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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 9:32:52 PM   
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You mean the DSM-IV, I am sure, as the DSM-V target publication date is 2012.  Meanwhile, here's just one link demostrating there is nowhere near a consensus in the scientific community to support your claim.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/24664654/


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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 9:40:27 PM   
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Thanks for the assistance Magic. Here's the quote from her reference about the DSM-IV and the changes proposed to the DSM-V (Thank you for pointing out my faulty numbering as well)

Moser, who is affiliated with the Institute for Advanced Study of Human Sexuality in San Francisco, and Kleinplatz, from the University of Ottawa, argue that all paraphilias, like sexual sadism, sexual masochism, transvestism, should be removed from the DSM, insisting that “the DSM criteria for diagnosis of unusual sexual interests as pathological rests on a series of unproven and more importantly, untested assumptions.”

You proved my point that they are clinically regarded as psychological disorders.
Thanks!

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 9:43:40 PM   
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What do you not understand about untested assumptions?

**I'm sorry, I much prefer your other nick, reminds me of my favorite place on Spongebob Squarepants**

Im off to bed also... and if not, on to other much more productive threads than another trying to bait and start another flame fest.....night night.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 9:44:52 PM   
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It's a fact, you don't have to like it, nor do you have to agree with it, but that's the label.

just proving my point ladies, it's not an attack, just exchanging information. I appologize for offending you with truth.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 9:45:56 PM   
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Not all Christians take the Bible literally.  Not all clinicians believe everything written in the DSM.  Just because something is written down does not mean it is TRUE.  You may recall that homosexuality was listed as a clinical disorder in the DSM for decades, and has now been removed by the American Psychological Association.

Perhaps all homosexuals had psychological problems until the day the DSM was altered -- and then they were cured.  Is that your position?


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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 9:48:47 PM   
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I'm not offended, but no offense, I will stick with what my psychologist and psychiatrist friends have thought in the past.....no offense to you, of course  . I'm pretty comfortable with who and what I am, and do not tend to give a rats ass about strangers thoughts anyway, so think I'll sleep ok tonight either way...but good try at the flame war!!!!!!

notice how you ignored the rest of my comment about nicks , tricky tricky, but thats ok......

edited to add: and back to the thread topic...I think I just found a time bandit, so think I'm through, smiles.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 9:50:55 PM   
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Good point, RedMagic.....!!

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 10:05:46 PM   
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Jinxx,  I'm not asking you to take my word for what I'm about to say.  Go to Barnes and Noble or another bookstore and actually open the DSM IV and read the section on Paraphillia.  

Engaging in sado/maochistic practices, is not in and of itself diagnosable as being sexually dysfunctional.  The reference in the DSM IV is about Paraphilia being diagnosed if it causes problems in the every day aspects of your life.  If you have impaired functioning day to day, because of your sado/masochism, then it might be diagnosable as a paraphilia. 

The actual criteria for a diagnosisis is if one acts on their obsessions with a 'non consenting invidual' (sadism) or The fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning (masochism).   And of course, that these problems have occured over a period of more than 6 months.

The typical disclaimers about diagnostic criteria for a mental disorder being offered as guidelines only for making diagnoses, applies.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 10:10:28 PM   
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  looking familiar yet babe???

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 10:17:51 PM   
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By the way, I don't care what anyone says about Collarme listening to users, I love this friggin site....what did I ask for earlier on this thread????Tell me they don't care about their users....so here, unveiled for the first time a combo icon punch:



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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 10:19:29 PM   
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quote:

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It's a fact, you don't have to like it, nor do you have to agree with it, but that's the label.

just proving my point ladies, it's not an attack, just exchanging information. I appologize for offending you with truth.


Let's not talk truth, san...whoops jinxxx.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 10:21:03 PM   
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I"m off to go sit in my little corner and be quiet now !  (i.e. I'm going to bed! )


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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 10:22:41 PM   
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Big kisses babe, I'm off to do the same myself...pleasant dreams, sweet girl!!

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 10:31:44 PM   
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Blushes, if you told any psychologist what you do for fun in your bdsm life, they would call it a psychological problem. Why is that confusing?

There are only a few studies researching the psychological aspects of BDSM using modern scientific standards. A pivotal survey on the subject was published by US-American psychotherapist Charles Moser in 1988 in the Journal of Social Work and Human Sexuality.[54] His conclusion was that while there is a general lack of data on the psychological problems of BDSM practitioners, some fundamental results are obvious. He emphasizes that there is no evidence for the theory that BDSM has common symptoms or any common psychopathology; Clinical literature, though does not give a consistent picture of BDSM practitioners. Moser emphasizes that there is no evidence at all supporting the theory of BDSM practitioners having any special psychiatric problems or even problems based solely on their preferences. Problems do sometimes occur in the area of self classification by the person concerned. During the phase of the "coming-out", self questioning related to one's own "normality" is quite common. According to Moser, the discovery of BDSM preferences can result in fear of the current non-BDSM relationship's destruction. This, combined with the fear of discrimination in everyday life, leads in some cases to a double life which can be highly burdensome. At the same time, the denial of BDSM preferences can induce stress and dissatisfaction with one's own "vanilla"-lifestyle, feeding the apprehension of finding no partner. Moser states that BDSM practitioners having problems finding BDSM partners would probably have problems in finding a non-BDSM partner as well. The wish to remove BDSM preferences is another possible reason for psychological problems since it is not possible in most cases. Finally, the scientist states that BDSM practitioners seldom commit violent crimes. From his point of view, crimes of BDSM practitioners usually have no connection with the BDSM components existing in their life. Moser's study comes to the conclusion that there is no scientific evidence, which could give reason to refuse members of this group work- or safety certificates, adoption possibilities, custody or other social rights or privileges. The Swiss psychoanalyst Fritz Morgenthaler shares a similar perspective in his book, Homosexuality, Heterosexuality, Perversion (1988). He states that possible problems result not necessarily from the non-normative behavior, but in most cases primarily from the real or feared reactions of the social environment towards the own preferences.[79] In 1940 psychoanalyst Theodor Reik reached implicitly the same conclusion in his standard work Aus Leiden Freuden. Masochismus und Gesellschaft.[80]



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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 10:37:07 PM   
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   Well said, if he is a therapist, the I am the Queen of England. (NOT)

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 10:47:05 PM   
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Kink friendly psychologists, do they advertise in the phone book?
If you read the DSM-V, you'd see that what we do is a psychological dysfunction. Clinically speaking.
I am certainly not saying it is wrong. I am saying clinically it is a dysfunction.
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That is not only BS, it is BS that has been shot down so many times here it isn't funny.  What exactly are you trying to accomplish by posting something that isn't even remotely true?

Eating is also listed in the DSM, but that doesn't make everyone who eats food dysfunctional.

"What we do' also isn't a problem according to the DSM until it occurs without consent, or exceeds any reasonable level of harm like killing people, or interferes with the ability to enjoy normal life functions such as eating, sleeping or working.

Good luck proving the assertion that 'most' of the people fall here into that category.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/14/2008 12:05:43 AM   
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This is funny.  On one thread we have a guy saying bipolar disorder is not a mental illness, and on this thread we have a guy saying BDSM practice is a mental illness.  Hell, if that's the case, I'll take mental illness for 800, Alex! 


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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/14/2008 2:14:45 AM   
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First tip in spotting a Time Bandit on CM: an 11-page thread that goes nowhere.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/14/2008 3:20:36 AM   
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Alice sighed wearily. `I think you might do something better with the time,' she said, `than waste it in asking riddles that have no answers.'

People are not created equal.  Some are prettier or smarter or more intuitive or wealthier or happier than others.  There is only one commodity we possess in equal measure and that is we each get 24 hours in a day.  No one gets more, no one gets less.

In my opinion, the real Time Bandit is not someone we talk with who turns out to not be serious about meeting, but to me, its any amount of time spend in projecting negative energy. 

SirBitterSweet, i'm sure you intended your thread to be a public service announcement but i wonder how responding to what you preceived to be attacks became a productive use of your time?  While it's natural to want to defend our thoughts, opinions and beliefs, how is responding in a negative fashion to anyone who does not hold your thought, opinion or belief different from chatting with what you refer to as Time Bandits?  In your original post you mention that Time Bandits are never going to be met in real life and i daresay you will not be meeting me or maybe any of the people who offered their opinions here.  So i don't understand why you would continue to let your time be stolen or squander your time in such negativity.  Rather than see any opposing opinion as being an attack why not just dismiss the comment as being not relative to you?   It's not like you get a prize for "winning" an argument on the internet anyway.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/14/2008 4:15:08 AM   
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I'm glad I only read half of the first post and skipped to the replies. saved me a few seconds of my life apparently.

tl;dr on OP's topic.
Use common sense, but at the same time don't assume that because someone isn't jumping at you, that you can assume they're playing games.
Chances are a factor of life... One way or another, there will always be "what if's"... So accept that, take the chance you think has the most potential to make you happy.

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