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RE: Are slaves allowed opinions - 11/12/2005 6:09:13 PM

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I have a proposal: No rudeness; no excuses.

Well said DesertRat, in my opinion if pepole was a bit more polite and frindly and a lot less rude to one another there would be a better world altogether.

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RE: Are slaves allowed opinions - 11/12/2005 6:49:05 PM

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Yet they say a slave is only a little person on her hands and knees all the time.

It is my opinion (as allowed to be expressed within the guidelines Master has stated in regards to using these boards) that persons with this view of slavery are somehow to a degree limiting many wonderous events, and potential knowledge and growth that is right there before their eyes.

but then again..it is only this slaves opinion

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RE: Are slaves allowed opinions - 11/12/2005 7:32:37 PM

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If you try and shove your mainstream belies down my throat and tell me how wrong I am because I expect nothing less than for others including myself to be respectful.

No one is trying to shove any beliefs - "mainstream" or otherwise - down your throat.

No one has said that you are wrong for your beliefs and how you choose to apply them in your relationships.

Where you have consistently been told that you are wrong (at least, in several threads here) is in trying to apply them *outside* of your relationships.

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There are alot of dogmastists out there thinking the knight in shining armor approach is the best way to get them laid.

Hey - if it works for them, and more importantly, it *also* works for their partners - why knock it?

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If I wanted to get laid I could find others means to get it without warping the values within the BDSM community or the Gorean subset.

I don't see where anything has been warped.

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But dont shove relational dynamics down my throat as an excuse to be rude.

Please point out where this has been done?

I've seen much talk about the ephemeral "rude, disrespectful s-types", but I've yet to see it.

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RE: Are slaves allowed opinions - 11/12/2005 8:00:01 PM

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Is it common for gorean masters to have "daddy" relationships with their kajira as well?

I'm not entirely sure LA what you mean by a "Daddy" relationship. In some aspects of the disclipline of a kajira, it may certainly appear that the master is in a similar situation as for example a "Victorian Father" with a child. It may be that at times the kajira mey even relate to her Master as a substitute Father, especially when she is emotionally distraught. However such cases will vary from relationship. Even then, I doubt that such things would come out in public. I'te probably like our female Malamute, Neets will tell her to go and snuggle on the bed when I'm dozing on it, and say: "Come of, come and cuddle your dad." I'm alpha male and in her eyes, the pack leader this in one aspect a Father Figure (Authoritarian Figure).

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RE: Are slaves allowed opinions - 11/12/2005 11:01:12 PM

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The point of the matter is that this is "ask a Master". Not ask a slave/submissive.

You know I have to say you can't suggest it's invalid to 'tell/suggest/recommend' a submissive posting to an 'ask a master' column that she can't because you post outside of 'the Gor' column (I can only assume you post on the Gor boards because I don't read them).

I think, SirSix72, that I understand where you are coming from (and _agree_ with you)(personally I have never posted on 'ask a 'submissive' - never even read it, nor have I posted on the Gor boards - and NOR am I suggesting you stop posting on the 'regular' boards, I am quite thankful you do)_but_ she is posting on a board outside her 'label' and technically "Gor" so are you.

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RE: Are slaves allowed opinions - 11/13/2005 12:05:51 AM

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It was that people outside of the lifestyle(BDSM/GOREAN/OLD GUARD,ETC) are now trying to tell people in the lifestyle the way they live is wrong..even if they do not partisipate(i know its spelled wrong by the way). Master and i know there are alot of RUDE people......Its how people should react to each other within a set lifestyle....

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RE: Are slaves allowed opinions - 11/13/2005 12:13:39 AM

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I think if you were to relate that incident correctly you would make it know it was a thread on another board, not an email and it was made by someone who WAS involved in the BDSM as well as the Gorean lifestyles, not some "mere" swinger. And it was in response to the fact that your statements and actions contradicted each other. It was not someone telling you how you should behave within your relationship it was pointing out that you can be very inconsistent.

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RE: Are slaves allowed opinions - 11/13/2005 12:41:57 AM

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ORIGINAL: Wolfie648

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The point of the matter is that this is "ask a Master". Not ask a slave/submissive.

You know I have to say you can't suggest it's invalid to 'tell/suggest/recommend' a submissive posting to an 'ask a master' column that she can't because you post outside of 'the Gor' column (I can only assume you post on the Gor boards because I don't read them).

I think, SirSix72, that I understand where you are coming from (and _agree_ with you)(personally I have never posted on 'ask a 'submissive' - never even read it, nor have I posted on the Gor boards - and NOR am I suggesting you stop posting on the 'regular' boards, I am quite thankful you do)_but_ she is posting on a board outside her 'label' and technically "Gor" so are you.D (owner of j)

Wolfie,

The part of your post which I have highlited is in my opinion the most offensive post I've seen you make. What on earth made you say that? Where in ToS does it state that sub/slaves must stay on their own boards and not post in the other forums such as Ask a Master. The same applies to Goreans posting here. Are you saying that because you have never graced the Gorean Lifestyle Forum that Goreans should not post here? I hope this was just a slip of the typing digits. For me, if my mate Six is posting on the wrong forum that so am I and so is every other sub/slave..... Perhaps we all should move to our own boards if you prefer, but CM would get quiet I'm thinking. No biggie and no skin off my nose.

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RE: Are slaves allowed opinions - 11/13/2005 1:49:12 AM

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Um...(raises hand) I think there was a misunderstanding.

From what i can see, Wolfie was responding to SirSix's assertion that sub/slaves were out of line by responding in the Ask a Master forum. He used the same line of reasoning to question SirSix's choice to post in the BDSM, i.e Non-Gorean sections of the boards.

It's a fair question IMO, and I realize that since I'm not a Dom/Top/Master, my posts can easily be overlooked as irrelevant here. Fortunately (up to this pont) that hasn't been the case.

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RE: Are slaves allowed opinions - 11/13/2005 2:43:05 AM

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ORIGINAL: Wolfie648

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The point of the matter is that this is "ask a Master". Not ask a slave/submissive.

Wolfie648's words - modified (original post left as is):

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You know I have to say you can't suggest it's invalid to 'tell/suggest/recommend' a submissive posting to an 'ask a master' column that she can't because you post outside of 'the Gor' column (I can only assume you post on the Gor boards because I don't read them).

I think, SirSix72, that I understand where you are coming from (and _agree_ with you)(personally I have never posted on 'ask a 'submissive' - never even read it, nor have I posted on the Gor boards - and NOR am I suggesting you stop posting on the 'regular' boards, I am quite thankful you do)_but_ she is posting on a board outside her 'label' and technically "Gor" so are you.D (owner of j)

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Wolfie,

The part of your post which I have highlited is in my opinion the most offensive post I've seen you make. What on earth made you say that? Where in ToS does it state that sub/slaves must stay on their own boards and not post in the other forums such as Ask a Master.
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Back to me Wolfie648:

I have no idea what ToS is but I am fairly certain that if you read what I have posted and think for a few moments (I do admit it was not posted as clearly as it should have been) that you will understand the intent.

#1 SirSix is saying wtf (not in his on words) is a submissive posting on ask a Master forum? I have said I _completely_ agree with Sirsix's sentiments (maybe she needs to rethink who she is I don't know that's her gig)

I quote myself:

"and NOR am I suggesting you (Sirsix-or any other Gor(ean?) stop posting on the 'regular' boards,"

Back to IronBear:

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The same applies to Goreans posting here. Are you saying that because you have never graced the Gorean Lifestyle Forum that Goreans should not post here?

Answered above. I don't 'grace (your words)' the gorean boards because I have investigated (elsewhere) and determined that it's not for me - I have nothing to offer there, nor do I object (or approve or disapprove) to it's existence..it is.

Back to IronBear:

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I hope this was just a slip of the typing digits. For me, if my mate Six is posting on the wrong forum that so am I and so is every other sub/slave..... Perhaps we all should move to our own boards if you prefer, but CM would get quiet I'm thinking. No biggie and no skin off my nose.

This is exactly my point: Why is Sirsix posting on the 'wrong' column because he is 'Gor'? Why is 'she' posting on the wrong column because she is 'submissive'.

Don't get me wrong I agree with SirSix on this; at the same time judge not as they will judge themselves in their own time.

D (owner of j)

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RE: Are slaves allowed opinions - 11/13/2005 3:24:03 AM

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I have no idea what ToS

TOS =Terms Of Service.
This are the terms you sign up to and (should have) read when you clicked the acceptance button.

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RE: Are slaves allowed opinions - 11/13/2005 3:53:21 AM

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Moderator 10 perhaps the one that asked the question had the same problams whit understanding shortenings of words as i have, i know what the terms of service is but i think i had to ask what tos meant.

In the relationship between me and my Dom i am aloved my opinion, and often he will sacrifice somthing to make me happy, for my happyness is inportant to him, but it is always he that is in charge and that take the final desitions, i may say i want to go to Englad for our summer holliday and he and I will discuss it but it is for him to say yes or no.

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RE: Are slaves allowed opinions - 11/13/2005 5:03:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: Wolfie648

This is exactly my point: Why is Sirsix posting on the 'wrong' column because he is 'Gor'? Why is 'she' posting on the wrong column because she is 'submissive'.

D (owner of j)

So we still come to the point I was objecting about and what I find offensive. In your own words you are stating that Six is posting on the wrong column (or forum if you like) because he is Gorean. Logically, it can be taken that in your opinion all Goreans should stay in their own forum. FYI The Gorean Forum is aptly named the Gorean Lifestyle Forum which pertains to the Gorean Lifestyle of which BDSM plays no or little part. It just happens that some of us are also interested in other aspects of the kink lifestyle than Gorean Lifestyles, hence so of us post in other forums such as "Ask a Master", which by the way, does not differentiate between Gorean and non-Gorean Masters. By your own words you make it quite clear to me that you prefer the them and us attitude regarding Goreans and the rest of the Cm community. Now I can live with that, after all I'm used to it on my local scene. I could of course just no loinger post except to the Goirean forum and reluctantly put up with the snide, condescending pontificatuions going on there and/or I could reply to post on this board directly to the poster. Or opf course I can just block you and not bother with the attitude you have expressed. Hmmmmm I may tak time to brood on this. My only other thought is an old proverb "Be carefull what you ask for", I know a few sites where some very good people just done post any more but reply to individuals because they found attitudes, or perceived attitudes, offensive.

I've never had an issue with any of your posts in the past and I can see what has got up your nose. Was it so offensive that a slave posted on this forum? Bloody hell it would indeed be a sad day if slaves were not allowed to reply. So many ideas and opinions would be lost.

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RE: Are slaves allowed opinions - 11/13/2005 5:17:52 AM

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Why can we not just all interact and get along, i somtimes get yelled at for posting at the Gorean forum even if i am not a Gorean myself, why should a Gorean not be aloved to post outside their own forum, they are not some rabid dogs we need to lock up in their own section for the good of all, most of them are intelignet pepole that have interesting views that add valune to a discussion in my opinion.

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RE: Are slaves allowed opinions - 11/13/2005 8:11:26 AM

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Not sure if someone else said this already... but of course they are, if Master allows it. It is about what he wants... the true test is that the slave abandones or changes that opinion if told to by her Master.

I (with a tendency toward total dehumaization) do not allow a girl opinion... but how a man treats his property is his business and his alone.

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RE: Are slaves allowed opinions - 11/13/2005 8:20:40 AM

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Gosh dern it! i asked a simple question and this has turned into a arguement because a "few" do not like the Master in which i serve...and I APPOLOGIZE TO ALL THIS DOESNT INVOLVE AND THE MODERATORS.....But SHUT UP WITH THE DAMN ARGUEMENTS OVER "WELL THIS ISNT A GOR FORM", "WELL THIS IS ASK A MASTER"," WELL THIS IS LIKE THE THREAD I'M NOT YOUR DOM". GOODNESS...I ASKED FOR THOUGHTS....NOT A ALL OUT WAR....i included the submissives and slaves for simple fact i see many responding on here even though this is "Ask a Master" and thats fine ....i try to include everyone if possiable. i hate to flame or argue but enough is enough.....As of today i'm going to try to delete this thread...maybe i'll make anouther maybe not...BUT FOR GOSH DERN SAKE....STOP ACTING LIKE CHILDREN SCREAMING AT EACH OTHER....BE ADULTS...I ASKED A ADULT QUESTION AND WANTED ADULY ANSWERS!!!!

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RE: Are slaves allowed opinions - 11/13/2005 8:28:33 AM

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Gosh dern it! i asked a simple question and this has turned into a arguement because a "few" do not like the Master in which i serve...and I APPOLOGIZE TO ALL THIS DOESNT INVOLVE AND THE MODERATORS.....But SHUT UP WITH THE DAMN ARGUEMENTS OVER "WELL THIS ISNT A GOR FORM", "WELL THIS IS ASK A MASTER"," WELL THIS IS LIKE THE THREAD I'M NOT YOUR DOM". GOODNESS...I ASKED FOR THOUGHTS....NOT A ALL OUT WAR....i included the submissives and slaves for simple fact i see many responding on here even though this is "Ask a Master" and thats fine ....i try to include everyone if possiable. i hate to flame or argue but enough is enough.....As of today i'm going to try to delete this thread...maybe i'll make anouther maybe not...BUT FOR GOSH DERN SAKE....STOP ACTING LIKE CHILDREN SCREAMING AT EACH OTHER....BE ADULTS...I ASKED A ADULT QUESTION AND WANTED ADULY ANSWERS!!!!

Nicely said dearie.
Still if you were mine you would not be tolerated such caps lock manners.

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RE: Are slaves allowed opinions - 11/13/2005 9:02:56 AM

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Well, if she were mine, I would allow shouting, but would have required additional editing to that post. THEN I would post my own comment totally supporting what she said.

The posts I read this morning have degenerated into nonsensical procedural bullshit. the whole "who should post here" things is such an obvious NON-issue, yet I looked on as good people....who probably needed more coffee or something...let themselves be diverted.

That's gotta be frustrating for the OP.

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RE: Are slaves allowed opinions - 11/13/2005 9:03:35 AM

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Bella, do you not see that your response is a reflection of your Masters training?

If you feel that people are misunderstanding the point, or reacting wrongly - then just ignore them. You are telling people what to do. You are insisting people act and respond the way you want. No one is flaming - just showing viewpoints. Your the one making personal attacks. A flame is a attack on a person like 'You're rubbish' or 'You're all acting like children screaming at each other'(I am refusing to add the caps, thats just very disrespectful) - the only person doing that right now is you bella. If you feel LA attacked you, why bother responding? Just ignore and take it outside the forum. If you wanted only Masters to respond, the write 'This is for Masters replies only' - not an open ended invite to everyone. Communication is key - and shouting and ranting doesnt do anything for the thread, in fact it reflects poorly on Six. And I happen to think He has alot to give the forum.

*edit to add... I am trying to keep to the OP. Is a slave or submissive entitled to voice their opinions? Damn right they are - if their Master allows such. Other peoples thoughts are not relevant. However, to do so in a way that may reflect poorly on their Master is for their Master to deal with.

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RE: Are slaves allowed opinions - 11/13/2005 9:09:53 AM

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quite actually i was trying to get some of the posters to realize how off base they were getting..and how foolish this segregation crap sounded

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ORIGINAL: DesertRat

Well, if she were mine, I would allow shouting, but would have required additional editing to that post. THEN I would post my own comment totally supporting what she said.

The posts I read this morning have degenerated into nonsensical procedural bullshit. the whole "who should post here" things is such an obvious NON-issue, yet I looked on as good people....who probably needed more coffee or something...let themselves be diverted.

That's gotta be frustrating for the OP.

Bob

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