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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/25/2009 1:05:45 PM

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Because you are forming your opinions based on a small group of Americans you have contact with.

True, though I didn't say all Americans. You're right, however; I'm hardly the authority on all things United States.

Anyway, England and guns.....has the moment passed?

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/25/2009 1:05:50 PM

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As the VP of a construction company I can attest that yes you can break a double glazed window with a brick. It is hard, but can be done. But where I am, Maine, there are a lot of old homes here that are easy as hell to break into. There is also a horrible economy, a huge drug problem, and desperation. Bad mix.

I really don't think it is paranoia, sadly I think it is reality. When I go to bed at night, I don't go to bed afraid, but I do lock the doors, I have a set of motion detector lights and I make sure I am "prepared."

I think a big difference between the USA and the UK is the distance in buildings. Now I have never been to the states, but here, we practically live on top of each other. The image you get here of the states (house wise - not speaking flats and appartments and trailers) is larger front gardens and alleys in between. If someone tried to break into my house, it would be both seen and heard, unless you lived in the country in a larger property and then, people tend to have more security like alarms etc. I know you can break a double glazing unit but its harder work than an older single glazed unit, and a hell of a lot noisier. And the UK are a nosey lot. One slight sound that isn't right and they are sneaking a peek.

I don't know if break ins are more the norm in the states than here or whether the distance between properties matters, but there is definately something different between the two.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/25/2009 1:08:44 PM

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I don't know if break ins are more the norm in the states than here or whether the distance between properties matters, but there is definately something different between the two.

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In actual fact, England has a higher rate of burglary and robbery than the United States, but a much lower murder rate. Perhaps there's a correlation in there somewhere.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/25/2009 1:21:26 PM

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You noticed that too?

Yep funny eh?

Perhaps the Brits here should start insisting that Americans do things differently. I think you should be able to buy alcohol in supermarkets. Why don't you take a vote on it. Then you can be like us.

Um, you can buy alcohol in supermarkets, have been for years. As far as these tedious fucking gun debates, who cares. Although Susie I will say you mentioned in the last gun thread why you had never heard a valid or an actual reason for someone to have to have one, and I relayed to you a very personal story of when my home was entered by drunken men in the middle of the night thinking I was gone on a trip, when in fact only my ex had gone and I was home alone. I was sleeping on the couch, and had a loaded *of course handgun right on the endtable. That I do believe may have saved my life. Whatever it may or may not have done, you ignored it. Rhi also posted a personal story which you did not comment on either. So I did get the feeling that even when you are given what you asked for, you still will not listen.

I am a liberal, I despise the NRA, I think if you want a gun go get one, if you don't, don't. My god, this gets old.

My understanding, which was backed up earlier, is that you cannot buy Vodka or Gin or other spirits in supermarkets there. Or maybe you can in the states that I have not visited.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/25/2009 1:21:46 PM

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I don't know if break ins are more the norm in the states than here or whether the distance between properties matters, but there is definately something different between the two.

the.dark.

In actual fact, England has a higher rate of burglary and robbery than the United States, but a much lower murder rate. Perhaps there's a correlation in there somewhere.

In the US a lot of people have alarm systems. Often the thugs break in while we're off on vacation, because they know if they break in while us crazy fuckerz are home, it might be the last move they ever make.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/25/2009 1:23:06 PM

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I do think the UK is not prepared for guns and it would cause an increase in homicides. That don't have a culture of guns and there would be many more accidental shootings then murders.

How close together houses are is irrelevant and guns have nothing to do with crime. As stated there are countries with liberal gun laws without rampant crime.

The UK and the US are countries under duress…either from ethnic violence, economic pressures, or outside threats. Anytime there are these kinds of pressures civil unrest will manifest itself into crime.

Guns are just the most efficient affordable tool for crime or self-defense. In the UK I think it is personal assaults and knives. In the US it is guns…both kill.

The solution is not to open a closed gun society and make guns available…but neither is the solution taking guns away from an open gun society. The solution is to solve the underling causes. We should spend time arguing over how to do that rather than to have guns are not.

Butch

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/25/2009 1:28:05 PM

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heres a slew for you to view. Including battered women in prison for defending themselves.
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=battered+women+statistics&ie=UT-8&oe=UTF-8

Well thanks, putting 'battered women statistic' into Google had never occurred to me before in terms of finding information on battered women statistics.

If you know the number of women killed by their ex-partners, save time and tell me because I don't know and you asked it in a rhetorical way giving me the impression you knew.

. My mother had a high schoolfriend whos daughter I had known from childhood. She left her husband. he begged to see her and speak to her. She never came back to their house. they found her dead. Suffocated by a pillow. He then hung himself.

Thats a personal story. I posted one link for statistics. You obviously didnt see the one link so I posted more.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/25/2009 1:30:43 PM

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Well I would like to think I made better choices of partners to not end up abused. I have never been in an abusive relationship. But if I was in danger from an abuser who was stalking me and my life was in danger....abused women are in the most danger after they leave the abuser. I would get a gun and protect myself.

I'm sorry you had to put up with that, luscious. Spousal abuse is a heinous, disgusting thing: I am still not convinced guns are the solution though.

Sweetie, read it again. you're sweet but I was Never abused.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/25/2009 1:37:03 PM

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But Aynne, this thread was posted disingenuously, with the aim to prove that Britain somehows wants guns back, when the proof is that it doesn't; then some American posters argue that the Brits are somehow wrong for not wanting guns back (because they don't want school massacres). See? This also gets old...

The OP didnt post disingenuously. All he said was that the video was "interesting". He didnt even say if he believed it or not.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/25/2009 1:41:09 PM

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You noticed that too?

Yep funny eh?

Perhaps the Brits here should start insisting that Americans do things differently. I think you should be able to buy alcohol in supermarkets. Why don't you take a vote on it. Then you can be like us.

Um, you can buy alcohol in supermarkets, have been for years. As far as these tedious fucking gun debates, who cares. Although Susie I will say you mentioned in the last gun thread why you had never heard a valid or an actual reason for someone to have to have one, and I relayed to you a very personal story of when my home was entered by drunken men in the middle of the night thinking I was gone on a trip, when in fact only my ex had gone and I was home alone. I was sleeping on the couch, and had a loaded *of course handgun right on the endtable. That I do believe may have saved my life. Whatever it may or may not have done, you ignored it. Rhi also posted a personal story which you did not comment on either. So I did get the feeling that even when you are given what you asked for, you still will not listen.

I am a liberal, I despise the NRA, I think if you want a gun go get one, if you don't, don't. My god, this gets old.

My understanding, which was backed up earlier, is that you cannot buy Vodka or Gin or other spirits in supermarkets there. Or maybe you can in the states that I have not visited.

You can buy all spirits in the supermarket's. I havent seen a state that you couldnt. Except on sunday before 12p.m.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/25/2009 1:41:38 PM

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"Britain wants guns back." followed by a ridiculous video of the Countryside Alliance with a voice over by an NRA commentator is an exercise in disingenuity, luscious. It is trying to say something that isn't true, on the hope and on the assumption that people are either too stupid to care, or too ignorant to know better. The OP hasn't even come back to take responsibility for his thread. It says it all, as far as I'm concerned.

PS: actually in New Hampshire you can't buy liquor at all in supermarkets. You've got to go to state liquor stores for that.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/25/2009 1:54:33 PM

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In the US a lot of people have alarm systems. Often the thugs break in while we're off on vacation, because they know if they break in while us crazy fuckerz are home, it might be the last move they ever make.

Different world over there, I suppose. The worst you're going to get over here is an old dear clumping you over the head with a rolling pin. Most of us are far more obliging, however, and when someone breaks in through the kitchen windon, we load all of our goods onto his back - television, music system etc - and fit a rolex onto his wrist before opening the door for him and wishing him the best of luck on his travels.

Does this mean the rape play is off, Marie? wouldn't want to climb through your kitchen window and promptly have my brains splattered all over your walls.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/25/2009 2:00:06 PM

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My understanding, which was backed up earlier, is that you cannot buy Vodka or Gin or other spirits in supermarkets there. Or maybe you can in the states that I have not visited.

You can buy all spirits in the supermarket's. I havent seen a state that you couldnt. Except on sunday before 12p.m.

I've lived places in the US where alcohol is not sold at all, dry counties in Alabama, places where alcohol is only sold in state run stores, Kansas, places where alcohol is only sold in package stores, Georgia, places where beer and wine is sold in supermarkets and places where supermarkets sold everything.

After the repeal of prohibition each state is allowed to regulate alcohol sales differently and their is a lot of different ways of doing it.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/25/2009 2:11:50 PM

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You can buy all spirits in the supermarket's. I havent seen a state that you couldnt. Except on sunday before 12p.m.

I can name at least ten states off the top of my head, where you can't, without researching it. I believe that in the majority of states you cannot.

Ohio being one. One in which I can attest to as I live here.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/25/2009 2:39:09 PM

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My understanding, which was backed up earlier, is that you cannot buy Vodka or Gin or other spirits in supermarkets there. Or maybe you can in the states that I have not visited.

You can buy all spirits in the supermarket's. I havent seen a state that you couldnt. Except on sunday before 12p.m.

I've lived places in the US where alcohol is not sold at all, dry counties in Alabama, places where alcohol is only sold in state run stores, Kansas, places where alcohol is only sold in package stores, Georgia, places where beer and wine is sold in supermarkets and places where supermarkets sold everything.

After the repeal of prohibition each state is allowed to regulate alcohol sales differently and their is a lot of different ways of doing it.

I forgot about that. I know thats how it is in Utah. But I havent been to those states. The counties that are dry in my area are right next to one that isnt.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/25/2009 4:00:35 PM

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I don't know if break ins are more the norm in the states than here or whether the distance between properties matters, but there is definately something different between the two.

the.dark.

In actual fact, England has a higher rate of burglary and robbery than the United States, but a much lower murder rate. Perhaps there's a correlation in there somewhere.

In most areas of Detroit the houses are much closer together than in the suburbs. There is more crime there also, so I am not sure this matter.

What makes me wonder is 24 pages on whether or not Britian wants guns back. Personally I think that is up to the folks who live there.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/25/2009 4:08:43 PM

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Does this mean the rape play is off, Marie? wouldn't want to climb through your kitchen window and promptly have my brains splattered all over your walls.

Not to worry, sexy man, I don't have any firearms. The rape is still on.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/25/2009 4:27:34 PM

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Personally I think that is up to the folks who live there.

Thank you, bravo, well said.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/25/2009 4:38:44 PM

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Personally I think that is up to the folks who live there.

Thank you, bravo, well said.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/25/2009 4:42:50 PM

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What makes me wonder is if we think about your gun culture as potential tourists, what is worse, us thinking everyone is packing a weapon, or you lot when you come over here with all our reports of knifings and feral youngsters, without your gun, how safe do you feel ?

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