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RE: Why do I have to pay attention? - 10/23/2008 10:00:09 AM

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There is only one reason to watch and pay attention, it is because your Master says he wants you to. It is because it pleases him to have you watch, any other questions?

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RE: Why do I have to pay attention? - 10/23/2008 10:23:30 AM

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I don't know.. This thread saddens me.. alot..

I think that voting is not an issue that can be taken lightly, and please, please don't.
I'm from europe, but I'd give anything to be able to vote for this election, because whether you like it or not, the outcome is gonna affect more than just USA.
I think that voting for the candidate your master told you to is, in my opinion, VERY disrespectful for those who fought for voting rights.
In my opinion, this isn't a friggin BDSM game, it's USA's future.
And voting for someone else is like lying... Dishonest... The candidate would win based on dishonesty.
I don't mean to judge Tsatske.. But it's just my opinion, and this saddens me alot.

i kinda have to agree here.
honestly, if my Dom wanted me to vote along with him, regardless of what i thought, i'd be freaked out.
whatever works for other people works for them, but it would definitely not work for me.
voting is EXTREMELY important to me, my grandparents still remember when they or their family members were threatened to stay away from the polls. people literally died so that i could vote, not just as a brown person but as a female, too. so to give my vote away to someone else, essentially giving someone else TWO shots at having their voice heard when everyone else in the country only gets one, well, no way, not doing that.
of course the lovely thing is, i'm pretty sure my Dom would NEVER ask me to do that.

and i have to agree -- what happens with our elections here in america affect people all over the world. whoever we elect here is still essentially the most powerful leader in the world, and our policies affect the lives of billions of people who don't even get a say in it.

i also have to agree with kitten on the idea that your kink should not interfere with the lives of other people. and by giving your vote away, in my OPINION, you're doing just that. i'd almost rather you didn't vote at all than to go vote for someone you don't really believe in just because someone told you to.

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RE: Why do I have to pay attention? - 10/23/2008 10:43:54 AM

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im curious, is it normal for a slave to give up her right to vote. are her rights so completely abolished by slavery that she isnt allowed a political stance atall.

OK, I suspect I'm going to surprise a few people with this one given that I normally present a "dom-lite" face here. And yes, this is strictly my own interpretation, not intended for anyone else's relationship.

Yes, my wife did give up her right to vote, or at least the authority to exercise that right. She gave that up along with everything else except the choice to not be my slave anymore. That is the one and only decision that remains to her. Despite what my postings about sweetness and light may look like, my opinion about "slave" is that the first time the word "no" is uttered, it is the end of the M/s relationship (not necessarily the end of the relationship between the two people -- some exceptions apply).

All that being said, this is an area that I also feel strongly, on several counts. First, I feel that voting is important so she is definitely going to vote. Secondly, I think that her opinion is valid and worthwhile and while we will certainly discuss our votes and almost certainly end up voting the same, it won't be me commanding her. We voted the same long before we were M/s -- we're just in sync. Finally, I feel that being at least somewhat knowledgeable about what is going on in our country is important so yes, I make her watch debates, and I send her various websites that try to clarify the issues and the candidates. While I am appreciative that she chooses to submit to me, I NEED her to be able to function on her own as an adult in the event of my untimely demise. To me, part of being an adult in America is being at least somewhat politically aware.

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RE: Why do I have to pay attention? - 10/23/2008 10:58:17 AM

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Well said and your slave/wife is lucky and I'm happy that you are so happy and I'm further happy that you posted your happiness!

Posturing and outrage or sadness or false pity about whether or not one should cede one's right to vote is not relevant, not helpful. Anyone can post whatever they want; if you want to answer the OP then the only question was, "why do I have to watch the debates?"

The OP invites speculation about the motives of her Dom and she admits that and qualifies it with (paraphrasing) wanting to hear from other Doms about what their motivation might be in similar cirumstances.

It seems to me most of the Doms read appropriately and answered appropriately. Some of the other posters may want to start a separate thread so they can crow about how they would never allow another authority over their vote. (Or search the archives, as it's been done.)

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RE: Why do I have to pay attention? - 10/23/2008 11:04:22 AM

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Um did you honestly expect someone to post something like this, and not have a few people trying to voice their opinion on the matter. The question might have been one thing, but when you put out a post out there, you can only expect to be commented on all of it.

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RE: Why do I have to pay attention? - 10/23/2008 11:06:43 AM

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seriously.
it's an open forum.

*keeps "crowing"*

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RE: Why do I have to pay attention? - 10/23/2008 11:21:09 AM

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Um did you honestly expect someone to post something like this, and not have a few people trying to voice their opinion on the matter. The question might have been one thing, but when you put out a post out there, you can only expect to be commented on all of it.

I have no expectations, especially regarding an online forum. Neither should you or I expect "to be commented on all of it." As I said, anyone can post whatever they want. In that way, I can point out to you and others that what you wrote wasn't relevant to the questions she asked. Nor do I believe was it helpful and probably not appreciated either.

The only motive I can imagine for ignoring her questions and instead expressing YOUR intensity about what she and her Dom have already agreed to and is not in any way in question in the OP, is to be able to express YOUR position. Or was it for some other reason?

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RE: Why do I have to pay attention? - 10/23/2008 12:10:14 PM

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Honestly, just because someone asks a question doesn't mean that THAT'S the only thing that is allowed to be taken up.. And nor does it make any other comment related. All comments here are related, very much so, to what she maybe. Not not as relevant to what she wanted to hear. But we ARE allowed to express our opinions. And I did say it's just my opinion, and yes I feel very strongly about this, and which is why I want my voice heard. That's enough for me.

Anyway, the reason I did not answer her question was that at first everything else that she had said was what stood out to me. Later on, everyone else had already said what I would have on that matter, and would only feel like I was coming with redundant information.

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RE: Why do I have to pay attention? - 10/23/2008 12:13:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: subtee
Well said and your slave/wife is lucky and I'm happy that you are so happy and I'm further happy that you posted your happiness!

Thanks, but not relevant to this :)

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Posturing and outrage or sadness or false pity about whether or not one should cede one's right to vote is not relevant, not helpful. Anyone can post whatever they want; if you want to answer the OP then the only question was, "why do I have to watch the debates? The OP invites speculation about the motives of her Dom and she admits that and qualifies it with (paraphrasing) wanting to hear from other Doms about what their motivation might be in similar cirumstances."

OK, which I thought I had explored, perhaps poorly. In the last paragraph, I gave my reasons for why I would or would not command her to vote and/or follow the elections. Maybe making this more clear... Whether or not I commanded her to vote a certain way, I would expect her to have at least minimal political awareness. My reasoning for that decision would be that even if she is now relying on my judgement to participate in our democracy, I might flip my miata today and then where'd she be? It was at least my intent to explore the question both from the angle of "rights" and from the angle of pragmatic implementation of those rights. At least to me, both sides were "spot on" to the question.

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The only motive I can imagine for ignoring her questions and instead expressing YOUR intensity about what she and her Dom have already agreed to and is not in any way in question in the OP, is to be able to express YOUR position. Or was it for some other reason?

Well, I gave my reasons anyway... which basically was that I thought I was providing an answer... a well rounded and complete one. It wasn't clear to me that I had expressed any judgement about whatever her dom and she had agreed to. In fact, I don't have any judgement about it. I've gone over the "voting rights" question in my head from the same topic on the gorean board and I see no moral or ethical issues either way so it'd be really unlikely that I'd be casting judgements on whatever way they chose. Nor was it my intention to "posture" or express outrage, sadness, or false pity. Where'd you get any of that in my post?

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RE: Why do I have to pay attention? - 10/23/2008 12:19:13 PM

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Oh good grief, I wasn't writing my post to you except 'well said" and happy, happy, happy.

The rest was to some of the rest.

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RE: Why do I have to pay attention? - 10/23/2008 12:23:13 PM

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Honestly, just because someone asks a question doesn't mean that THAT'S the only thing that is allowed to be taken up.. And nor does it make any other comment related. All comments here are related, very much so, to what she maybe. Not not as relevant to what she wanted to hear. But we ARE allowed to express our opinions. And I did say it's just my opinion, and yes I feel very strongly about this, and which is why I want my voice heard. That's enough for me.

Anyway, the reason I did not answer her question was that at first everything else that she had said was what stood out to me. Later on, everyone else had already said what I would have on that matter, and would only feel like I was coming with redundant information.

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RE: Why do I have to pay attention? - 10/23/2008 12:44:23 PM

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Har har. Funny...

Anyway we all are entitled to voice our opinions, and trying to turn off those voices because you don't agree is just way close minded.
This will be my last post in this thread, i feel I've caused a bit too much trouble here. Feel free to say what you want. I've expressed my voice and that's all I need

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RE: Why do I have to pay attention? - 10/23/2008 12:50:34 PM

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I didn't really think it mattered for the common man or woman to vote at all...i thought it all depended on who's cousin was counting the votes and that the whole democratic voting system was completely ahem rigged? but i might be wrong...

as for watching the debates...can you safe word your way out of it?
aternatively use the time to meditate...it is quite easy to switch off to what you're watching if you practise a bit and concentrate on nicer things instead.
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RE: Why do I have to pay attention? - 10/23/2008 5:33:38 PM

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Nice to know people respect authority transfer and informed consent UNLESS it goes against what they believe in...which is different than some people saying "spanking is abuse" how???

To the OP- just because he wants yout final level push to be in one way doesn't mean he doesn't want to discuss the issues and expect you to be informed and have conversations about them. In fact knowing the full issues and STILL simply obeying can make it more meaningful in his eyes.

And yes, my ex owners had total say over who/how/when/what I voted for, and if you don't like it, that's really your problem. I'm happy with my slavery.

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RE: Why do I have to pay attention? - 10/23/2008 5:37:02 PM

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i see your point about letting off steam and i see your point about starting a topic for discussion, and it is a good one. The responses have been enlightening for me as well, being new to this sub stuff & all. Master and i don't discuss politics. He tells me his opinion and i murmmer questions that will give Him an opportunity to expound on His thoughts. He hasn't asked me about mine, and that's fine with me, cause i'm a Wal-Mart Mom and will decide when i hit the booth, lol.
i think it's nice that He wants You to watch and learn about the politics of Our country. It won't kill you to know something about it. It obvously interests Him, so like a lot of other stuff, just go with Him on it.
But, this caught my eye ...

If you are collared, then you should not be here asking advice from other Doms. Period.

You need to sort this out with your own Dom. If you want to keep his collar, you should not be whining about your Dom in public. You are putting your Dom up for criticism by those who have no business butting in to your relationship.

IMO, perhaps posting in the "Ask a submissive" would have been more prutent. If i'm not mistaken, one who is collared is a representative of The Owner, and needs to be mindful of what she does and more importantly, how she does it? i may be way off base here, cause i'm still learning, and that's how it is with U/us. Your milage may vary.
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Everyone who posts should be mindful of what they do and how they do it.
However, many of us who are collared are also free to express themselves in any way we wish; our masters/mistresses trust us to be able to make the points we need to make without embarassing them.
Just because the leash is lax does not mean that they don't have control.
They have so much control that they know that they don't need the tension in the leash.
The forums are open for anyone from any side of the slash to post.
That's good enough for us.

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RE: Why do I have to pay attention? - 10/23/2008 11:13:58 PM

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I have to smile at all the folks who were saying whadda mean I can't vote that's a deal breaker. There are plenty of places you can't vote and guess what there not "mindless folks" Voting is not a right it's a privilege. Furthermore it has to be earned. For those of you that think it's a right. Pick up a weapon and stand post and defend your "right"

Countless wars have been fought over that very concept. The US has had a few from 1776 up to Vietnam so ppl can vote. In the world view more that half the population doesn't have the "right to vote. China for instance. Consider yourself lucky if you don't have to go out and "earn that right".

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RE: Why do I have to pay attention? - 10/24/2008 12:43:12 PM

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Now's not the time time to mention that I have no idea what political affilliations M has , after knowing him for almost 9 yrs, then?

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RE: Why do I have to pay attention? - 10/24/2008 5:36:01 PM

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I just wanted to say to the OP that I'm sorry she's gotten so much heat for agreeing to vote as told. I don't agree with it, wouldn't be in such a relationship and in fact strongly opppose and would try to talk someone out of it. But that's my thing and that wasn't the point of the post - IMHO.

As for why, I have no clue. If he's going to tell me what to do without consideration for what I want/how I feel, then I do really need to form an educated opinion on the issue? Unless he's going to get a sadistic kick out of twisting my emotions around and making me do something I feel shouldn't be done. Maybe that is what is going on or maybe, as another poster suggested, he wants you to discuss the issue with him to help him figure out what he wants to do. Because you two are leaning different ways the discussion could bring out new angles that he hasn't considered before.

That and I really don't get the "you shame your owner by asking this question" response. Why assume she doesn't have permission when it's just as easy to assume she does? I don't feel the need to put a disclaimer on every post I make going "VALYRAEN SAID I CAN POST THIS SO IT'S OK. YOU DON'T NEED TO SCOLD ME".

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RE: Why do I have to pay attention? - 10/24/2008 5:49:56 PM

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Since he is obviously right and you agree with him, what are you doing ?

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