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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/12/2004 2:31:43 PM   
darkinshadows


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I stuck my foot inthat one didn't I. Yes I said I was sticking to it, I didn't say it was writen in stone. Show me a better way and I will try it.


Nothing is written in stone. Angels simple question was 'Is it not her Masters place to allow her (if He wishes) to express His Will?'... I have known Goreans for many years, and It was the first time I had seen a (self named)Gorean react to a girl in such a way about her silks when He did not know her nor her Master.


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entitles her? Did she not say she was a slave? Are slaves now entitled to rights? she entitled to her Master's care and nothing more, it is He that makes her world go round.


I cannot respond to what the girl said... I am neither her, nor her Master...and I would not disrespect either of them by attempting to reply.

My question was specifically a question of Gorean Master Conduct. Nothing more, nothing less. I did not add other quotes, for they were not my concern... I was asking a question to learn, not for any other reason.
I had been taught that a Gorean Man cares not for what others think... so my questions were out of my confusion from Your Words GreyDragon. It is not my place to assume, but it is within me to learn.


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Ok this were we all (or at least I) become confused just what entitlments do slaves have. Where are the dividing lines of those entitlments online and off? There must be some. Can a slave have it both ways?


A Mastered slave has the entitlements her/his Master/Mistress affords their slave. Online/Offline... is irrelevant the only thing that matters for a slave, is their Masters/Mistress' Will. This is Angels personal opinion in response to Your question.

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/12/2004 2:45:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Leonidas

Aw, now see, that was about as good natured as I get, and I still hurt your feelings. I didn't take what you said as a jab in the least. Not at all, and I don't want you to get the wrong impression. The Goreans that I have known laugh a lot more than they fight, and can be damn fun to be around. Being a Buddhist, I'd probably have to try to coax you out of that nihilism, but that's a whole other topic.


nah, no hurt feelings here at all. i guess as a bit of a country tomboy type girl, i get a bit defensive when seen as prissy. (my gawd, do i hate prissy, oh! i broke a fingernail girls!) And believe me, the nihilism isn't a topic you want to start - hell i don't even like looking at that side - it's not a pretty sight!

thankies and well wishes

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/12/2004 2:55:43 PM   
Leonidas


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Status: offline 		Maybe I can help out a little here.

Online takes all comers, and it's a different thing entirely. Offline, its a different story. As you may have noticed, I don't address anyone on this board as you might expect that I would address a Gorean slave. I don't require that anyone comport themselves as a slave around me, and show me any kind of deference. The fact is that I don't really know anybody here. I know what people say they are, and that's about it. I take it at face value, until they show me otherwise.

Among Goreans, slaves are expected to comport themselves as slaves, and defer to free men and women. Who is a free man or woman? In the real world, certainly not anyone who has the balls (or ovaries) to say that they are. As far as a slave is concerned, a free man or woman is any man or woman that her master has accepted as such; someone that her master considers a peer. I am not a member of stormi's master's group. I don't know him from Adam, and he certainly has not accepted me as his peer. Stormi could call herself a Gorean girl from here to next sunday, in whatever color silk she chose to wear, mention, or put in her tag line. I absolutely, positively would not expect her to kneel and address me as Master. As far as she is concerned, and until her master says different, I'm not a Gorean man. I'm just another man.

That does not mean that stormi shouldn't handle herself with the grace that befits someone who claims to be what she claims to be, as I have said here.

In the real world, this is how it goes. Even in a culture like ours where there is a group dynamic, you still have to be accepted as a member of the group to be part of that dynamic. It has to be this way because we live in a world where people who understand our ways and hold our values are a microscopic minority, and so respect given has to be earned. If I don't like the attitude of an uncollared girl that I haven't accepted as a gorean girl who should know better, I'll just ignore her. Doesn't matter what she calls herself. If I don't like the attitude of a collared girl whose master hasn't accepted me as a peer, I will more or less do likewise. About the most that I will do is suggest that her conduct might be unbecomming, but I certainly won't expect obedience, or even deference.

Hope this helps.

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/12/2004 3:03:19 PM   
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This does not mean both online and
in real life that there are not many
male Gorean slaves. There is actually
only one female slave to Hundreds of
Free Woman too but I am sure Leon
probabaly does not have his GOR
proportioned to what the books say
towards this as well nor probably has
a Free Woman as a Mate alone with
His slave or slaves.
Free Male Goreans if They had Their way
would not have any male slaves about
as it is demeaning to most in sum kind
of personal way and takes away from
Thier Own manhoods Dominance

I think Mine That not precisely true. Its not that I want a male slave around I do! I want others males to do the work, here in real life they are not call real slaves but wage slaves and yes when they are done We want them out of sight for the most part while we enjoy the fruits of their labors. Female slaves on the other hand are eye candy, as a Male I like like eye candy and as the Dominant one I can have it with or without your aproval, I'm just happy that You do for it makes for less stress within the House, and by letting you run the day to day affairsof the house I can be sure its done right, and if you Mine have a Piece of eye candy you like standing around to play with, well I will bare it for your sake, Just as you do for mine I will even enjoy watching play with it, far better him than me you think to choose to torture. But I would be just as happy to see one rise up cast off the chains of being a wage slave and create His own business where then he can reap the same rewards

As for slaves here and Gor and real life look around, all of us look around and look at all the people not in this or any other lifestyle, just living their day to day lives. Can you call all those men and women slaves? I think of them as the Free people that just go about their life. Not as a part of mine inner life but there all the same. That’s not to say some do not become slaves in one form or another, and in just and in just as many ways here as within the books, give that some though. It can be scary. Think about the girl that runs away from home thinking to a better way of life only to fall into pimp’s hands. It happens real life.
What I want is my real life to reflect on my online life, and my online life to be a refection of my real life. And hopefully not look like a complete bore while doing it.

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/12/2004 3:10:44 PM   
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Leonidas

Again, angel is in Your debt as You have kindly responded to her question. She thanks You gratefully for Your patience and time.

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/12/2004 3:41:54 PM   
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Master Bear and stormi live this lifestyle 24/7 in the same house.

While Master owns a channel in HTML Magnachat, the life and protocol
that is used is used DAILY.

Master's protocol and wishes are what stormi follows. Does stormi make
mistakes? Dang straight. Coming from a leather background to be a Gorean
Master's slave is h a r d!!!

However anyone that thinks for one moment that stormi will
allow them the opportunity to belittle or bad mouth stormi's Master is full
of more stuff than a 1000 cattle can produce!

You are one of the few that this girl has seen repeatedly show acceptance
to what most want to argue about. This girl thinks you are a class act. Thank
you for that.


Be Well and Happy,
stormi
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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/12/2004 4:35:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think spirit in a GOrean slave is required... I think it is a prized attribute.. the ability to think, be self aware and capable. I have yet to find the perfect slave leather, D/s, Gor.. who makes no mistakes.. Who would want that.. never placing a step wrong, never uttering a moments frustration the placid mirror of Masterly reflection.. it gets boring to look at oneself after while in that calm pool of water. I like the Asian asthethic in which perfection is mared.. the flaw holds the uniqueness of a work of art. A well trained slave is like that a work of art in progress... the meddling of the will and the way I supose .. the slaves will to serve and the Masters way of service. stormi ..God love her.. like all people is a work in progress .. I know because I watch it on a daily basis that desire to serve, to achieve .. each day is an individual day..some days the desire overides the ability to achieve.. other days are seamless hours of perfection. I think I can honestly say there is never a time Bear is not proud of her.... Proud of her achievements in the leather community, proud that she desires perfection, proud of her firey temper, proud of her strength and yes even proud of her weakenesses. It is I suppose difficult to express from a Dominant to a submissive the depth of respect we have for their ability to put aside personal issues and kneel .. I suppose it translates in to that strong touch and the simple words... Good girl. I am proud that stormi cares enough to stand up for herself and for him .. I think no matter what she represents her ko'lar well even in the moments were she thinks she fails I am still proud of her depth of committment to him and to her M/s relationship.

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/12/2004 4:45:33 PM   
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nah, no hurt feelings here at all. i guess as a bit of a country tomboy type girl, i get a bit defensive when seen as prissy. (my gawd, do i hate prissy, oh! i broke a fingernail girls!) And believe me, the nihilism isn't a topic you want to start - hell i don't even like looking at that side - it's not a pretty sight!


"A nihilist? Fuck me. Say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism,
at least its an ethos." John Goodman, The Big Lebowski.

Not sure what that has to do with anything, but there you go.

Sinergy

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/12/2004 4:49:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Leonidas

As a submissive man, it's probably not something that you'll want to pursue. Submissive men among lifestyle Goreans are rare. Unlike the broader D/s community, the Gorean way is a group dynamic, not an individual one. You would be treated as a slave by all the free men and women in the accepted group. As a kajirus (male slave) about the best that you could expect from Gorean free men would be regular humilliation, general distain, and, if you were an extremely good slave to your mistress, maybe, just maybe, grudging acknowledgement of your value. Needless to say, being in that position isn't something that appeals to most submissive men.

That’s what I was looking for , the Gorean way is a group dynamic, not an individual one Group dynamics! (Thank you for speaking up Leonidas I do hope your owner's Ok to speak, have a cooke) and the slave was acting as an individual of being the slave of just one Master and not as a slave within a community where she is looked on as a slave by all and needs to respond like a slave to all, with the same difference to all Free. If a girl taken from one Gorean community to another stop being a slave. is she less a slave, more of one? should she resond to her captors as if as if its ok not to be a slave, I'm not with my Master right now so I'm not a slave right now.

Yes to her Master she even more so to a even greater degree. Had her master said the same things I said do you think she would have opened her month to resist. No her response would be to say yes Master and carry on, she would not be getting mad or thinking she it had been entitled to say a thing.

Here is an allegory I hope that works I know that this mans hunting dog is just great at flushing out game, so I take her and go hunting with it. the dog does not flush out game , or does so very poorly. I return the dog. And tell him it didn’t do a very good job of flushing game out. Now I Know hes going to be Mad that I took the dog without asking, but does it make him happy to find out the dog didn’t hunt as trained to do. Lets say I had asked and took the dog out hunting and it did better but not as well as if he had trained her to or if he had been there , I take the dog back again and tell him about it now how is he feeling. How is a dog to behave, does it pick and choose who it serves and how well, or does it do its best with every hunter it flush game for, and should a slave?
Just a question one I think needs to be talked about.

One last thing stormiKnightBEAR I do not want you to feel I'm have anything personal against you that I'm bashing you for no reason at all. I rather not have felt the need to have said anything at all. Far from it, these are questions I would have asked had any slave said she was a white silk. as I asked you. I'm happy you find pride in being your Master's white silked slave, and I would not have batted an eye had you said you were the proud naked slave of my Master. or I'm proudt o be a naked slave at my Masters feetor any orther color He might enjoy. I just understood that white had a meaning of being a virgin long befor it ment being reseved for Exclusive use. Not because you did anything wrong, (well until you felt you had a right to take exception to a frees words without making sure your Master approval was noted by others here.) because you were simply doing as you were told and as you had learned.

I’m using you to learn more. Now take that however you want but your providing me a service by doing so. learning more, why I have learned more in the last few days than I have in a year in a chat room. and I have you to thank for it. Look at the number of replies about this. and tell me you don't find that just a little bit thrilling to know your the cause of all this Excitement. I wanted to explore You have helped me do so. Why I bet you never thought that wearing white would bring about this kind of reaction Why you have men fighting over you and about you and you don't even have to worry about who wins. Because in the end we will all be winners

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/12/2004 4:59:59 PM   
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Please allow stormi to shed some light on the situation about control/protocol.

In Gorean settings (Munches, Master's camp, other chat channels/rooms), stormi
is required to address Dominants as Master and Mistress. That is the Gorean way.
This in most cases is not up for debate with any kajira's or kajirus. It is simply the
way things are done.

In Leather settings, respect is shown to the "Old Guard" or elders always, as well
as to anyone who has earned the submissive/slaves respect or that of the Master/
Dominate of the submissive/slave.

As a leather submissive, this girl was known as another name. The girl was known
for her protocol and for the protocol of any Dominant she was with. Honor, Respect,
Pride.... those were the heart of the Leather that flowed thru her veins......and still is.

When this girl was taken surprisingly by a Gorean Master, alot of the Leather family
while blessing the union, knowing this girl had given it great thought, knowing that this
girl was extremely good at being level headed, did not understand the Gorean ways.
Over the last 18+ months while attending events, meetings and munches, they have
heard of Master's Gorean life beliefs and He has heard of the Leather life beliefs. Both
actually in most cases inner twine with each other on alot of points especially in the
Old Guard ways.

Is this because Master was career Army? Was it because He was exposed to it as
He was Gorean at an early age and again later in life? Who knows.

For this girl, Gorean has been challeneging. The word "Master" was used only with
very very few.... like less than 5 that represented all that stormi believed that Leather,
Honor, Respect, Pride, Community, was about. stormi felt HONORED to be allowed to call
those men Master and still feels that way. The only other to be called Master by this girl
is Master Bear. The word Mistress was never used by this girl except to introduce someone
to another.

stormi will readily admit, in Gorean settings be it chat or munches, alot of the time she catches
it or Master will nudge her to remind stormi that it is Master and Mistress. If stormi slips and
uses Sir/Ma'am, she will quickly apologize and explain her leather roots. Most are understanding
and will ask the difference if they do not know. Now when there is a slip... and trust me stormi works
hard at not making them, they will smile and say you slipped!!...stormi blushes and is most of the time
told not to worry. They understand 7 yrs of habit is hard to break.

stormi is a strong slave, but she is also a very willing slave, there is nothing worse than
to think she might have disappointed her Master. See for stormi, failing Master is not an
option, He says that stormi is harder on herself than He ever could be. stormi might not
be perfect or the best but she dayum sure strives to and dreams of being a good slave for
Master because He's important to her.

stormi's temper is quick to rise when "xxxxxxxxx" are judgemental, know it all, want to belittle
what they do not completely understand. That would be one of the things that stormi needs to work on.
LOL... but doesn't promise perfection in doing so.

Angel, thank you for your questions and thoughts, for making this girl step back and realize
that fools who claim knowledge but sling bull are nothing but the steers producing the stink.

stormi identifies as white silk because it is Master's way of saying hands off. Most Goreans will
acknowledge that without all the virgin crap. Most realize that the white silks in some instances
were not for "trade or use" of others.

Hope this helps in your understanding some. BTW, if you read the book, have a phone and Gorean
on speed dial to explain somethings. stormi was always wanting to know exactly what things were
(certain critters) and the such. Fortunately, Master was eager for stormi to learn.

Be Safe,
stormi
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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/12/2004 5:46:33 PM   
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I think spirit in a GOrean slave is required... I think it is a prized attribute.. the ability to think, be self aware and capable.


I do too. In fact, I think that a meek girl would never make it, nor would one who didn't have a strong self image. A strong self-image, however, should not be confused with egotism in a slave, in my opinion. I am sure that your husband is a fine man. He has his ways, and I have mine.,

Since we're just talking about slave qualities and training in general here I can tell you that a slave of mine wouldn't want me to catch her within 100 miles of a public shouting match trying to defend my actions to anyone, much less people I don't know and whose opinions of me mean about squat. "My master requires this tag line in any public post that I make" had better be just about the beginning, middle, and end of it for a girl in my collar. Any girl that I have owned will immediately recognize in what I'm saying here my dim view of a slave who thinks she needs to have the last word at the expense of her grace and dignity.

The point that I would make to the slave, in a manner that makes an impression, is that after "My master requires this of me" it stopped being about me, and started being about her. Any Gorean slave that I know of knows the answer to this question: "What is the duty of a slave?" "Absolute obedience and equisite beauty" is the answer. Obedience certainly isn't required on this board, the second part doesn't go away in the least, however, and is in no way served by a slave in a public shouting match from my point of view.

Nothing that I have said here should be construed as a critique of stormi or her master. Their ways happen to be different from mine. What I am talking about here are my requirements, and apply only to me and mine.

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/12/2004 5:51:34 PM   
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Thank You for the insight..by the way, a slave always has the last word...Yes Master.

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/12/2004 5:53:11 PM   
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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/12/2004 9:04:23 PM   
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regarding My paucity of posts... I have twelve to sixteen hour work days six days a week for the next four months... so will address everything to date on this thread... I wish all to understand I'm not ignoring your responses, it will simply take time to get back to this board...

GreyDragon: 'As I said above real life slaves you know what they can and can not do, and there are no tags to wear real life. online tags for girls? is that not like giving then bits of jewelry to wear ?' online tags, yup, you're right... RT kajirae... yup, you're right... cept for the lack of 'tags'... that's what a ko lar is, I do believe... though it means different things to different folks, the intelligent thing to ask of a girl wearing one is what it means to her and her Other...

GreyDragon: 'Its your Masters place to say how things work in His camp not his slave. don't even start that line, it won't fly. and if your Master can not be bothered to do it then its not that important to him hence you have nothing to say about it ' I did... and gave her permission to post here how things work in My Camp... might pay to ask before you jump to conclusions... don't presume to decide what is and is not important to Me... less'n you REALLY want to know why I don't post here often... it's also not wise to set limits on Another's property... so we'll pretend you didn't mean that...

GreyDragon: 'The point I was trying to make that the term as your Master has used it was not its original intent, see I read, I’ve read most all the books and so when I see just about all the role-play rooms say they role-play as close to the books as they can, well its just little things like that makes me question what other details may have been change that I would not understand.' you read.. that's a good thing... try My room... I clearly state all over the page for that room that it's how -I- see Gor... really that simple.... as for simple fixes... ***grin***... come run one of those rooms for five years... and welcome to it...

Angel: no real quotes... a simple greetings and thank you suffices I believe...

Leonidas: 'Not only similar, GreyDragon, exactly the same. Don't be too concerned when someone like me reads something that you wrote and gives you shit about it. Do what you are doing right now; read it for what it's worth, push back when you think you're justified, and learn from the exchange. We're a rough bunch. Way too rough for polite company usually. Respect among us is hard won sometimes, but worth having once you get it. ' Well said.

Leonidas: 'Yelling at a man in public isn't going to change his point of view much, except maybe the way that he views you. I am sure that doing it makes you feel good, and its obvious that you have little respect for what he is, or what you think he is. You might want to consider having a little more respect for what you are, however. ' Yelling... you're right... respect for what she is... ***grin***... she's got that down just fine... her fuss in this thread is a carryover from another... we're dealing with it...

knees2you: 'I have never done Gorean, but have heared so much about it~' ***grin***... give it a go some time... love it or hate, there's no inbetween...

Destinysskeins: 'As a person with a slight interest in Gor, may i please point out on of the aspects that have acted as a stumbling block to any further interest on my part. i dislike greatly the controversy surrounding this.' see above... we're a feisty bunch... and Gor may not be for you, it's certainly not for everyone...

Destinysskeins: 'When posting such messages please do remember that in many ways Y/you are representing the culture that Y/you have chosen to follow. Do W/we all not feel pride for O/our home and way of life? ' I never forget that... and I hope we all feel the same about whatever path we're on...

GreyDragon:'Ok this were we all (or at least I) become confused just what entitlments do slaves have. Where are the dividing lines of those entitlments online and off? There must be some. Can a slave have it both ways? ' none at all... save those I choose to give her...

GreyDragon:'Yes we want passion in our lives and we want those that have feelings to stand up and embrace them and tell us to go to hell if they don't agree, but in doing so we don't meekly back down and not demand they prove themselves and their arguments. ' I take exception to much you have said... but not this... We are Who We are... and that includes stubborn tempers and all...

Angel: 'I had been taught that a Gorean Man cares not for what others think..... A Mastered slave has the entitlements her/his Master/Mistress affords their slave. Online/Offline... is irrelevant the only thing that matters for a slave, is their Masters/Mistress' Will.' ezzackly

SylverDawn: ***grin***

Leonidas: 'Obedience certainly isn't required on this board, the second part doesn't go away in the least, however, and is in no way served by a slave in a public shouting match from my point of view. ' I would point out that stormi is no longer responding to either you or GreyDragon...

be well,

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/12/2004 10:10:44 PM   
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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/13/2004 6:27:01 AM   
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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/13/2004 8:40:20 AM   
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GreyDragon: (Thank you for speaking up Leonidas I do hope your owner's Ok to speak, have a cooke )


You know, I missed this. Interesting, in a cowardly sort of way. I'm generally willing to chalk up someone expecting deference from submissives on a message board to simple inexperience. Treating someone as if they are a slave who doesn't claim to be is, well, about what I would expect from a 14 year old who is being naughty on daddy's computer before he gets home. Some people's children, I guess.

The other thing that I notice is that the sentence structure here (or lack of it) is awfully damn familliar. Hmmmm....

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/13/2004 9:10:16 AM   
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Dearest stormi
thank you for the kindness you have shown Angel, and for all the time You have taken to speak about the things that have been discussed. I am extremely grateful, for you have helped me learn more and I am finding the discussions fascinating.

blessings and joy on your path


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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/13/2004 9:13:32 AM   
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Temji, Master of stormi.

Blessings to You, forgive me if I have not addressed You correctly.
Thank You for Your kind words... Angel is learning so much.

Strength & Blessings Upon Your journey to You and Yours

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RE: Gorean slave silks - 8/13/2004 10:30:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		To all that have posted. I must say I have enjoyed the various comments and opinions here.

The one thing I enjoy most about this "lifestyle" is its wide diversity. Whether it be Gor, Leather or Old Guard. And the fact that it all comes down to respect. The respect of someone elses views and ways. Whether "we" agree with them or not. The sad thing is the respect is lost when someone feels the need to belittle anothers ways or views. Don't get me wrong, I'm not pointing any fingers here. Just stating my opinion. And as you already know, we all have them.

I have known many subs, slaves and kahjira(?) online and off. And one of the many things we all have in common is the pride in which we serve our Masters. Ask any "girl" (or guy) about their Master and you will see it for yourself.

I have read and researched Gorean simply for my own knowledge. Although I found it interesting and in some instances intriguing it is not a way of life for me. (kahjira I am not) But can understand if it is for someone else.

I seem to remember, not too long ago, it was the Old Guard that was being debated upon. lol


Happy trails, be well and take care.




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