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RE: "Old Ways" - 10/26/2008 9:27:22 PM

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Just so we understand one another, could you be more specific about the time and place you're referring to.

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The time is now. The place is wherever those who decide to live to those standards so choose to. Maybe if you didn't' take the post so literally... ?

"Edited" Then again. I've been known to be wrong. LOL. Won't be a first time... *Wanders off mumbling*

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RE: "Old Ways" - 10/27/2008 4:26:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: CruelDesires

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ORIGINAL: Rover

Just so we understand one another, could you be more specific about the time and place you're referring to.

John

The time is now. The place is wherever those who decide to live to those standards so choose to. Maybe if you didn't' take the post so literally... ?

"Edited" Then again. I've been known to be wrong. LOL. Won't be a first time... *Wanders off mumbling*

C-D

And that would be a legitimate reply, C-D. So why the cloak and dagger, and refusal to answer?

But I think it's clear that was not her intention, and she has determined that I am not worthy of the information she possess (and has been passed down to her by generations of cyber oracles).

John

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RE: "Old Ways" - 10/28/2008 9:01:15 AM

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Well had to go home to a old site and found something there that may be helpful??

BDSM in North America is derived from gay motorcycle clubs that were around after troops returned from WWII. That's where calling a leather-clad guy "sir" comes from, along with some of the older slave poses, and so on. Because they were organized groups, they had sets of rules (which are uncommon nowadays, since BDSM households, rather than clubs, now predominate), and those rules differed quite a bit from club to club. Some did things like starting off novices as subs, then, after some apprenticeship, letting them try their hand at switching, eventually working their way up to being doms - but others had no such rule. So sweeping generalities don't really apply.

Something else that doesn't apply is any historical basis for hetero BDSM groups that predate the mid 1960s. Out here on the west coast, a computer scientist named Robin Roberts started the Menlo Park School of Bondage in 1967, and all hetero BDSM traditions here derive from that pioneering group. Similar things happened in places like NYC. But if you look for evidence of "Old Guard" BDSM groups prior to the mid 1940s, whether gay or straight, you're not going to find any, just a lot of fancy stories which resemble attempts to derive the Freemasons from the Knights Templar.

Jay Wiseman is the person to look to if you want the complete story. He's researched the field very thoroughly, and is a great guy, if you look over what he's written and have any questions, I'm sure he'd be happy to answer them. This was a reply from another member there...hope it helps some?

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RE: "Old Ways" - 10/28/2008 9:07:26 AM

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This was a reply from another member there...hope it helps some?

That was well written and historically accurate. Thanks for sharing it, Frank.

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RE: "Old Ways" - 10/28/2008 7:33:29 PM

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Gay males after WWII are commonly referred to as Old Guard. If this profile was written by a female, then it is safe to say she never experienced the old ways. And the same goes for any male much under the age of 80.

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RE: "Old Ways" - 10/28/2008 7:45:58 PM

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Not to be confused with the English Bizarre Magazine, the US Bizarre was first started by John Alexander Scott Coutts, also known as John Willie (English Slang for penis) in 1946 He was an artist, photographer, writer, publisher and banjo player, and was often called the Leonardo Da Vinci of fetish. The original Bizarre Magazine was sold purely by mail order and its pages contained amazing hand drawn pictures, photos and stories all written by Coutts and sometimes a contributor or two. During this time John Willie's most famous character, Sweet Gwendoline, was created, and each episode would detail how Gwendoline would foil (usually with help) the foul machinations of Sir Dystic D'Arcy (A comic book version of himself) and still be tied up in complicated rope bondage situations (John Willie was an avid fan) for most of the pages.
In 1957 Bizarre was given or sold (John Willie never specified) to his secretary and her then boyfriend but according to Fakir Musafar, who was both a correspondent of Willie's and a contributor (article on the Ibitoe), he was not happy with how they ran it or what they did to the magazine.
John Willie Couts died in 1962 a penniless and bitter man.

http://wiki.bmezine.com/index.php/Bizarre_Magazine_(US)

Plus there was Exotique magazine which began in the 1950s.
http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Reprint-Exotique-1951-1957-Special/dp/3822874361/ref=pd_sim_b_3

Now in and of themselves, they aren't proof of much but they sure make one wonder what all was going on back then. Anyone have any info on what was going on in Europe in the 1950s? I know some of the clubs my father talks about would be shocking even today but those were early 1960s.

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