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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/17/2004 1:48:35 PM   
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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/17/2004 7:13:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Leonidas
You may well have seen situations online where this is so, I don't know. It could also be that the way that we interact is unfamilliar to you, and so you just interpret it that way. There are lots of peacock HNGs on a power trip out there who like to tell a woman to be quiet for the hell of it, but then, you'll find that type here on collarme too (though they tend to troll the profiles more than post to the boards, I think).


I have no problem with Gorean interactions in a Gorean setting. If I were to participate in a Gorean board, then I'd be choosing to follow their rules. It's when it's on a public non-Gorean specific board, that some feel they should be thrusting it down the throats of others, that gets to me.

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I don't know any serious Gorean man who thinks that women aren't worthy of conversation. A woman who can express her opinions with intellectual weight and persuasiveness without becoming combative or resorting to personal attacks, as many of our women can with astonishing grace, is anything but unworthy.


Though Gor isn't for me, you're the sort of person who makes it look tempting .

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/17/2004 7:26:42 PM   
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It's when it's on a public non-Gorean specific board, that some feel they should be thrusting it down the throats of others, that gets to me.


It should get you, as far as I'm concerned. It's rude. If you took from what I said that I condone that kind of thing, I must not have expressed myself clearly. I was only commenting about what we (or at least those of us that I would consider somewhat serious) do when we are among our own.

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Though Gor isn't for me, you're the sort of person who makes it look tempting


Thank you. I would hope that everyone would want to reflect well on their community in a mixed setting. I am aware that isn't always the case with people who call themselves Gorean.

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/17/2004 8:24:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Leonidas
It should get you, as far as I'm concerned. It's rude. If you took from what I said that I condone that kind of thing, I must not have expressed myself clearly. I was only commenting about what we (or at least those of us that I would consider somewhat serious) do when we are among our own.


No, I didn't infer that from what you were saying I understand how it works in a Gorean setting, and that if I were to enter that setting, I'd play by your rules. Just commenting that some feel it's ok to force their genre-specific rules on everyone else. Kinda like having basketballers crash a netball game and trying to take over.

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Thank you. I would hope that everyone would want to reflect well on their community in a mixed setting. I am aware that isn't always the case with people who call themselves Gorean.


I've come across more people who put me off it than make it appealing. It is nice to see someone who puts thought into it, and makes it appealing to others.

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/17/2004 10:04:42 PM   
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thrusting it down the throats of others


I like the way you put that....

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/18/2004 12:45:28 AM   
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thrusting it down the throats of others


I like the way you put that....


Heh. There as some things I don't mind being thrust down my throat (deep throating is a skill I'd like to be able to boast about one day ).

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/25/2004 7:38:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry but noticed there were a few post on here that had not been read yet by this girl.

After reading exactly what was being said and trying to make sure it was the intended
message. Once again stormi felt the need to stand a little closer to the fire.

In all the time that this girl has lived her "submissive and slave" life, there has never been
a time when it was truly felt that anyone was trying to "force/thrust their beliefs down this girl's throat."

It can be honestly said that be the folks Leather or Gorean there has never been a time that any one has
tried to force someone to live as they live. Do they debate the beliefs or style? Hell yes, who doesn't. But
no one tries to force someone else to live their lifestyle.

Joe Blo, Dip Stick, Dickless Wonder, may live their life one way.... be it Gorean, BDSM, M/s, D/s, or just
dayum plain kinky. They may debate that someone does not do it as they interrupt the way it should be
done, but who gives a dayum.

There are Doms/Masters/Mistress who insist their sub/slave/property call everyone Mistress,
Master, Sir. That is their right to do so; they are the one in charge. Does it mean that a kajira/kajirus,
sub, slave or property thinks its right? Hell no.

There was a thread recently on bondage about a Mistress who insisted in gatherings her boy address
men as Sir. This boy threw one big tantrum over it. It was important that this Mistress not be embarrassed
by the boy in informal or formal club gatherings. She did not insist that he call them Master, just that he
use the term Sir when called for (Thank You Sir, nice to meet you Sir, yes Sir, no Sir.
He said she was forcing him to belittle his manhood. In the end it was a breaking point for what looked to
be a good thing for both.

As Master Bear's slave, this girl RESPECTS Him and His wishes enough to do her best to comply with the
things that Master has said He wants. It is not always easy nor is it always accomplished but, the heart,
the spirit, and the will to serve is there, and so is the effort to try. That is the important thing to remember.

No Gorean man that this girl has ever encountered has treated women with anything less than respect.
While they are in charge. They do not treat women as dirt. If they did, many would not have wives or what
they call free companions. Nor would they talk to free women with respect when they are in a Dominant
place. But believe it or not, most Goreans are very well behaved, they have manners and they actually do use
silverware, napkins, drink from a glass. Now in some cases, as in this girl's home. stormi has the pleasure of
always fixing Master's plate and drink and serving to Him. Even in public. stormi places the drink order when
being seated by Master, Master tells stormi what He wants for dinner and stormi orders it. It is my pleasure to
make sure His lemon is squeezed into His drink; it is my pleasure to make sure that He has all the things that
make His meal what He wants.

kiki, if someone has tried to shove anything down your throat concerning their lifestyle, you are right to
defend, be angry, or argumentative about it. Without doubt that is right for you and everyone has the right to
defend and live as they choose.

By the same token, it is this girl's right to use speech that Master desires. Master enjoys stormi referring to
herself in 3rd person. One thing that some might have noticed but some might not is that stormi never uses
the term "her Master". It's always stormi's Master or Master of stormi. For stormi, to use the term "her Master"
is implying ownership of a Master. It is clearly not the case in this house. Master is who He is. He is in charge.
He is stormi's owner both online and off. It is not His intent to silence stormi... but will if she allows her temper
the better of her.

You are all 100% correct ....... this is not a Leather Board, it's not a Gorean Board, it's not a Christian Board, It's not a
Daycare Board, but it is a board that is used to allow everyone without prejudice to state their mind or feelings.

Until the day that the moderators or for that matter the ones that do not think that stormi has this right can convince
Master of that or ban stormi from this site altogether, stormi will continue to show respect to Master as it is HIS
preferences that are important to her, which includes 3rd party speech.

Dipped in chocolate!


be well,
stromi
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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/25/2004 8:36:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: stormiKnightBEAR
Until the day that the moderators or for that matter the ones that do not think that stormi has this right can convince
Master of that or ban stormi from this site altogether, stormi will continue to show respect to Master as it is HIS
preferences that are important to her, which includes 3rd party speech.


Someone using 3rd person is vastly different from someone telling others they shouldn't be asking dominants a question because they're submissive. The former is more of an idioscyncricy, the latter is more bad manners and lack of acceptable social interaction. I kinda like seeing people do the 3rd person thing, if they can do it well (which you do). The folks who don't do it well remind me of Bob from the tv show Becker.

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Dipped in chocolate!


Who's being dipped and who's doing the licking?

be well,
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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/25/2004 11:03:05 AM   
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It's when it's on a public non-Gorean specific board, that some feel they should be thrusting it down the throats of others

Any thread on this board that addresses a Alternate Lifestyle is a part of Collarme for Collarme is not spacific on any side of the Lifestyle. And yes Sum are way more passionate about Their Lifestyles then others.
If a thread is started that addresses a certain item in a area that is specific to a area that you are not familiar with it would be smart to
understand that different folks in different Lifestyles act in different ways
from whats concidered the * norm*. Any Gorean seeing the words here would know that there are Strong Goreans from differing Sides of the coin in debate here on objects and differing personalities that are hashed out in the way that any Gorean would hash out such things. If it looks weird from anothers point a view that is because it is not a area that they are use to seeing or addressing thats all. Goreans are ruff and tuff Folks, and most either Man or Woman whom are Free much less the slaves take no gruff. Those whom are thin skinned Id say need not be a part of such a thing either online or in real life that would offend them in simple words alone. The saying on Gor is: Gor is not fair, Gor is Gor and Goreans are not always Fair nor Respectful if They feel slighted or Their Homestones ways slighted in the least. That would be a learning experiance for any Id say.
Good words Bears slave, and alltho I My self do not always agree with Bears ways of Gor They are not none the less right for He and His. you show Him proud this day in your words. We all Love Our Gorean Lifes and live them in Our own ways regardless of what other Goreans think or the Alternate Lifestyle Community or the Vanilla world think as a whole if We are strong Goreans and will always stand up for Our Gor. My slaves speak in third person both online and in real life. My slaves online are not the same slaves I Own in real life, but both still are totally under My Word in Gor and follow My Homestones ways. speaking in third person is a slave item to Me and not a Gorean one however. My slaves spoke in third person long befor I became Gor. Those whom do not like it nor understand it will not have a clue thats all till they take the time and read the books and learn Our harsh world an differing Alternate ways.I was always taught that when in Rome try to do as the Romans do hence if there is a Thread on GOR, I would expect to address those that are Gor on it in the Gorean ways just as I am suppose to treat all here in the manner they are use to for the most part in Their Lifestyle threads, and which I do for the most part am sumwhat civil even tho it totally goes against My personality in My Lifestyle ways. That is what showing tolerance and respect for others ways and views is all about. The truth is that on My Gor submissives do not exsist, only total slaves do, and a slave does not speak unless spoken to or asked permission to speak and ask a question, and on a Gor thread I would expect to see such just the same as stormi here is a slave of Gor and has gained permission from Bear to speak here befor doing so. As a Free Woman I am suppose to be respected by the Free Men and vice versa and when One tempts to treat Me as a slave thru words that is where He will catch My Rath which on Gor is My right to invoke such words till they are intolerable just as it is written in the Gor books and a Free Man whom has gained such rath for ill actions cannot gainsay anything about the words as it is My Right as a Free Woman to say such with out judgement, much less judgement from submissives whom are not of Gor. These are things that those not of Gor would not have a clue about nor those of another Alternate Lifestyle and would tempt to pass judgement based off of Their Lifestyle rules which do not hold with in My Lifestyles ways of Gor. That is all. In My Gor there are within the books two kinds of silks for slaves red and white, however there are slaves that are taught special gifts to use and present and that is where the differing colors of silks came to being to distinguish what kind of special training a slave has gained above simply being a slave of use and these colors were used both online and real life for those whom use slaves silks for Their posessions to wear. There are not many Gor slaves whom actually wear anything while at home within the Gor Homes that I know as most are kept naked thru out their days and only dress for occations or to go out to the public if there are not children in the Homes. So the other silks that slaves wear are whats called a online cyberizum that either was taken from real life Goreans use or put together by the Administrators of a Homestone that this would be the law for Their Gor. Many areas on Gor slaves do not wear silks at all nor work off of the silks color scheme. JMO=Just My Opinion

For Gor chat room interaction either for Free MSN or Pay MSN copy and paste this link in your address line and go to either learn Gor or to read the Gor books.
There is also links with in the Homestones City that lead back from the chat room to Collarme as well.
If there is enough interest We will come back to Collarme and open back the World of Gor chat room 24/7 in the chat area that was open in the beginning when collarme chat first opened for both Teaching and online roleplay of Gor.
http://chat.msn.com/chatroom.msnw?rm=%7F%2D%27%2D%7F&cat=LF&lang=1&codeconduct=on&des=

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/25/2004 8:07:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressDREAD
The saying on Gor is: Gor is not fair, Gor is Gor and Goreans are not always Fair nor Respectful if They feel slighted or Their Homestones ways slighted in the least. That would be a learning experiance for any Id say.


Goreans don't have the monopoly on things not being fair. Life isn't fair.

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I was always taught that when in Rome try to do as the Romans do hence if there is a Thread on GOR, I would expect to address those that are Gor on it in the Gorean ways just as I am suppose to treat all here in the manner they are use to for the most part in Their Lifestyle threads,


A thread about Gor does not mean we should behave in Gorean ways. We are discussing Gorean activities and beliefs, not subscribing to the beliefs. If it was a Gorean only board, or a High Protocol board, then the users would agree to interact in a certain way. As this board is neither, then we interact as we do elsewhere.

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The truth is that on My Gor submissives do not exsist, only total slaves do, and a slave does not speak unless spoken to or asked permission to speak and ask a question, and on a Gor thread I would expect to see such just the same as stormi here is a slave of Gor and has gained permission from Bear to speak here befor doing so.


As what I've written above, the content of the thread should in no way dictate the social structure of those responding.

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/25/2004 8:38:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		"I was always taught that when in Rome try to do as the Romans do hence if there is a Thread on GOR, I would expect to address those that are Gor on it in the Gorean ways just as I am suppose to treat all here in the manner they are use to for the most part in Their Lifestyle threads, and which I do for the most part"

Kiki already said it,but i can't help adding emphasis. If you are in Rome and start talking about London (or Gor), then you are still in Rome, not London (or Gor).

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/26/2004 5:36:12 AM   
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well said!!!


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stormi
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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/26/2004 11:28:54 AM   
January


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if there is a Thread on GOR, I would expect to address those that are Gor on it in the Gorean ways


DREAD,

The problem with Gor protocol on a Gor thread is that you shut down questions by Gor newbies or Gor curious. They may lurk, but they'll never ask quesions, because they know if they screw up the protocol, someone will yell at them.. The thread becomes nothing but lectures about failed protocol, not about what Gor really is.

So if your purpose is to educate folks about Gor, you would be missing the mark.

As one of those clueless Gor-curious, I've really, really enjoyed asking questions of the board Goreans, without having to pretend I'm kajira.

January

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/26/2004 12:24:57 PM   
stormiKnightBEAR


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Status: offline 		January,

You are welcomed to come to Master's html chat room for Goreans
anytime.

Right now Master is seldom in due to football season and His being a
coach.

BUT please go to the sight... click on the avatar of KnightStorm Warder
for a direct hit on information about the camp and Gorean ways/beliefs.

http://www.magnachat.com:8080/gor/camp_of_harigga.shtml

Or for an easier way just click on the following links


http://www.geocities.com/harigga_ch/html/index1.htm (click on the links to the left for the information you'd like to know)

http://www.geocities.com/harigga_ch/html/entryframe.htm (this is kajira/kajirus <girl/boy> slave info)


Other than that..... any information that you'd like to know please feel free to contact stormi.
If stormi can not help you, she will be happy to find someone who can.

January, also please know.... that in Master's camp... even stormi makes mistakes and it's OK...
Master is very patient in teaching and explaining Gorean ways.

Hope to see you there sometime.


On her knees,
stormi
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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/26/2004 5:38:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		seems many viewpoints are here so my two cents are this:

anyone who wishes to learn about the gorean protocols should be able too without having to pretend to be kajira
anyone pretending to be kajira in a gor room or chat would be found out rather swiftly not being able to act when addressed
the only silks mentioned that had distinctive meaning were white for virgin,and red for non virgin,yellow ,green,scarlet,purple,etc were all given to a girl to wear at her masters whim
the books have been made into many things they are and are not at the same time-yes they are based on ancient cultures from the pacific rim and middle eastern kingdoms
-yes they have been adopted as a guide persay and used for one aspect of the BD/SM lifestyle
-yes it is all fiction though based upon ancient fact
-no there is no wrong way to interpret what you read
-yes inside the city or homestones walls he/she who makes the rules makes them and they stand
-yes i utilize certain of the gorean protocols when training and keeping kajira but not all and that is my preference and interpretation

good eve all

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/26/2004 6:00:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Falonthas

-yes it is all fiction though based upon ancient fact


Which ancient fact are these?

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/26/2004 8:28:18 PM   
Falonthas


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ancient cultures
summerian,assyrian,persian,minoan all utilized the citystates and caste systems

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/26/2004 8:41:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was hoping for something with a little more substance. No one would argue with the fact that city-states and caste systems of society existed in our history.

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/27/2004 7:32:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings,

Ok, this is a little more than a bit off track but i figured this is turning out to the thread that never ends (yes, it goes on and on my friend). So, anyone who's tired of seeing this thread may move it at their whim.

Anywho, when i first began my journey of learning about BDSM and all it's related cousins i spent some time exploring online Gor. One of the concepts that i had seen then but have not subsequently seen is that of the panther. Did the books have panther girls in them or is this something that evolved online? If so, what are the meanings given to them in the books?

Well wishes

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/27/2004 8:23:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hunters of Gor.. introduce the panther girl to the world of Gor... I believe but I am far from an expert in the minute details of Gor.

The Panthers where women who unable to accept the roles placed on them as members of *mainstream* Gorean society.. sought an existence outside it.. they lived in the forests and hunted uhmm panthers.. they decried their feminity..used men strictly for procreation.. and sold captured males into slavery.. They equate to the Amazons in our own mythos. If that helps at all.

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