bedroom...I have a lot of things that are done there that are no ones business but Masters and Mine and anyone directly involved. But then again I also don't take my kink to Walmart and involve others in the practise of it. I don't dance down the aisles wearing leather straps for clothing and a collar and leash while he plunges a dildo in and out of me while we shop. Not for children to see, not dfor stock clerks to see, not for anyone to see save he and me, OR if we go to a club where such actions are encouraged, thee. It doesn't matter that I am a bit of an exhibitionist, time and place for everything if I don't want to involve the law. I make the CHOICE to ignore that and I INVITE the Government and the Law into my bedroom. Stupidity not Syndrome

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