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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/14/2008 4:30:35 AM   
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Time bandits are mostly harmless, but they steal a valuable commodity - YOUR TIME. This review will explain a little how they operate and how you can stop them in their tracks.  


I would disagree that people who steal time are harmless.

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Who is the Time Bandit? These are people who do NOT stand a chance with their 'target' prey in a real, live social situation. They might lack social skills, have an unattractive appearance, disabilities that are mental or physical, fears of intimacy, fears of rejection, they might be hiding a spouse or partner -- I'm sure I've missed a few other types, but you get the general idea. What all Bandits have in common is that they generally lack a real life and/or do not lead a positive/rewarding existancee. They are despondant about their situation and they prefer a fantasy world over their current reality.  

 
I would disagree as all the above will have some attraction to someone.  After all, attractiveness is subjective, as is disability.  Fears of intimacy isn't purely a time bandit thing.
Fear of rejection can be a terrible disability, but not necessarily meant to cause time wasting.  And fantasy worlds can be healthy if properly maintained - you are an obvious example if you believe your fantasies are positive(Ren).  It is very simplistic to see anyones fantasy as negative.


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How do they work? Time Bandits use eye-candy photos or well written profiles to attract whom they feel is worthy of their game. Some Time Bandits control with negativity and insult and argue. Some use games of sympathy, so you feel sorry for them, some are super sweet. Time Bandits usually like to find a 'perfect' mark, so it is better that many people compete for their attentions than just a few. After all, this a power game, one about controling another person -- though from a distance. Time Bandits always win the game by keeping the game going. A real life meeting with this person, a live phone chat or verification of their identity means 'game over.'  


[font="Times New Roman"]Whilst this is one version, there are those that would do all that and still be a stealer of anothers time.  So I would not count on simply these.

How do I bust the Time Bandit 'red' handed? Anyone on this site who does not want to go to phone chat fairly early, is most probably a Time Bandit. Don't get your panties in a bunch over this statement. We're going with the presumption that the Bandit has expressed internest in you, that you are special and so forth. The reality is that a Bandit will run from all attempts to verify them- and phone chat is one of the fastest ways to spot inconsistencies in their game. The easiest way is bust the phyiscal identify of a Time Bandit is to ask the person to "pose" next to your CM photo on their pc screen and take a photo of themselves side by side of the pc screen. This verifies their current appearance and when YOUR photo is in the snapshot, you KNOW it was taken quite recently.  

Again, not a bad idea, but no guarentee.

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What excuses does the Time Bandit uses to twart exposure? Unfortunately, most of us are perfect prey to predators because anyone on the internet is instantly redisposed to surrender common sense to be a member of these communities. The key to preventing the abuse is awareness -- to apply common sense. It is common sense that we can talk by phone and hide our identies with caller block, ID block and use calling cards to completely randomize our originating phone numbers. It is common sense that we are on this site to meet people, unless it clearly states we are not, then you must assume that if the person says they are very interested in you - no other behavior is acceptable other than what might happen if you met this person out in public. We all know what the protocols might be when we meet an exciting stranger in public, don't we?  


Not everyone works to the same protocols, again subjective.  But it's a starting point.

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What other busting tools are at my disposal? When communicating with members on this site, ask as many personal questions as humanly possible. Record and save the answers, go back re-read the emails and conversations. Look for clues like inconsistencies and excuses. More importantly, if this person frustrates you early onward, it will surely be worse later on. And finally, remember that Doms and submissives use desire to control. You should always know WHO you allow to exert that power of you.  


It is very important when you do this to notify the applicant/person that this is your intention.
Apart from copyright issues, it should be made very clear your intentions on what you will do with anothers words from the start.  If you do not, then that would be incredibly presuming and an invasion of the right to privacy.
 
Whilst the concept you are providing is pretty basic and standard, it should not be totally relied on.  It's an ok starting point but that is assuming people see it as a starting point and not as a be and end all.
 
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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/14/2008 7:33:11 AM   
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as soon as chat and communities were invented on the internet, came a whole new predator that has never existed since the dawn of time -- the time bandit.


what about the person who lets a door to door salesperson or telephone solicitor go thru there whole spiel for the fun of it  or for a freebie gift that is offer with no intentions of buying the product being offered?

What about the jock that wants to have the cheerleader as a girlfriend but she is not interested but decides to act flirtly and have him make a fool of himself

What about the guy that buys a girl a drink in the bar, she accepts  not because to wants his attention but for the free drinks  he is offering to buy

the world is full of "so called timewasters" ..it is not an internet only phenonmen
It is about 2 people coming together but they have very different wants out of the connection  ..it not that they purposely are wanting to steal your time.... it is about their want not meshing with your want ...nothing more and nothing less...it is called incompatibility.





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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/14/2008 7:46:05 AM   
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Kink friendly psychologists, do they advertise in the phone book?
If you read the DSM-V, you'd see that what we do is a psychological dysfunction. Clinically speaking.
I am certainly not saying it is wrong. I am saying clinically it is a dysfunction.


Yes, and at one point....masturbation, oral sex and homosexuality were listed as dysfunctions as well. All four were lumped into a psychosis during the Victorian era. The rule of dysfunction has more to do with the morals of the Victorian era than it does with anything psychological. So, according to earlier versions psychology if you had anything but missionary position sex with your night clothes still on, you were suffering from a psychosis.

Word is that Sado-Masochism will be removed from the next DSM.


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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/14/2008 11:01:52 AM   
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Blushes, if you told any psychologist what you do for fun in your bdsm life, they would call it a psychological problem. Why is that confusing?


No they wouldn't. BDSM is considered a healthy sexual preference. Others covered this much more extensively, but I'm adding my vote. :)

I like how he's mysteriously disappeared when I continue to call him out on his bullshit...

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/14/2008 11:25:04 AM   
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BDSM is considered a healthy sexual preference.

Passive voice, leading to a universal statement that is false.  Many clinicians consider BDSM to be a healthy sexual preference, other things being equal.  There are licensed counselors in the United States today who consider homosexuality to be an illness, even though it is no longer in the DSM.  Same with beatin on yer lover.

The historical context is this:

The roots of psychoanalysis, including the study of "sexual deviance," lie in the study of people who were manifesting societally-recognized illnesses -- they were majorly acting out, or members of the "criminal class."  So the first homosexuals, sadists and masochists who were formally studied were on the societal fringe, and probably most of them would be considered unstable by 21st century standards.  It wasn't really until the 1950s that psychologists began to study the behavior of "healthy" people also, and to develop norms for behavior that could be measured at all objectively.  So for almost half the history of psychotherapy, sexuality was only considered as a disease, or not considered at all.  That's a lot of baggage to unpack.


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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/14/2008 12:54:09 PM   
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ok i skipped the OP's post after 10 seconds of reading. but i wasted quite a bit laughing my ass off at the response from the usual suspects. i love it when someone here generalizes and gets put back in place by the interesting minds here on CM.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/14/2008 2:03:58 PM   
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BDSM is considered a healthy sexual preference.

Passive voice, leading to a universal statement that is false.  Many clinicians consider BDSM to be a healthy sexual preference, other things being equal.  There are licensed counselors in the United States today who consider homosexuality to be an illness, even though it is no longer in the DSM.  Same with beatin on yer lover.

The historical context is this:

The roots of psychoanalysis, including the study of "sexual deviance," lie in the study of people who were manifesting societally-recognized illnesses -- they were majorly acting out, or members of the "criminal class."  So the first homosexuals, sadists and masochists who were formally studied were on the societal fringe, and probably most of them would be considered unstable by 21st century standards.  It wasn't really until the 1950s that psychologists began to study the behavior of "healthy" people also, and to develop norms for behavior that could be measured at all objectively.  So for almost half the history of psychotherapy, sexuality was only considered as a disease, or not considered at all.  That's a lot of baggage to unpack.



Ah, I'll clarify: I didn't mean all doctors accept it, but psychological "canon" no longer considers consensual BDSM a "sexual deviancy". Yes, I know, there's no official stance, but demonizing BDSM in the psych profession is like Creationism vs Everything Else amongst the scientific community, if you get me.

Psychoanalysis is only a small part of the psychological field, anyway.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/14/2008 2:13:40 PM   
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I thought the "Time Bandit" was one of the crab fishing vessels on the Deadliest Catch....... on the Discovery Channel. 


so did I... is that not what the Time Bandit is... 

I was hit by the time bandit in reading this thread... Geeze.. time I will NEVER ever get back.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/14/2008 2:19:57 PM   
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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/14/2008 8:51:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Masterdarkone29

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I thought the "Time Bandit" was one of the crab fishing vessels on the Deadliest Catch....... on the Discovery Channel. 


so did I... is that not what the Time Bandit is... 

I was hit by the time bandit in reading this thread... Geeze.. time I will NEVER ever get back.
But, so do love.....Deadliest Catch.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/14/2008 9:28:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

I TRULY don't think that the OP made such bad recommendations. Perhaps the title was a poor choice? Perhaps some were already upset about other things, but...I do think this was a good post, and hopefully it will help others.

P.S. I think I may be a member of the top five of the reserve groups mentioned in your profile.

I'm not sure there is any hope for me...


It bothered me because I think he's encouraging Doms to be much more aggressive than need be, and generalizing people on the site. If Doms actually follow his advice, I'm going to get even more messages demanding that I give a phone number before someone will have an actual conversation with me. I don't want to give someone my number until I want to, and that's my choice; I don't appreciate him saying that that makes me not worth their time.

My first reply to the OP was polite; his response was very rude. How am I supposed to give credence to someone like that?


Ok, I did read both your first post to the OP, and his response. He was not rude. He explained his position. He was actually polite, just in opposition of your views. I am not his avenging angel (despite how it may seem) I just don't get all the vitriol in this thread, honestly.


You consider this polite?

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Again, place into context of male and female and think about what you just said. I'm detecting a little repressed anger here...


Cause that's what I'd call extremely arrogant and condescending. "Oh you don't agree with me, you have repressed anger."

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/14/2008 9:42:50 PM   
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Is this thread still going on? How much time will you let it steal?

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/14/2008 10:04:18 PM   
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My first reply to the OP was polite; his response was very rude. How am I supposed to give credence to someone like that?


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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxxOk, I did read both your first post to the OP, and his response. He was not rude. He explained his position. He was actually polite, just in opposition of your views. I am not his avenging angel (despite how it may seem) I just don't get all the vitriol in this thread, honestly.


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ORIGINAL: anguisette22 you consider this polite?

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Again, place into context of male and female and think about what you just said. I'm detecting a little repressed anger here...


Cause that's what I'd call extremely arrogant and condescending. "Oh you don't agree with me, you have repressed anger."


Yes, I find it polite. He is making a point, you are making a point. I see a lot less polite things here everyday. Including most of the replies to his OP.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/14/2008 11:59:51 PM   
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Truthfully, I wish I could say I was lying, Why? Because if I could admit I was lying, you would finally stop whining. I am not lying and your suffering is your own doing. Truth is how I live and most people cannot handle the truth.


Speaking as a therapist, is 'truth' in the 'DSM-5' as a 'clinical problem'?

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/15/2008 12:19:09 AM   
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the DSM, in all its incarnations, is a document created by man. As that man is imperfect. so is the DSM. Truthfully, I prefered when the DSM called odd behavior 'nuerosis' because then we could all laugh and pass it off as stress.


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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/15/2008 12:33:03 AM   
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I appreciate your attempt at an intelligent response to the post. Regardless, I cannot make anything of the references to statements you made. The attributes you identified are not corresponding to literals.

For example, you attached some of the symptoms to a time bandit as being the illness itself -- which it is clearly not.

I never said fantasy is bad nor good. Never said spending time is wasting someone's time.

The issue here is VERY simple. It's about mal-intent. Someone lacks something and then at the expense of the trust of another, lies and manipulates someone else to obtain their selfish goals. The issue is about posting false photos -- false truths about oneself -- making false promises to keep someone else on a cyber fish hook because they made themselves vulnerable by expressing what they desire.

How much more clearly do I have to define this???????????


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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/15/2008 12:41:15 AM   
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Your point is excellent.. ..when considering the real world. All your examples include things such at eyesight, sense of smell, body language, real time conversation, and everything our senses can clamp down on and determine as real. People in your examples can make their decisions based on how our biology designed us to make those decisions.

However, online, we have zero privilidge to NONE of those sensory inputs. Hence your examples are real time. On the other hand, I was discussing cyberspace.

Let's compare appless with apples, shall we?

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/15/2008 12:46:28 AM   
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some are red and some are green...apples that is!

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/15/2008 12:49:41 AM   
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Maya posted that I appear to giving license to DOMS to be more aggressive towards women.

If you go back and read my post, I NEVER EVER mention gender. I simply imply if you are being given sweet promises and find yourself frustrated by contradiction, it is indeed proper to demand verification.

Now how that translates into me persuading Doms to harrass female submissives, well, it deserves the question.... is this about repressed anger or really paying attention to what the post really says...

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/15/2008 12:51:07 AM   
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I helped develop some simple safety rules for a single female friend of mine.  According to your rules she would be a time bandit, however they have helped to resolve the issues of dealing with the arrogant HNG.

1-2 weeks of chatting via a chatroom or message board before exchanging messenger or personal email addresses. Another 1-2 weeks of talk via which ever messenger program and emails before phone.  Of course during the messenger time that also allows for voice chat and even use of a webcam, so it helps to verify some of the identity of the person she is talking to.  She keeps meticulous notes and logs, and if anything ever is in contradiction, she questions it in a non telling way, if they continue to lie, communication is cut.  If she decides she is going to meet somebody face to face, it happens in a public setting, and I am usually a booth or 3 away.

Glad your system works for you,
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