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RE: What helps You sleep? - 11/17/2005 1:15:16 PM   
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Melatonin. It's a hormone that induces sleep that your body is supposed to produce naturally, but as we age, many of us produce less. It doesn't really "cause" sleep like a drug does, it just helps let the body do what it needs to do to prepare for and fall asleep.

The "PM" drugs work pretty well, the basic sleep-inducing ingredient is basically Benadryl, and I've found that, over time, I build up a tolerance to them. I've taken as many as 5 at once, (dumb! I know! I'm NOT recommending it!) and still been wide awake.

I've used Ambien, it's good, but the effects usually last only about 4 hours. Plus, it's not recommended for long term use.

My doctor gave me an Rx for Lunesta, and for me, it works great! It doesn't make me feel drowsy and loopy like the others do. My mind just calms down, I think, "I'm just going to rest my eyes for a minute", and next thing I know, I'm taking the glasses off and rolling over to sleep. I personally think it's a great drug. I found that it kind of "taught" me to sleep again and I don't need to take them every night anymore.

I hate to recommend more drugs, but depression and anxiety disorders can cause terrible insomnia, speaking once again from experience here. I took a mild anti-anxiety drug called Serzone for about 5 years and I slept great, after having endured about 3 years of horrible insomnia. I finally divorced the main anxiety and insomnia-causing factor in my life and have been much better since.

Now, I find that a melatonin every night before bed, sometimes a couple Tylenol PM's and once in awhile a Lunesta do the trick for me. Forget orgasm (for inducing sleep, anyway!)....I'm one of those weird people who, after the initial dazed afterglow suddenly finds herself full of energy and wide awake.

chymes

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RE: What helps You sleep? - 11/17/2005 2:01:05 PM   
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A book on tape gives me something to focus one, where I can keep my eyes shut, plus the rhythm of the language puts me to sleep within a half hour or so as opposed to the hours it usually takes.
Hey I like this idea a lot, but I don't see a lot of good books on tape (or maybe a lot of books I like...). Guess a new something to search for online. M

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RE: What helps You sleep? - 11/17/2005 2:08:43 PM   
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Master! You posted! i cant believe it~ grin hehe

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RE: What helps You sleep? - 11/17/2005 2:58:53 PM   
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helps you sleep hmmmm. Orgasm.
Orgasms don't help me sleep at all... They help me relax for a little while until I want more, but rarely help me sleep... M

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RE: What helps You sleep? - 11/17/2005 3:21:56 PM   
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No offense, but I find it hard to believe that so many would suggest the use of 'aids' (referring to both OTC and RX) to fight insomnia. Try a hot bath; a nice cup of camiole tea; relaxation for 30 minutes before bed time (sitting quietly in the dark, listening to the silence or some soft soothing music). Much more safer than reaching for a pill of some sort.

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RE: What helps You sleep? - 11/17/2005 4:57:00 PM   
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The Healing Garden makes some bath aids(wash, lotion, room spray) for evening time that has chamomile in it .......... I found it at Walmart in the cosmetic section. The name of it is called zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz therapy. It is safe, smells so wonderful and clean and just gently promotes restfullness. sub lisa

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RE: What helps You sleep? - 11/17/2005 6:45:11 PM   
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Kyami,

I know you didn't mean offense, and it wasn't taken that way....but I wasn't talking about an occasional night of having trouble falling asleep. I was talking about true, clinical insomnia, where your heart begins racing as soon as the light goes out. Where your hearing becomes so hyper-sensitive that a distant corner of your house settling in the night sounds like a rifle shot. Where thoughts race uncontrollably in your mind like someone's spinning a radio dial through the stations. If someone next door closes a car door, you jump out of your skin and become even more upset because you know you just added another hour onto your "falling asleep" time. You're disgusted because you just can't fall asleep....and you can't get to sleep because you're so disgusted because you can't sleep....and on and on. If a really unpleasant thought pops into your head, like a big test coming up, or an overdrawn check, or trouble on the job, well, there's yet another shot of adrenalin into your system, complete with palpitations, sweating, and more frustration.

All the baths and camomile tea in the world aren't going to combat insomnia like that. Of course, I would hope that anyone experiencing mild insomnia would do the relaxation exercises, have orgasms, hell, have lots of orgasms :), drink warm milk. If that workd for me, I'd definitely be doing it. But it doesn't, and I'm really glad I am able to get help through OTC and Rx means.

And BTW, for some reason, watching the Japanese version of Iron Chef at 11 seems to knock me out, lol. I never make it to the end of the show.

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RE: What helps You sleep? - 11/17/2005 8:43:38 PM   
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What helps You sleep at night
when You are Restless or have had
Insomnia.

the best sleep aid is a wonderous night of pleasing and etc. a close second is being exhausted by doing things for my munchkin all day and having her with me. love is a powerful thing, and can do anything you wish it to. we find it where we can, and for me it is always with my munchkins, and sometimes with a very special kind of man. joy be to life.

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RE: What helps You sleep? - 11/17/2005 10:04:30 PM   
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Melatonin. It's a hormone that induces sleep that your body is supposed to produce naturally, but as we age, many of us produce less. It doesn't really "cause" sleep like a drug does, it just helps let the body do what it needs to do to prepare for and fall asleep.

The "PM" drugs work pretty well, the basic sleep-inducing ingredient is basically Benadryl, and I've found that, over time, I build up a tolerance to them. I've taken as many as 5 at once, (dumb! I know! I'm NOT recommending it!) and still been wide awake.

I've used Ambien, it's good, but the effects usually last only about 4 hours. Plus, it's not recommended for long term use.

My doctor gave me an Rx for Lunesta, and for me, it works great! It doesn't make me feel drowsy and loopy like the others do. My mind just calms down, I think, "I'm just going to rest my eyes for a minute", and next thing I know, I'm taking the glasses off and rolling over to sleep. I personally think it's a great drug. I found that it kind of "taught" me to sleep again and I don't need to take them every night anymore.

I hate to recommend more drugs, but depression and anxiety disorders can cause terrible insomnia, speaking once again from experience here. I took a mild anti-anxiety drug called Serzone for about 5 years and I slept great, after having endured about 3 years of horrible insomnia. I finally divorced the main anxiety and insomnia-causing factor in my life and have been much better since.

Now, I find that a melatonin every night before bed, sometimes a couple Tylenol PM's and once in awhile a Lunesta do the trick for me. Forget orgasm (for inducing sleep, anyway!)....I'm one of those weird people who, after the initial dazed afterglow suddenly finds herself full of energy and wide awake.

chymes


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Kyami,

I know you didn't mean offense, and it wasn't taken that way....but I wasn't talking about an occasional night of having trouble falling asleep. I was talking about true, clinical insomnia, where your heart begins racing as soon as the light goes out. Where your hearing becomes so hyper-sensitive that a distant corner of your house settling in the night sounds like a rifle shot. Where thoughts race uncontrollably in your mind like someone's spinning a radio dial through the stations. If someone next door closes a car door, you jump out of your skin and become even more upset because you know you just added another hour onto your "falling asleep" time. You're disgusted because you just can't fall asleep....and you can't get to sleep because you're so disgusted because you can't sleep....and on and on. If a really unpleasant thought pops into your head, like a big test coming up, or an overdrawn check, or trouble on the job, well, there's yet another shot of adrenalin into your system, complete with palpitations, sweating, and more frustration.

All the baths and camomile tea in the world aren't going to combat insomnia like that. Of course, I would hope that anyone experiencing mild insomnia would do the relaxation exercises, have orgasms, hell, have lots of orgasms :), drink warm milk. If that workd for me, I'd definitely be doing it. But it doesn't, and I'm really glad I am able to get help through OTC and Rx means.

And BTW, for some reason, watching the Japanese version of Iron Chef at 11 seems to knock me out, lol. I never make it to the end of the show.

chymes


Both of these are Heart felt as I just got out of
the Hospital and have been suffering from Insomnia.

I've tried Ambien, but it's not for long term, and not for Insomnia
I believe?

I want to get off Perscription drugs altogether.

What about Homeopathic Medicines. Anybody know of any?

Sincerely, Ant

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RE: What helps You sleep? - 11/17/2005 10:33:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesiredLamb

The Healing Garden makes some bath aids(wash, lotion, room spray) for evening time that has chamomile in it .......... I found it at Walmart in the cosmetic section. The name of it is called zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz therapy. It is safe, smells so wonderful and clean and just gently promotes restfullness. sub lisa


Y'know of all the scents they put out, I find their zzztherapy to be the -least- relaxing :) I dunno. It's a very wonderful, secure smell for me, but it's too...energizing.

I dislike lavander as a whole, but I find lavander candles help me sleep too.

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RE: What helps You sleep? - 11/18/2005 4:21:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: windchymes

Kyami,

I know you didn't mean offense, and it wasn't taken that way....but I wasn't talking about an occasional night of having trouble falling asleep. I was talking about true, clinical insomnia, where your heart begins racing as soon as the light goes out. Where your hearing becomes so hyper-sensitive that a distant corner of your house settling in the night sounds like a rifle shot. Where thoughts race uncontrollably in your mind like someone's spinning a radio dial through the stations. If someone next door closes a car door, you jump out of your skin and become even more upset because you know you just added another hour onto your "falling asleep" time. You're disgusted because you just can't fall asleep....and you can't get to sleep because you're so disgusted because you can't sleep....and on and on. If a really unpleasant thought pops into your head, like a big test coming up, or an overdrawn check, or trouble on the job, well, there's yet another shot of adrenalin into your system, complete with palpitations, sweating, and more frustration.

All the baths and camomile tea in the world aren't going to combat insomnia like that. Of course, I would hope that anyone experiencing mild insomnia would do the relaxation exercises, have orgasms, hell, have lots of orgasms :), drink warm milk. If that workd for me, I'd definitely be doing it. But it doesn't, and I'm really glad I am able to get help through OTC and Rx means.

And BTW, for some reason, watching the Japanese version of Iron Chef at 11 seems to knock me out, lol. I never make it to the end of the show.

chymes


Wouldn't yours be more attributed to anxiety? Just curious? I used to suffer from insomnia on a nightly basis, but mine was more attributed to the fact that I could not "turn my mind off", so to speak. My doctor finally explained that it was due to mild anxiety. The relaxation techniques that I learned worked wonders at helping me to overcome this. Not to imply that yours is the same as mine was, I know that there are many different reasons that can be attributed to insomnia. Just curious is all.



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RE: What helps You sleep? - 11/18/2005 4:51:09 AM   
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Windchymes

Thankyou:)

Yes, clinical insomnia is much more severe. Though, I would have thought that it was caused more by anxiety? I have never suffered from insomnia on a long term basis, so I truly know very little about it. And the times that I have experienced it, I was able to eventually overcome it without the aid of drugs ( not to mention the fact that I am an addict, so drugs of ANY kind are out of the question for me).

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RE: What helps You sleep? - 11/18/2005 5:06:50 AM   
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In review...

orgasm > walk in cold weather


Being as i live in a dorm, and actualy having myself orasm in my room just does not settle right with,i choose the latter.

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RE: What helps You sleep? - 11/18/2005 6:23:05 AM   
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Hi Kyami and Irishmist,

Yes, you're both absolutely right, mine is definitely caused by anxiety :) It's definitely a clinical sleep disorder....I can remember sleepless nights way back in grade school because report cards were coming out....or the popular girl clique was mad at me, or even sleeping over at a friend's house and everyone in the house was asleep except me...... It's just something I was born with. Unfortunately, I didn't know I had an actual medical disorder. I was so used to it, it seemed normal for me.

Finally, about 8 years ago, I consulted a doctor because it was getting unbearable, and he suggested it was a mild anxiety disorder and suggested I try the Serzone. And it worked great. But I also don't WANT to be on drugs (who does, really?), and my life settled down, I tried not taking them, and I was okay for a few years.

And when life is going okay, then I'm okay, I don't use all the drugs. But then something comes up, life's shit hits my ceiling fans and I can't sleep. And nothing else works but the stuff I mentioned earlier. Like I said earlier, I once took 5 Tylenol PM's praying I'd fall alseep! It was a real war between the wooziness of the drug making my head spin and my mind and body jerking with jolts of adrenalin, insisting it was staying awake. Once, I drank grain alcohol just so I'd pass out. I did....and woke up an hour later, having to pee....and then I couldn't go back to sleep! It's really hard to explain unless you've experienced really severe anxiety-related insomnia.

Maybe I should take a long-term anti-anxiety drug? But....I really don't want to take drugs! lol (And besides....low libido and antiorgasmia are common side effects of most of those drugs and I ain't going there!) I've found something that works for me for my insomnia and, at least right now, I'd like to just stick with that. Also, I'd like to mention that, during the day, I'm fine. I don't have anxiety "attacks", I deal with situations very well, am sensible and mature and "normal" appearing to the rest of the world. It's when my head hits the pillow and the light goes out.....if one errant thought pops into my head....bang! the heart jumps and starts racing, the mind starts to go.....it's a sleep disorder. Sometimes, your brain is so conditioned to it that you can even have anxiety about insomnia! Sometimes it happens as you're actually drifting off....it creeps in....'hey...I'm falling asleep! yay!"........and bang! wide awake! It sucks!!!!

Also....insomnia can be related to hormonal changes, PMS (no surprise there....insomnia is always worse when I'm PMSing) and low blood sugar. Sometimes, a SMALL healthy snack right before bed can help keep your blood sugar stable. Because, it's probably been several hours since you've eaten dinner, and if you're prone to hypoglycemia (spells of very low blood sugar), your body, short of glucose/glycogen reserves it normally uses for fuel and energy turns to adrenalin. And you know how inducive adrenalin is to sleep!

I don't mean to blather on here about this the way I have. And I do so wholeheartedly recommend relaxation/meditation/hypnosis-type exercises, tea, milk, walks, sex, reading, tv, whatever, if that works then that's absolutely what you should be doing! I don't post on these boards about subjects I don't know a lot about, and many times, I like to just crack a joke here or there. But this subject....I'm the QUEEN!!!


Thanks,
chymes

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Sleep Aids - 11/18/2005 6:31:28 AM   
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My Master makes me sleep. IN the BEST possible way. hehehe

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RE: Sleep Aids - 11/18/2005 7:18:09 AM   
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I use to have a job getting to sleep,tossing and turning,the only time i could sleep was while watching the TV,or when it was time to get up for work in the morning.
Quite often when you have things on your mind that are worry you it prevents sleep.
But ive found that with certain exercises i do now ive been sleeping very well,almost as soon as my head hits the pillow.
I just do some simple breathing exercises,doesnt need any special stance,can be done or while laying.
I see it on a Russian Martial Arts Site,the Russians are very much into the mind,pyscology,sixth sense,etc.
The breathing is deep breathing,breath in all the way,hold for a count of say 6,then breath all the way out through the mouth,then repeat,while your concentrating on your breaths,your mind will empty of any thoughts,just think of the breathing and counting,you will drift off.

Another good exercise they also share is cold showers,its good for building vital nerve strenght,cold water makes the body warm up very fast,it shocks the system and makes it work,its very refreshing and calming.
What i do,is my way,i have a hot bath,then once ive finished i throw cold water over myself,believe it or not once you get over the initial shock of the cold water hitting your body,it feels great,your body soon warms up.

If you have a hot bath then get out to dry yourself,sometimes you feel cold,but if you throw cold water over yourself after a hot bath,it has the opposite affect,you dont feel cold.Its great.

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RE: What helps You sleep? - 11/18/2005 7:57:40 AM   
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quote:

I want to get off Perscription drugs altogether.

What about Homeopathic Medicines. Anybody know of any?


There are plenty out there. Go to a health food store they usually have a book there where you can look up your ailment then go buy your merchandise.
I still suggest meditating. It has also amazed me how many here will just automatically go to drugs. That would be my absolute last resort. I will not harm my body in any way...of course that is me though.

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RE: Sleep Aids - 11/18/2005 9:49:56 AM   
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That is not bad considering Aileen68 was claiming you and your Master were a figment of my imagination...D

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RE: What helps You sleep? - 11/18/2005 1:14:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: windchymes

Hi Kyami and Irishmist,

Yes, you're both absolutely right, mine is definitely caused by anxiety :) It's definitely a clinical sleep disorder....


Hiya, first of all, I Am Not A Docter and not qualified to give medical advice.... this is only from personal experience:

I've been suffering from insomnia for several years now, in combination with depressed feelings to varying degrees, extreme fatigue, restlessnes in my head, lack of concentration, etc....
* I've had varying results with melatonin. Sometimes I sleep better with it. More often it takes me as long to fall alseep without it, but I seem to be more relaxed waiting for the onset of sleep.
* Meditation doesn't work for me. I like it, but meditation is an activity. I helps me relax, and takes away some of the fatigue, but it also wakes me up :)
* A day or five ago I got tipped that many symptoms might me related to a magnesium shortage - considering my former lifestyle (lousy food, periods of alcohol abuse as well as periods of heavy sports training) that sounded not implausible. So I'm giving it a shot. I've only been trying magnesium supplements for a few days yet, but I've cheered up remarkably, I have tons more energy, far less muscle tension, etc. Now,when I go to bed, I actually feel relaxed. A bit too early to be firm about it, but I think this actually works (for me). So, for what it's worth, you might want to read http://www.coldcure.com/html/dep.html for more information, do's & don'ts, etc.

Roel

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RE: Sleep Aids - 11/18/2005 2:19:10 PM   
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hehe well, Master makes me sleep like a kitten but is anything but soporific...

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