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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 4/29/2008 6:22:10 PM   
BoundDown


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It seems you are only focusing on the father daughter story there was 2 of them, one of which did not involce flaunting their relationship in public, nor have any children involved.

The girls, well they are typical of the times I fear. Youtube is filled with violence of a similiar sort perpetrated on boys by boys, but boys don't run to the cops when they get their asses whooped usually. Personally I wanted to smack that Youtube victum and tell her to at least kick one of their asses, yeah your out numbered but if you take the biggest aggressor down the rest will back off. (just my experience) Of course they don't know that there are consequences to their actions, their mothers are too busy spending their alimony getting botox and looking for their next ex-husband, and daddy is busy raising a new family with his new trophy wife. The issue I raised about gender identification isn't about pom- poms and pretty pretty sparkle ponies. It's that is the quest for "equality" that has been interpreted as being like men, as if woman can not be respected for being ladies anymore.

As for matters of chemistry, hormones, and brain wiring. I am no neurologist, hell even they are not sure how that gelatonous mass works so I will not be so presumptuous as to validate one syndrome while condeming another.
In my opinion there is a huge difference in wanton indulgence for indulgences sake, and indulging your heart because it is what will make your whole and happy.
I can not but help to compare it to other situations where popular opinion or laws deem a certain sexual act or emotional union illegal, so long as it does not violate the rights of anyone outside of the equation. I honestly don't care if a man wants to marry his half sister, his llama,  the twins sisters next door, or another man.

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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 5/3/2008 11:19:04 AM   
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Even though it is not my thing at all, I only see two consenting adults! I think the law of course exists to protect the young and the helpless, and it should be there and be effective. However in both cases the people involved are way over the age of legal consent and I firmly believe the government should not mettle with them.
The law also says that if a guy hits his wife/partner he will be  charged witha ssault etc etc, however as we all know here, the BDSM motto is Safe, Sane, Consentual.. not everybody's cup of tea, to be flogged, or caned, or spanked etc but the two adults involved in that kind of relationship have consented to that; the same with these people...
I say live and let live....

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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 5/3/2008 12:57:51 PM   
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Since they were adults and he did not raise her, I am not really bothered by it. If he raised her or it had started before they were adults, that would have been awful, but as it unfolded, I think it is just weird, not actually bad.  One does have genetic issues with children to worry about, though.

I can't imagine feeling attracted to my relatives, though.  For my life, it squicks me out completely.

< Message edited by beltainefaerie -- 5/3/2008 1:07:28 PM >

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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 5/3/2008 1:06:20 PM   
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As a point of clarification, I heard one psychologist that talked about the syndrome say that acting on it was wrong.  He did not in any way legitimize it. 

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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 5/3/2008 1:23:16 PM   
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well,said,couldnt agree more-so few people have noticed but soon they will be able to watch you in your home,and then your brain eventually-get ready for your pod(made in China)
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ORIGINAL: BlackPhx

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ORIGINAL: OmegaG

If we want to stick to the scientific reasons why inbreeding is not wise then we should also expand our criteria to include non-relatives who also have the same genetic markers.  By going with this argument we are making a strong argument for government intervention with all procreations, which I am strongly opposed to.

Personally, there is a strong ick factor when I think about intimate relations with any of my relations, but I also can't condemn others-- especially in this day and age when they can have sex and take every precaution possible not to pro-create or they can be tested to find out what genetic markers they may pass on.


Please remember that China imposed a mandatory law that no family could have more than 2 children and enforced it sucessfully for many years. It has already happened and they are no longer considered a 3rd world country but instead a major player and have been for many decades. 

Many responsible people do have testing voluntarily for certain genetic markers such as Tay Sachs, Sickle Cell, etc. where they can afford it. This is something that I have no problem with and wish more people would do or could afford to do. At least then they are aware and can make choices based on knowledge not blind hope. The government in many states already sticks it's nose into our relationships, as far as legislating same sex marriages, partnership where it impacts insurance, children and inheritance and of course those lovely blood tests required before they will issue a marriage liscense. Moreover there is mandatory reporting and tracking where it comes to STD's and HIV, and they will contact all of your contacts in pursuit of eradicating an outbreak. They have in the past charged persons with HIV or AIDS with deliberately infecting others as attempted homicides and I suspect this will continue. Yes an episode of Law and Order covered this, but it was based on several actual cases within the Corrections System.

Every day the government sticks it's nose further and further into our private affairs and too often we stand there and watch the rights our forefathers fought for vanish without a whimper. Hell we have even voted them away in fear. George Orwell, Ursula LeGuin and other authors did not go nearly far enough in their predictions. Look around. Big Brother watches from Cameras everywhere (get caught in the intersection by a red light get a ticket in the mail), Carnivore scans our emails, our cars report on our speed, direction etc. if we get into an accident (most 2000+ year cars have a black box that can be read by the police and insurance companies), our browsers report our web habits, credit/debit cards collect spending habits, you name it and Big Brother can get the information about you faster than I can type this. They know what we read, our health, what we eat, dictate where we smoke, who we can and cannot marry and if you think that we really have much say about who we vote for..take a look at the past 2 "stolen" elections. I suspect that all too soon that scanner in Total Recall will be the next step in going into Government Building or taking an Airplane.

Big Brother is here, and has been in our bedrooms for many years..he's just been a much quieter observer, but that is no proof against him become a loud participant at any moment.

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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 5/17/2008 6:52:22 PM   
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I find it incredible, that the so called alternative communities, which should theoretically be more open minded, are in fact, more prejudging then the rest...

Its ok to fist, but scat is imoral. Its ok to f** a fire extinguishor, but not a dog. Ah, ok, for centuries, incest existed, and still exists, as well as domestic abuse. But two people having consensual sexm and growing a family... gross, its as gross as someone doing anal, wowwwww

get out of the f***ing box... stop judging other peoples preferences using your self as a moral standard.


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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 6/1/2008 1:46:16 PM   
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Watch the movie Lonestar

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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 6/2/2008 7:15:21 PM   
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No thank you interbreeding can cause serious disorders in any offspring that is produced these days and studies do show that...it's just wrong in my eyes.

~meticulous~

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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 6/2/2008 7:20:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: meticulousgirl

No thank you interbreeding can cause serious disorders in any offspring that is produced these days and studies do show that...it's just wrong in my eyes.

~meticulous~



it is called flipper babies....

the international symbol when saying the term "flipper babies" is the wave one hand wildly above your head as if attached there.

All of the high society families are so inter bred it isnt funny. look at the Duponts. Yep.. some turned out to be nut jobs. Flipper babie syndrome.

Mind you I have some kissin' cousins.. but Lord knows I would never marry one.. and I stuck to the female half of them. ( no chance for flipper babies < not hand on head> there! )

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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 6/2/2008 7:30:29 PM   
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I agree they are 2 adults making there own beds, its not like father and child (under 18). I think we are all into incest rather we want to belebe it or not. I think the gov should stay out of there lives. you know the gov wont do that its just to easy!!


All into incest? What a stupid fucking statment. You may be into fucking daddy, but I'm certainly not and I don't think I'm the only person on the planet who finds the thought revolting.


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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 6/2/2008 7:56:01 PM   
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There are a lot of laws where the government tells you what you can do with your body.

Prostitution is illegal.  Certain drugs are illegal.  Why is that?  Because the government CAN and WILL tell us what we can and can't do with our own bodies until we tell them they can't any longer.

Also, unlike with drugs, this is NOT a victimless crime.  Imagine what will happen with this child when it is older.

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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 6/4/2008 1:45:27 PM   
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Thinking incest is reprehensible isn't being a moralist, it's having standards. Incest is probably the first human taboo. It is so deeply ingrained it led to the first form of marriage, marriage by capture (wherein in males captured females of a neighboring tribe). Early man didn't know the science, but he knew enough to understand it's better to mate with a female you are not related to.

Anything that is taboo will be practiced and revered by some, this doesn't make it right. It doesn't necessarily make it wrong, either (the anal sex taboo comes to mind).

Although I agree we live in a highly judegemental society, especially when it comes to sex, sometimes you DO have to draw a line in the sand.

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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 6/6/2008 11:58:51 AM   
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I am  not sure why anyone on this list would criticize choices other consenting adults make.
If your against in-breeding your targets might be breeders of dogs, cats, birds, farm animals, etc.  It brings out the best and worst.  Statistically it has no effect on human birth defects, or deaths but massively effects pets.  Unfortunately many pets breeds have had defects such as problematic hips or cancers breed into them. 

There is much more real suffering from animal incest than human incest. 
  Floyd





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RE: Daddy/Daughter on 60 minutes - 6/21/2008 8:38:50 AM   
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I always find that it is interesting to hear about how incest brings about babies with so many mental and pyshical defects. Yet I see far more that have worse defects and they are childern of two "normal" non related adults.  Give me a friggin' break!  Too many are too quick to push off the blame onto reasons that they have no idea at all about.
I know a couple that are 100% healthy,their parents are 100% healthy,,same goes for grandparents,,yet they gave birth to two babies with Downs. Another couple,same health issues, had twins with mental defects. ....................where do you place the blame for those????

The crimes and taboos of incest were started long long ago and are still being pushed around today by far too many people.  If it is not effecting you personally,,,keep out of their private affiars, Would you want others to slam you for what you enjoy privately?

Me? I am all for love either non related or incest....what the hell does it matter as long as the ones involved are consenting and deeply love and care for each other.

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