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RE: Forum Changes - 10/13/2005 11:05:23 AM   
sub4hire


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Status: offline 		Many are outraged. Many of us are trying to do something about it.

Yet, in the meantime you must comply. No way around it.

Perhaps you should join those of us who care about our rights as United States
citizens and try to make a change.

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/13/2005 11:42:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am so sorry that this is happening, I hope that if there is anything we can do to help you, you will ask.

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/13/2005 12:18:17 PM   
KittenWithaTwist


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Status: offline 		I may also be living under a rock, but from what I looked up on the net, the UN is attempting to take over "control" of the Internet, and it is...well...a heavily editorialized issue. But, as far as I can tell, the only areas affected by this current situation are China and public libraries in the US.

Does anyone have more info on this issue? I have already looked at the ACLU, CNN, Time, and google.

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/13/2005 12:38:28 PM   
caitlyn


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RE: Forum Changes - 10/13/2005 12:52:34 PM   
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Swap servers to a country where it is legal...


Only if they are willing to move too. At least one of the raided companies had done just that but the authorities felt they could act because the company's principles were resident in the US


Yup..... That's of no consequence to Gonzales and the neocons, they'd still come after ya and bring down the hammer.



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RE: Forum Changes - 10/13/2005 12:53:27 PM   
JohnWarren


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ORIGINAL: KittenWithaTwist

I may also be living under a rock, but from what I looked up on the net, the UN is attempting to take over "control" of the Internet, and it is...well...a heavily editorialized issue. But, as far as I can tell, the only areas affected by this current situation are China and public libraries in the US.

Does anyone have more info on this issue? I have already looked at the ACLU, CNN, Time, and google.


UN? You mean the United Nations? In each of the cases you mentioned it is the country's federal government that's stamping down on freedom.


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RE: Forum Changes - 10/13/2005 12:58:15 PM   
frenchpet


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UN? You mean the United Nations? In each of the cases you mentioned it is the country's federal government that's stamping down on freedom.


I bet this fact (that the UN will take control of the interent) is well explained in the documentary Left Behind... Seriously, if you want to know what control of the internet means, check what the situation is like in China. That could give an idea of how it will be soon (if the situation worsens, which of course I hope not).

< Message edited by frenchpet -- 10/13/2005 1:02:29 PM >

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/13/2005 1:00:45 PM   
KittenWithaTwist


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Status: offline 		It's unconstitutional to make the United States as censored as China. We have a lot more laws in place than a communist government, to protect the people of this country. I doubt (or hope) that the most conservative Supreme Court Judge would decide to eradicate the Bill of Rights.

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/13/2005 1:35:03 PM   
Soulhuntre


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ORIGINAL: RainGod
I am sorry if this is going to offend anyone, but does this not seem alot like the beginnings of Fascism? Is the State now to decide for us all what is and what is not wholesome viewing material? By whose standards will things be decided?


No, it doesn't.

Look, censorship is a problem... but it sure didn't start with this administration nor is it uniquely bad at this moment in time compared to all of US history. These things ebb and flow. Do we need to resist? Yes. Do we need to fight? Yes. But this isn't the beginning of the end or close to it.

The state has been making judgments on what is and isn't protected by the constitution for a long, long time and "obscene" material has been exempt from 1st amendment protectionf or quite a bit of that time. This standards (obsceneity being outside the constitution) is something that has been pushed and supported by both the far left and the far right with many of the more disturbing changes happening during "liberal" administrations.

More thoughts on the topic are in this blog entry.

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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren
quote:

ORIGINAL: KittenWithaTwist
Does anyone have more info on this issue? I have already looked at the ACLU, CNN, Time, and google.

UN? You mean the United Nations? In each of the cases you mentioned it is the country's federal government that's stamping down on freedom.


The UN and European countries are indeed attemptiong to wrest control of the Internet's main infrastructure away from the US and to allow them to do so would be a huge, monstrous error. For all our internal problems the UN is without a doubt one of the most corrupt, pointless and least capable organizations on the planet. Giving them more control over a strategic US asset would be naive at best and economically disasterous in most probability.

As the UN spirals down into its complete marginalization and it becomes more and more clear it has no "independant" voice but is in fact simply a tool for corruption and power brokering it will try and get more and more control and subservience from the US. With any luck we will retain our soveriegn ability to control and defend our strategic assets and policies.

(BTW - I am not a Black Helicopter type, this isnt a conspiracy it's just what happens when you let a >lot< of politicians (the UN) get together unchecked and tell them they are the chosen leaders of the world).


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RE: Forum Changes - 10/13/2005 1:54:33 PM   
Phoenixandnika


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Status: offline 		This law was made with the best of intentions, however; in the long run I do not see it doing its intended job. We as voters can make an impact by contacting local and federal represenative. Granted this law is in the eyes of many unfair and borderline unconstitutional and very much a pain to many servers and sites, however these are people that were elected to protect us a whole.

I wonder how many who rant about his law and others that are passed do not even bother to vote or be involved in other opportunities to control how and who is control of our goverment.

Our goverment has its flaws, and yes at times its laws are well barbaric but again even with all its flaws it could be 1000 times worse.

If the mods need any help backing up things or if I can help please contact me.

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/13/2005 2:21:33 PM   
MagicKnots


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Status: offline 		Well, here I was ready to rant and rave about the missing forums. I had a great big head of steam built up and was just trying to find the right place to vomit it all over the right post when I found it.

Damn.

I read all the posts on this one and then did a little searching on-line for more discussion groups on this topic. I'm no longer angry. To be quite honest, I'm very, very sad and quite disturbed.

I served my country for 12 years in the service. My brother did the same for 10 years. My father did the same for 4 years and gave his life. All of us were doing what we thought was the best thing we could do to defend our "way of life" and the freedoms we all enjoy. Is this how we are repaid?

It is a crying shame that with the turmoil spreading throughout the world that so many valuable and precious resources are being wasted, yes WASTED, on this.

With that said, I have one prediction to make. Bush has the opportunity to put 2 justices on the Supreme Court. How many of you think this witch-hunt will end here? I believe we are at the beginning of a HUGE shift in justice system that will have dire consequences for years to come.

quote:

ORIGINAL: RainGod
I love My country, but My government is wrong, wrong, wrong.


I couldn't have said it any better myself.

J


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RE: Forum Changes - 10/13/2005 2:30:55 PM   
JohnWarren


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ORIGINAL: frenchpet

quote:

ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

UN? You mean the United Nations? In each of the cases you mentioned it is the country's federal government that's stamping down on freedom.


I bet this fact (that the UN will take control of the interent) is well explained in the documentary Left Behind... Seriously, if you want to know what control of the internet means, check what the situation is like in China. That could give an idea of how it will be soon (if the situation worsens, which of course I hope not).


I lived in China... check the dissertation "Chinese Television News: Both Foreign and Domestic" by John Warren, University of Tennessee (Knoxville) 1985.

Government control is not UN control. Actually, the ones most in favor of government control would fight tooth and nail to keep the UN out of it.

In any case, it's a hypothesis, not a fact and the "documentary" is actually thinly disguised right wing religious proganda about the "end of days" (that people have expected to arrive any day for 2000 years.)



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RE: Forum Changes - 10/13/2005 2:36:33 PM   
JohnWarren


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ORIGINAL: KittenWithaTwist

It's unconstitutional to make the United States as censored as China. We have a lot more laws in place than a communist government, to protect the people of this country. I doubt (or hope) that the most conservative Supreme Court Judge would decide to eradicate the Bill of Rights.


I have a copy of the Constitution of the People's Republic. They have just about as much protection in their constitution as we do in ours. The difference in the past was in the US the government actually paid lip service to the Constitution. I'm afraid things are changing.

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/13/2005 5:57:18 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Where in China?

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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

I lived in China.


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RE: Forum Changes - 10/13/2005 6:08:29 PM   
anthrosub


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Status: offline 		I guess the other George was on to something when he wrote 1984. Welcome the world of George (Big Brother) Bush. Only three years left to enjoy his idea of what "freedom" loving Americans want out of life.

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/13/2005 6:22:19 PM   
subversiveone


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Damn. I keep finding out I have more and more in common with this guy every day.

Where in China?

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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

I lived in China.




Me too, Hey John, Go Vols!!

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/13/2005 6:34:19 PM   
felineone


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Status: offline 		i have something very serious to say to John and subversiveone...............


GEAUX TIGERS!!!


especially after the sad ending to that last game:(




back to the topic
it all comes down to defining "indecent".. something that has been debated for centuries. And i beleive that Collarme is one of the more "tasteful" bdsm sites.
in my humble opinion anyway.
i too find it sad that it has come to this, and i am usually pretty conservative polically.

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/13/2005 9:48:55 PM   
Soulhuntre


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ORIGINAL: MagicKnots
With that said, I have one prediction to make. Bush has the opportunity to put 2 justices on the Supreme Court. How many of you think this witch-hunt will end here? I believe we are at the beginning of a HUGE shift in justice system that will have dire consequences for years to come.


There is no indication that Justice Roberts it at all wishy washy on the issue of the First amendment, and we have no idea what the current candidate will do with it yet. The court (depite past dire predictions of doom) has so far had a very good track record on such issues with the exception of "child porn" paranoia.

There is, in short, no reason to predict such "dire consequences" in the near or far future with respect to the supreme court.

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/13/2005 9:53:23 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		Well, Soulhuntre, normally I agree with you, but I can't agree with THAT. This has been the worst court since FDR, possibly the worst court ever. And it's only getting worse.

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/13/2005 11:09:26 PM   
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