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RE: STDs, - 6/18/2008 6:27:39 PM   
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Okay.
It's been a very very long time since I've been in school!



*smiles* It was only 3 years for me.  Health education was a joke to be honest. They preached about condoms and made it seem this was some magic item that protected you from everything. My cousin is 12 and they still say the same thing.

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RE: STDs, - 6/18/2008 6:29:33 PM   
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Okay.
It's been a very very long time since I've been in school!



*smiles* It was only 3 years for me.  Health education was a joke to be honest. They preached about condoms and made it seem this was some magic item that protected you from everything. My cousin is 12 and they still say the same thing.


yes but did you have a plastic sperm the size of a small goldfish? luckly we didn't get stuck with abstience only. i don't remember much about STD education though, i think i got most of that in college at which point i had picked up from other places already.


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RE: STDs, - 6/18/2008 6:33:09 PM   
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Okay.
It's been a very very long time since I've been in school!



*smiles* It was only 3 years for me.  Health education was a joke to be honest. They preached about condoms and made it seem this was some magic item that protected you from everything. My cousin is 12 and they still say the same thing.


yes but did you have a plastic sperm the size of a small goldfish? luckly we didn't get stuck with abstience only. i don't remember much about STD education though, i think i got most of that in college at which point i had picked up from other places already.



lol sadly I did not have one.  In middle schools in Tennessee they are teaching abstience only and when she goes to high school I wonder how the health education will change. The only thing they preached about when I was in school was HIV, Aids, and getting pregnant.

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RE: STDs, - 6/18/2008 6:35:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: camille65

Okay.
It's been a very very long time since I've been in school!



*smiles* It was only 3 years for me.  Health education was a joke to be honest. They preached about condoms and made it seem this was some magic item that protected you from everything. My cousin is 12 and they still say the same thing.


yes but did you have a plastic sperm the size of a small goldfish? luckly we didn't get stuck with abstience only. i don't remember much about STD education though, i think i got most of that in college at which point i had picked up from other places already.



lol sadly I did not have one.  In middle schools in Tennessee they are teaching abstience only and when she goes to high school I wonder how the health education will change. The only thing they preached about when I was in school was HIV, Aids, and getting pregnant.


it's sad but that's pretty much all i remember from HS health class...sammy the plastic sperm and how to clean yourself after using the toliet. i'm not sure how they structure it back home now. i'm sort of scared to ask. my concentrate for my BA was sexuality and gender and i still cringe thinking about the stats.


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RE: STDs, - 6/18/2008 8:35:46 PM   
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Nice thread, Stephan, and well done.

Recently a friend of mine discovered she has been giving oral sex to a man with genital warts (related to male HPV). She said as long as he wasn't in an outbreak, she could not contract it.  Since she is someone I periodically kiss on the lips, I did some of my own investigation, including reading through the Center for Disease Control website, calling my doctor's office, and going through other sites my doctor referred me to.  What I learned is this (and I am not going to go back and look up all the sources, people can trust me on this or look it up if they are so inclined):

  • Male genital warts can be transmitted whether or not warts are showing.  Sometimes the warts are so tiny they can not be seen or felt.
  • In a small percentage of cases, they can be transmitted to the mouth
  • Another small percentage of those who carry the virus it in their mouths (about 8%, as I recall) can transmit it to others through kissing.

In short, I don't kiss her on the mouth anymore.  She is adamant that she is safe and won't get it.  Her doctor said it was low risk, but there was still a risk.  She still runs about kissing people on the mouth - that's just her way, whether it's family, friends, whomever.  A peck on the lips is how she greets.

Those who believe they can not possibly contract an STD if both partners are monogamous are incorrect.

In fact, it is my belief the only way anyone can stay safe in this world is if we all walk around wearing bubble wrap, eat whole, organic food, don't use plastic or any other chemicals (including your computer), and breathe with an oxygen tank.

Sure there is risk assessment, and low risk, etc.  Why else do people with multiple partners, whether in poly relationships, swinging relationships, casual sex relationships, fuck-partners without relationships, or even (dare I say) girls who find fuck partners for their men use condoms, get tested, and take enough precautions to mitigate as much risk as reasonable?

I am baffled at some of the statements I've seen made lately.  I don't understand why people can't just say, "OK, I'm not putting myself at risk but if you choose to engage in higher risk activities, I wish you the best?" as opposed to giving people undue little tongue lashings (is there a risk in that)?  Very odd.

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RE: STDs, - 6/18/2008 10:21:02 PM   
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STDs are transfered via fluids. If the condom stops the exchange the fluids, the STDs can't be transfered. So...simple logic wouild dictacte....


Some are transmitted by skin contact, like HPV and herpes.

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RE: STDs, - 6/18/2008 10:49:03 PM   
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Why do people have to risk STD's for our race to live?


Because you risk an STD every time you have sex.  If humanity ceased to have sex, we'd cease to have children (test tube babies aside.)  Just because your relationship is monogamous, doesn't mean your partner isn't cheating.  That risk exists regardless.

Stephan


 
That is very true. Partners cheat and aren't smart enough to wear condoms while cheating sometimes. A guest speaker in my college sexuality actually mentioned that one of her friends, while seemingly has a happy, closed marriage, always has sex with condoms because of this.
 
Now, I wouldn't agree that we must risk STIs to have kids but you must risk a STI any time you want to sexual contact. Even using protection doesn't guard against everything.
 
BTW, Owned, great post on herpes and kudos to you Stephann for starting this thread. There is a lot of misinformation floating around out there and the idea that only skanks get STIs needs to be stomped out. Certain STIs, like craps or herpes, don't even require sex. Since we are on the subject: TESTING, TESTING, TESTING! Particularly for women as signs of a STI can be located inside the vaginal cannal and therefore easily missed.

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RE: STDs - 6/19/2008 1:57:45 AM   
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Well, in truth, this time I'm not suggesting it's the government. I think this is more of a media issue, influenced by changing attitudes towards sex, gender roles, and gay culture. When AIDS first started to gain notoriety, gay culture was still considered to be fringe, and that gay men needed to keep their interests and activities in the closet. Since then, gay culture shares nearly equal representation in our media, in our politics, and in our communities. I think these are all great things, but I dislike the way that billions of dollars are being diverted into a problem in the US, when there are other, clear, and pressing problems with nearly no attention. Almost as many heterosexual men will become infected with HIV as adults will die of malnutrition, in the US; more than half of those will be over the age of 65. AIDS is a horrible way to die, but so is starving to death, old, and lonely. The problem is poverty isn't nearly as media friendly of a topic as AIDS; nobody has to actually see pictures of people dying of AIDS, because it strikes at our sexually repressed national identity.

Stephan

Boldface added by me.

Now, I recall vividly a 30-plus-year-old TV and radio commercial from Lyndon Johnson's term as U.S. President. Before the War on Drugs, there was the War on Poverty, and before that the War on Hunger.

<audio sound effect: can opener in use>
<voice over>
NARRATOR: This is the saddest sound in the world.
NARRATOR: This is the sound of a man opening a can.
NARRATOR: This is the sound of a man opening a can of cat food.
NARRATOR: This is the sound of a man opening a can of cat food for his dinner.

That particular commercial still has the power to make my stomach churn. And I was raised middle class, with a parent whose own parents, during the Great Depression of the 1930s, never needed to leave her hungry but often had to bore her with the same foods.

One of the few good things about the AIDS activism, however, is the side benefits of unscrewing the human immune system. And a good thing, because allergies and asthma treaments have benefitted from (at least) the first decade or so of investigations into "what the heck IS this thing". I was adult and reading the San Fran Examiner during 1977–1981, while the cluster of Kaposi's Sarcoma turned into a so-called "epidemic". What the heck, I eventually got to be grateful that I dodged a very polite pass from a bisexual gent in 1975.

Stephan, you make a great point. And there's another point about those statistics.
My mom used to make a point about statistics in general:
"Very few people die over the age of 100."
See? A true statistic…without context. WITH context, it might read:
"Very few people live to the age of 100; thus, very few people die over the age of 100."

The same fact has kept the "leading cause of death" in the U.S. a lovely moving target. First it was heart attacks. And then the American Heart Association led the AMA and the statistically significant victims (adult males) into improving that statistic, and *poof*…now the "leading cause of death" in the country was CANCER. And the American Cancer Society moved into the forefront. Now there's lovely scary ads about the "ticking time bombs" of heart disease in women. Well, guess what. I'm one of those women. And I don't effin' care. I'll take quality life over quantity having my diapers changed in a nursing home, thank you!

And besides that, the great American phobia is death. Well, ! Too many people on this planet now. But the bottom line?

"No one here gets out alive." —Jim Morrison
"Life is a death sentence; death is a life sentence." —Lady Delilah Deb


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RE: STDs, - 6/19/2008 6:20:25 AM   
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STDs are transfered via fluids. If the condom stops the exchange the fluids, the STDs can't be transfered. So...simple logic wouild dictacte....


Some are transmitted by skin contact, like HPV and herpes.


And the flu is transferred by coughing on people.

Sounds like your pretty fucked in both cases, whether or not you choose to have promiscuous sex with multiple partners.

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RE: STDs, - 6/19/2008 12:15:58 PM   
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STDs are transfered via fluids. If the condom stops the exchange the fluids, the STDs can't be transfered. So...simple logic wouild dictacte....


Some are transmitted by skin contact, like HPV and herpes.


And the flu is transferred by coughing on people.

Sounds like your pretty fucked in both cases, whether or not you choose to have promiscuous sex with multiple partners.


True, but i haven't had the flu for over 30yrs, and very few  die from it.  I contracted the cancer causing strain of  HPV from one affair from someone who swore he was clean.  If i hadn't been getting regular paps i would probably have died from cervical cancer by now, because it wouldn't have been caught early.

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RE: STDs, - 6/19/2008 3:52:25 PM   
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And the flu is transferred by coughing on people.

Sounds like your pretty fucked in both cases, whether or not you choose to have promiscuous sex with multiple partners.


True, but i haven't had the flu for over 30yrs, and very few  die from it.  I contracted the cancer causing strain of  HPV from one affair from someone who swore he was clean.  If i hadn't been getting regular paps i would probably have died from cervical cancer by now, because it wouldn't have been caught early.


This isn't directed at you proud sub, but a comment in general. People don't die from herpes, but they do sometimes from the flu, yet they're more worried about getting herpes. It's all about the whole puritanical "it's from SEX" mindset. I'm with the group who enjoy promiscuous sex by reducing risk with consistent (i.e., constant) condom use with all my partners. Sure I'm at risk for a few things but those risks are small and for me, worth it so I can enjoy my life.



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RE: STDs, - 7/12/2009 2:59:58 PM   
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What if you're really into ants?

I know that the risk of contracting AIDS is relatively low. However, there are other diseases where the statistics are a little more reasonable (1 in 6, anyone)? And, while I wouldn't die, the two-seconds and $1 I'd save avoiding the condom isn't worth having to live forever with an itchy rash like 1000 fire ants on my cooch.

But that's just me.

Actually it's easier than you think for a female to contract HIV/AIDS from an infected male than the other way around and as for condoms there are some out now that are actually quite fun. Also local resoursed in your area usually have free condoms, lubes, and other fun items to keep us all safe.

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RE: STDs, - 7/12/2009 4:44:37 PM   
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Hi Steel I read Your post about getting tested weekly to establish  timeline of contracting. In my case of contracting the genital warts germ I performed oral only once on my Mistress at the time in the beginning of March. [2002]  Symptoms developed at the end of May.   Weekly testing wouldn't have been much help in my case. Two weeks ago I had "all" the STD tests done and came up negative. However they told me they cant test for genital warts unless symptoms are showing. After hearing my diagnosis Mistress told me She had a bout of genital warts 14 years earlier. She was told at the time She would only be contagious for two or three weeks.

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