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Are they true subs or only bottoms? - 7/9/2008 8:18:51 PM

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I'm sure many can relate to this. He/she professes their submissive nature, repeat with fond childhood recollections of how when so-and-so age, they wanted to be the character in (insert TV show, cartoon, etc.) and be the tied-up villain or super-hero or poor victim. They'll go on about how they have always wanted to serve and submit, yada-yada-yada, but still they prove more bottoms than anything. Usually this is more true of males than females I find, but it makes you wonder if there really are any true subs, or just very skilled bottoms that know how to please--and if there is any difference at the end? I'm sure this is going to get alot of mixed responses, so should be interesting to see what people think.

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RE: Are they true subs or only bottoms? - 7/9/2008 8:29:34 PM

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I'm sure this is going to get alot of mixed responses, so should be interesting to see what people think.

I'll say.

Must. Get. Popcorn.

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RE: Are they true subs or only bottoms? - 7/9/2008 8:32:11 PM

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One of your threads will get pulled - it's against TOS to double post... but I am confused about one line ...

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They'll go on about how they have always wanted to serve and submit, yada-yada-yada, but still they prove more subs than anything.

How do you define bottom and sub?

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RE: Are they true subs or only bottoms? - 7/9/2008 8:36:31 PM

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Okay I'll take a shot at this and hope I don't get flamed too much....Lets grant that I might not be all the sub I may think I am,can we not allow for the possibility that with the right Domme I can be taken from bottom to sub/slave type I so long to be?Or am I supposed to be a finished product at the start of my journey with the prospective Domme?

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RE: Are they true subs or only bottoms? - 7/9/2008 8:41:23 PM

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I would have to say that, yes, there are true subs. They are people that are just the opposite of control freaks. They're people who have the psychological and emotional NEED to be controlled. I have two of them in my life, one is my pet, and one is my partner (well, one of my partners). My pet, I fulfil that need for him. My partner, I am trying to help him overcome that need. Yes, there are some out there that are just glorified bottoms, but there are also, most certainly, true subs.

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RE: Are they true subs or only bottoms? - 7/9/2008 8:44:19 PM

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Nope sorry, there are no true submissives out there; only fakes, phonies and fly-by-night fucktards, Seriously though, there are no "true" anything because being a "true" or even a "real" whatever means that you perfectly fit every possible definition of the term. Sorry, it just ain't going to happen.

Now, i have to wonder how well your 8 years of experience prepared you, since it only took you a month on this site to get jaded.

Reminds me of an old joke:

A woman is at a rally in support of the troops at some US Military base. At a quiet moment she stands and yells into a megaphone "IN THE PAST TWO YEARS I HAVE HAD SEX WITH ALL FIVE THOUSAND OF THE SOLDIERS STATIONED HERE. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WAS A HORRIBLE LAY!!!"

The speaker of the event smiled nonplussed and spoke calmly into the microphone. "You know miss, in each of those cases; the only constant seems to be you."

So, if every experience you have with submissive men turns out bad; maybe it's you.

Just some food for thought.

Edited to Add: i may have to take a break from the boards; i've developed way too short a fuse regarding all the whining, griping, bitching, moaning, kvetching and complaining i'm seeing and i have been none too tactful in my approaches.

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RE: Are they true subs or only bottoms? - 7/9/2008 8:44:49 PM

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Well, I wouldn't flame you. I agree too with what you say. My personal belief is that the most out there are bottoms that just like being dominated and really not interest in being a sub so much as the feeling of being submissive. A sub to me is someone that really is about the other person's needs and reconciles himself with that whereas a bottom is inherently self-centered in that his needs are the motivating factor. Some bottoms are quite adept at taking on the sub persona--and some at even fooling themselves. I personally have nothing against bottoms and no real preference for either. I just ask if there are any real subs there and especially in the numbers that are professed--and if at the end it makes any real difference.

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RE: Are they true subs or only bottoms? - 7/9/2008 8:47:11 PM

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Hmm... Someone's bitter. LOL I can see why some of your other posts were deleted by the ad min. It's a wonder why someone with such a winning, charming personality like you hasn't been taken up already. *rolls eyes*

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RE: Are they true subs or only bottoms? - 7/9/2008 8:49:46 PM

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Hmm... Someone's bitter. LOL I can see why some of your other posts were deleted by the ad min. It's a wonder why someone with such a winning, charming personality like you hasn't been taken up already. *rolls eyes*

Call me slow, but I think DC is taken... sooooooooo.... Yeah I think that's all I had to say. *Backs slowly out of dramafest*

*Edit*

Actually op.. I think you should define what your idea of a true sub. I have no idea what you are trying to say otherwise.

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RE: Are they true subs or only bottoms? - 7/9/2008 8:50:22 PM

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go darch! i adore you and your posts. if you go i hope you don't stay gone for long!

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RE: Are they true subs or only bottoms? - 7/9/2008 8:50:40 PM

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Hmm... Someone's bitter. LOL I can see why some of your other posts were deleted by the ad min. It's a wonder why someone with such a winning, charming personality like you hasn't been taken up already. *rolls eyes*

Bitter? Yeah, as are you; i mean i'm sure you read your own OP in this thread.

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RE: Are they true subs or only bottoms? - 7/9/2008 8:51:51 PM

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and he's a keeper who I hope is kept.

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RE: Are they true subs or only bottoms? - 7/9/2008 8:53:38 PM

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They'll go on about how they have always wanted to serve and submit, yada-yada-yada, but still they prove more subs than anything.

wtf does this mean?

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RE: Are they true subs or only bottoms? - 7/9/2008 8:54:48 PM

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I'm sure to you I do, but all I did was raise a question dear. So here's some "food for thought" for you: All the world is yellow through jaundiced eyes. Think you might be projecting just a little bit there love?

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RE: Are they true subs or only bottoms? - 7/9/2008 8:57:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz

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They'll go on about how they have always wanted to serve and submit, yada-yada-yada, but still they prove more subs than anything.

wtf does this mean?

I'm with Lynnx not sure what that is supposed to mean... I guess I thought a sub was to serve?? guess I missed that class in BDSM school ........ could you maybe explain that please.....

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RE: Are they true subs or only bottoms? - 7/9/2008 8:57:28 PM

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Curious, in your profile that states you are a professional, what is your hourly rate? Or are you paid by the minute?

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RE: Are they true subs or only bottoms? - 7/9/2008 8:57:28 PM

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They'll go on about how they have always wanted to serve and submit, yada-yada-yada, but still they prove more subs than anything.

wtf does this mean?

i think we have to give MsFay the benefit of the doubt here that it was a typo and that she actually intended to put.

They'll go on about how they have always wanted to serve and submit, yada-yada-yada, but still they prove more bottoms than anything.

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ORIGINAL: MsFay

I'm sure to you I do, but all I did was raise a question dear. So here's some "food for thought" for you: All the world is yellow through jaundiced eyes. Think you might be projecting just a little bit there love?

How is my perspective at all skewed? The post that you typed to start this thread is nothing but a list of complaints. Constant complaining and lashing out at others is are classic symptoms of bitterness.

< Message edited by darchChylde -- 7/9/2008 9:00:39 PM >

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RE: Are they true subs or only bottoms? - 7/9/2008 8:59:58 PM

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Curious, in you profile that states you are a professional, what is your hourly rate? Or are you paid by the minute?

I'm like the little merrygo rounds outside of walmart. 50c to get started, but we usually just go in circles.

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RE: Are they true subs or only bottoms? - 7/9/2008 9:03:04 PM

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lmao lynnx.

well, i'll just grab me a popcorn and a beer...i haven't seen jealousy here in these parts for some time now...could prove quite interesting.

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RE: Are they true subs or only bottoms? - 7/9/2008 9:04:44 PM

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K, I am jealous of your hair then... Smexy!

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