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RE: Forum Changes - 10/13/2005 11:59:35 PM   
JohnWarren


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Mod 1
All My Writings are
Copywrited, registered
and Trademarked and
break no law of the USA.
Send Me a copy of your
threat I shall fight this
in Court for My right to
post My works on this
server. That is if Your
ready to fight...........
Mistress Dread


There is already a suit in place spearheaded by Barbara Nitke. If you'd like to help, contact NCSF http://www.ncsfreedom.org/

They can use all the help they can get in this political climate

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/14/2005 1:20:01 AM   
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ThankYou John
I wasent aware
as Ive been away
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RE: Forum Changes - 10/14/2005 8:09:57 AM   
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Well, Soulhuntre, normally I agree with you, but I can't agree with THAT. This has been the worst court since FDR, possibly the worst court ever. And it's only getting worse.


I haven't found much I don't like in the last 5-10 years about this court. Granted it isn't perfect (no court is) but it has done some cool stuff.

Do you have any specific instances or cases in mind? Specifically for me I like...

Kyllo v. United States - the Court held that thermal imaging of a suspects home constituted a search

Lawrence v. Texas - stuck down the criminalization of sodomy

Virginia v. Black - held that "cross burning" with intent to threaten or intimidate was not protected, but specifically did not ban "cross burning" itself when the intent was political speech




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RE: Forum Changes - 10/14/2005 9:01:27 AM   
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How about the 2000 election, Soulhuntre? Have you read Ronald Dworkin's analysis of that decision?

Edited to add: Here is the original piece. Eventually it was expanded as part of a book that Dworkin edited, called A Badly Flawed Election.

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/14/2005 11:46:13 AM   
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We should all hurry up and colonize MARS. Somewheres Freedom of Speech and Expression should be allowed.

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/14/2005 11:51:30 AM   
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It could then be "the well-read planet."

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/14/2005 11:58:27 AM   
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We should all hurry up and colonize MARS. Somewheres Freedom of Speech and Expression should be allowed.


Actually, the more hostile the environment the more authoritian (even if it is "group norms") the social control tends to be. Best to try to clean up the mess down here.

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/14/2005 12:33:18 PM   
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It could then be "the well-read planet."


That was cute! Anyway, on to what I'd really like to say.

Everyone seems to be outraged about all of this, and it's very reasonable. I probably should be as well. However, I can't help but feel much except disappointed. Outrage denotes an element of surprise, and frankly, I have none for the lengths that the federal government will go to gain control. It makes me a little sick, a little angry, and very sad, but certainly not surprised. I wanted to share the following with you. I wrote it in my diary when I was sixteen, and I swear, your ...cough... Honor, that's it's not pornographic in nature.

Why do we voluntarily exist in a place where knowledge is taxable and words can be prevented? Red, white, and blue are beginning to fade. I only hope that we can patch it over with something better, something that radiates more truly as opposed to this glitter gilded nothing packaged in a fancy box and labeled the land of the free, addressed by the man for the people. We shall build a place where freedom does not have a price and ideas are not bought and sold, but shared for better visioin. This paper we put so much faith in, be it money or a constitution, has crumbled in the wake of what we've done with it. They try to deny us our freedoms, our words, but only with our words will we ever overcome.

I thought that was slightly appropos. It was written after they wouldn't let me write my English paper on a specific topic, because it was "too controversial". I thought it was apt in the circumstance, though.

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/14/2005 12:51:08 PM   
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throughout this nations history...there have been so-called..rightious I know better how you should live than you do people in positions of power and authority...also throughout this nations history..there has been an ebb and flow from right to left and back again...with each shift..the changes remove more..if even a word from a sentence...as a whole we've survived...most go underground until the air is clean enough to breath again...even though that air may now be smog..and we cough and weeze...at least we can still breath...so with this...as much as a distaste for censorship as I have...I don't quite see this as an end...just a new beginning...after all...even in the worst of times...when all is bleak and days are as dark as night...the minds of the strong find ways to reilluminate...someway..somehow...if the most dire happenstance befall us...my only hope...that along with me...the other voices that feel as strongly as I do...don't just say the right words and act the right way...but actually get up...and become the light of innovative thinking...that's finds new ways to adapt and overcome...Mod 1...you've got my full and wholehearted support...

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/14/2005 1:10:49 PM   
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This lifestyle is supposed to be all about rules. Setting rules, following rules, enforcing rules. Now we have attention on us. New rules are being set, old rules are being re-interpreted and our sandbox is starting to be filled with more cat turds. We have had this sandbox (aka "the Internet") for a relatively short time. Thanks to its inventor, Al Gore (loser of the court appointed presidency of 2000), we can search and find instantly everything from a recipe for Yak stew, to directions to grandma's. For a relatively inexpensive price.

I remember the same thing happening when Rudy took over as mayor in NYC. We all loved him. First - he got rid of the squeegee people and panhandlers. We always suspected a "Solent Green" solution, but however he did it, they disappeared overnight. Then he started on Times Square. Seemingly overnight it went from Dante's Inferno to Disney. Once again, the drug dealers, and hookers disappeared. Although it was a little inconvenient we appreciated that we could now take our out of town business clients back into that part of the city and we didn't need to hire a bodyguard to go to the theater.

How did he do it? He didn't create new laws, he just selectively enforced the laws on the books. "Quality of Life" crimes they were called, and most of us loved him for it. In my opinion what we are going through now is a direct result of a football game a couple of January's ago. When Janet decided to step over the line during the Super-bowl and show her metal encrusted nipple, the "quality of life" crimes on the Internet and on all media are now under greater scrutiny. I believe that without that focal point, this avalanche of enforcement wouldn't be happening. After that "wardrobe malfunction" all the erosion of archaic puritanical laws were re-fortified, stronger then it ever was. If that 6 seconds of TV didn't happen there would be no "smoking gun". But it happened in prime time, on a show that 60% of the US population saw and the other 40% said they did. Whether you realize or accept it, our libertine attitudes are in the minority. Now anytime you argue with some right wing religious wacko about the stupidity of enforcing their beliefs they could point to that day and say; "I want my children protected from seeing a naked breast when they tune into a nice wholesome football game."

Now if that kid was in SF a couple weekends ago and walked down Folsom street he could have more tits/ass/and cocks live and in person than a med student does on his first day of giving physicals for the incoming freshman at UCLA. Why weren't the police there? They were! In fact if you look at the pictures that we took, beth is at their "recruit booth" that they had there that day. But is wasn't on prime time TV. It wasn't forced upon people not wanting or expecting to see nudity. It had "gone too far!". Previously there was nothing to point to defining over the line. Since - that incident became the definition.

What's the point? CM is a great site. It's free! Guess what, it may be gone soon. If there is a "wardrobe malfunction" that brings attention it may be sooner as opposed to later. From personal experience being "right" is a quantitative decision to make based upon finances. Fighting and winning in court can bankrupt you whether you win or lose. In this situation, the results that the morality police desire are achieved either way. It's why Howard Stern is going to satellite, why a TV show can't show naked butts like they did on NYPD Blue, and why offshore shell companies are being set up for Internet sites.

I belong to and contribute to the NCSF. They are the only organized counter force. Sure they are fighting but guess what, in this environment they are picking their fights VERY selectively and for good reason. WE ARE THE MINORITY! We don't have the financial ability to stand up to the morality police backed by religious institutions that don't pay taxes.

A solution? Bunker? Don't bring attention? It's a little too late for that. What's needed is use of the same laws, and obeying the ones that are in force as best as possible. Does that mean that this site has to go to being a pay-site? Pity, but maybe. Will that mean that fewer people find out about this lifestyle? Perhaps, but it won't go away. We need to have responsibility for our actions. We need to be aware of what we are up against and be pragmatic about the fights we chose to fight. Following rules should be what we do best!

The owners/moderators of CM are doing a great job. I doubt they can do more. I hope their efforts aren't futile. For a lot of us, it won't matter. We'll miss the intellectual and political debates and maybe we'll never see the "Holy Grail" answer to the eternal question of slave v. submissive; but somehow we'll manage. We'll still live our lives in the manner we choose. We'll still have our friends to share it. We can still get on the phone and invite them over to a party. We can hope this is just a long swing of a pendulum, which somehow/someway will swing the other way again someday. But I think we have to push as much as we can, where we can, how we can. At the very least, buy a $5 NCFS flag pin next time you see them at a lifestyle event.

(edited for typos)

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/14/2005 1:23:03 PM   
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Actually, Al Gore didn't invent the internet. It was a bit of right-wing propaganda, ca. 2000, to spread the word that Al Gore claimed credit for inventing the internet when it should have been clear that it wasn't his doing. The plan backfired, obviously, because to this day some people think he really did invent the internet after all.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Thanks to its inventor, Al Gore (loser of the court appointed presidency of 2000), we can search and find instantly everything from a recipe for Yak stew, to directions to grandma's. For a relatively inexpensive price.


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RE: Forum Changes - 10/14/2005 1:26:23 PM   
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Actually, Al Gore didn't invent the internet.


Really? And Bush II can't be elected president again??

DAMN! We have to keep this site open - you can learn something every day!

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/14/2005 2:00:19 PM   
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nope, Mercandbeth, after FDR's 3 terms in office the US Constitution was amended and the same person can only be pres twice. But as i said, they haven't run out of Bush baby boys yet. i worked under Jeb and i wouldn't vote for him.

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/14/2005 2:02:53 PM   
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Actually, Al Gore didn't invent the internet.


Surely you jest.

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The plan backfired, obviously, because to this day some people think he really did invent the internet after all.


uhm... no they don't. I think that was a bit of sarcasm earlier. I am hoping so anyway.

Et tu collarme? ?

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/14/2005 2:12:32 PM   
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I think that was a bit of sarcasm earlier. I am hoping so anyway


Thank you for noticing!

And Pink - please also reference above...

But for trivia and educational purposes...

Since the Amendment went into effect, who were the only presidents who could have served more than 8 years legally and why? Bonus points if you can name the amendment number and the sitting president at the time it went into effect. (Hint - it was not FDR)

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/14/2005 2:27:52 PM   
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But for trivia and educational purposes...

Since the Amendment went into effect, who were the only presidents who could have served more than 8 years legally and why? Bonus points if you can name the amendment number and the sitting president at the time it went into effect. (Hint - it was not FDR)


22nd Amendment
Not sure who... but I do know willie tried to be the number 3 - http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20030605-020900-2841r.htm

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/14/2005 2:40:15 PM   
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Very good!

The site below has most of the pertinent information, but I don't agree with their position that there was only one president eligible for serving more than 8 years. I can think of another. In fact, he is also the answer to another presidential trivia question. Who was the only sitting president never to be elected as president or vice president? For some reason, this site does not include this person in the answer to who could have served more than 8 years. Maybe someone has that answer?

What I didn't know was that Clinton wasn't the first to not want to leave. Eisenhower said "The US ought to be able to choose for its President anybody it wants, regardless of the number of terms he has served". I guess he wanted to continue to work on his golf game. And very surprisingly - Reagan. Maybe in Reagan's case he didn't remember he was actually elected twice? (BTW-I actually think RR was one of our better Presidents.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/14/2005 2:41:41 PM   
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Since the Amendment went into effect, who were the only presidents who could have served more than 8 years legally and why? Bonus points if you can name the amendment number and the sitting president at the time it went into effect. (Hint - it was not FDR)

Mercnbeth


Maybe Ford? It's the 22nd Amendment and i think because He became pres as a result of Nixon's resignation, perhaps he could have "run" for two full terms...not sure. Same would be true of Johnson and Kennedy.

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/14/2005 2:45:53 PM   
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yeah, poor Eisenhower - He was the first pres after it was enacted.

Can't you see that conversation -"what, you mean you want to go ahead and start that now? ? ?"

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RE: Forum Changes - 10/14/2005 2:48:51 PM   
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Maybe in Reagan's case he didn't remember he was actually elected twice?


Oh that was PERFECT!!

hahahahaha


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