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ORIGINAL: MasterHypnotist

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

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The New York Times reports that the phones at The New York Post were flooded by angry callers and that many of the staff viewed the cartoon negatively.


"Chimp-Stimulus Cartoon Raises Racism Concerns"

By Sewell Chan and Jeremy W. Peters
Feb 18, 2009


"A newsroom employee at The Post, who spoke on condition of anonymity because employees were not permitted to comment on the matter, said its newsroom received many calls of complaints on Wednesday morning after the publication of the cartoon. “Every line was lit up for several hours,” the employee said. “The phones on the city desk have never rung like that before.” Many Post staff members were dismayed by the cartoon, the employee added.

The cartoon was on Page 12 of Wednesday’s edition, next to the paper’s Page Six gossip column. On Page 11, the reverse side, was a photograph of President Obama signing the stimulus bill into law in Denver."

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/18/chimp-stimulus-cartoon-raises-racism-concerns/

Vendaval,

No one said that people didn't get angry.

What the NYP is saying is that what they are getting angry about was not the content or intended to be the message of the political cartoon.

The NYP post also clearly stated, they are sorry that the political cartoon created such anger. As someone else posted, it's called "projection." It happens. It's wrong, but it happens.

That people are still publicly expressing anger for something that has had a sincere, pointed, public apology, says more about a portion of American society that just doesn't want to listen, than it does the cartoon, doesn't it?

MH

Wednesday's Page Six cartoon - caricaturing Monday's police shooting of a chimpanzee in Connecticut - has created considerable controversy.

It shows two police officers standing over the chimp's body: "They'll have to find someone else to write the next stimulus bill," one officer says.
It was meant to mock an ineptly written federal stimulus bill.
Period.
But it has been taken as something else - as a depiction of President Obama, as a thinly veiled expression of racism.
This most certainly was not its intent; to those who were offended by the image, we apologize.
However, there are some in the media and in public life who have had differences with The Post in the past - and they see the incident as an opportunity for payback.
To them, no apology is due.
Sometimes a cartoon is just a cartoon - even as the opportunists seek to make it something else."


lol,good greef.....

Wednesday's Page Six cartoon - caricaturing Monday's police shooting of a chimpanzee in Connecticut - has created considerable controversy.

It shows two police officers standing over the chimp's body: "They'll have to find someone else to write the next stimulus bill," one officer says.
It was meant to mock an ineptly written federal stimulus bill.
Period.
But it has been taken as something else - as a depiction of President Obama, as a thinly veiled expression of racism.
This most certainly was not its intent; to those who were offended by the image, we apologize.
However, there are some in the media and in public life who have had differences with The Post in the past - and they see the incident as an opportunity for payback.
To them, no apology is due.
Sometimes a cartoon is just a cartoon - even as the opportunists seek to make it something else."


lol,good greef.....

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

I had read they apologized but not the actual text of it.

Pretty amazing.But I`m not the issue here.Stupidity and it`s defenders, is.

One can`t say they`re sorry for something,but only to certain people.lol

It doesn`t fuck`n work that way.You`re either sorry or you`re not.jesshh ,who you think you`re fool`n?

The NYP is not sorry they ran the political cartoon. Although, by what you imply below, or if there are boycots or losing advertisers, they can be made to be sorry.
 
The NYP is sorry that people were offended by a current event that was juxtaposed onto a political event, (typical political cartoon fodder) because the current event is purposely mislabeled by outsiders with an agenda, as a racial slur.
 
In hindsight, could the political cartoon have been better written by printing "A Stimulus Bill Author," "Congress," "Pelosi," or "Reid" above the chimp? Would it have been better (for the purpose of the cartoon!) if two or more chimps had been killed? Of course! But, by the same token, the author did NOT print "Prez" or "Barack Obama" above the chimp, nor did he make the chimp into an Obama caricature.
 
So yes, it does fuck'n work that way. By their editorial standards, the NYP is not sorry they printed the political cartoon. They are sorry that some of the masses took offense, and have apologized to them. They clearly refuse to apologize to those who are using this event for their own continuing agenda. In return, I doubt that those who stir and antagonize the crowd will apologize for any financial or license misfortunes suffered by Murdoch enterprises.

I hear that News Corp`s PR people, fought to keep the non-apology apology from being released.

The in-fighting is an interesting note in this mess.

The headquarters of News Corp has been the subject of protests for two days now.

The issue of a certain waver that News Corp enjoys has been put on the table.The waver,allows Murdock to own the the NY Post and the Wall Street Journal and fox-noise all at once.

Him losing that waver would be a huge blow,both in money and in influence.

Something tells me the guy who approved the cartoon is going to get fired.It`s also the same guy who came out with the shitty apology I quoted.

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

MS, nobody here is saying that bigotry or racism is particular to any one political party.

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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

Hello? New here? My post wasn't in response to you. If you check the lower right corner of the post, you'll see the little "(in response to ...)".

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MasterShake69, I'm not sure how any of what you are saying applies to the point that I'm making.

Should liberals be held accountable just as often as conservatives for racist behavior? Absolutely. Is there a double standard?  Perhaps.  But what does any of this have to do with the topic?  I fail to see how this relates to the chimp cartoon.  You seem to view this as liberal vs. conservative.  In reality it's bigots vs. civilized society, or at least thoughtful vs. thick-headed.  

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But as you can see there are those in this thread who are on that far political left.  They seem to have no problems with bigotry or racism as long as it’s directed against republicans.   That makes me question if they were really offended by this cartoon or just using it for political purposes. 

Well, if it is that important to you just ask them their motives.

As you may notice the far left faces no punishment for there insults.

Punishment from whom or what?

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I have no doubt that mastershakey and pandaguy and the guy who hypnotizes subs cannot see the connection that the cartoon could possibly be rascist. 

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ORIGINAL: domiguy
It is hard for some to stay on track...A debate requires a certain amount of intelligence and savvy in order for one to be successful.  It is truly lacking out here.

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

If George Bush was black it would take on racial implications to portray him as a monkey. 

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I hope this helps clear this matter up. 

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

What many of you have difficulty in understanding is that George Bush happens to be white and a very dumb white person at that.  He  is dumber than a monkey.

I hope this helps clear this matter up. 

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His posts make a hell of a lot more sense than you crap does. At least he's shown a sense of humor. (Something utterly lacking in your, and most of the GOP echo chambers' posts on this site.)

I'm embarassed for you, Panda. You Limbaugh wannabes are losin' it...

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I mean really... you stooped to a "I know you are, but what am I," argument? THAT's your idea of striking at the heart of Domiguys argument? To regress to grade school level playground taunts? REALLY?

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

You all have a problem keeping on track. The post was about whether the cartoon in the Post was rascist? 

Ity appears that many think it is.  It appears that many white people think that it is not....Which is not surprising in that it is estimated that twenty percent of our population doubts that the holocaust ocurred.

I have no doubt that mastershakey and pandaguy and the guy who hypnotizes subs cannot see the connection that the cartoon could possibly be rascist.  Just a quick question, have you guys ever heard of the holocaust?

Anyways,  I believe that some posters would be better served watching star trek, or hypnotizing women so they might be persuaded to submit, or trading fictitious online stocks.

It is hard for some to stay on track...A debate requires a certain amount of intelligence and savvy in order for one to be successful.  It is truly lacking out here.

If one depicts Condi in a rascist manner it is wrong.  Is that so hard to grasp? 

If George Bush was black it would take on racial implications to portray him as a monkey.  What many of you have difficulty in understanding is that George Bush happens to be white and a very dumb white person at that.  He  is dumber than a monkey.

I hope this helps clear this matter up. 

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But as you can see there are those in this thread who are on that far political left.  They seem to have no problems with bigotry or racism as long as it’s directed against republicans.   That makes me question if they were really offended by this cartoon or just using it for political purposes. 

Well, if it is that important to you just ask them their motives.

As you may notice the far left faces no punishment for there insults.

Punishment from whom or what?

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ORIGINAL: MasterShake69
do you remember talking about this issue during the past 8 years?  Probably not despite the many examples out there.
certain people can say certain things because of there political point of view protects them from harm.  While someone with another political POV has to at a minimum apologize if not have there job threatened by manufactured outrage.

If lets say hypothetically VP Joe Biden were tomorrow to use the N word.   How much outrage on the left would there be?  Using a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the highest..  Now lets say it was a year ago and dick Cheney was VP and were to do that?  Just about every conservative here would say bidens outrage meter would be 1 if not 0 and Cheney would be a 10 if not a 11.   Its all because of past experience of the double standard.

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Contrary to your assumptions I discuss these matters frequently and have for years.  If any politician on either side of the aisle makes racists comments they are taken to task.  And the higher their visibility the more the media spotlight glares and the blogsphere boils over.
 
VP Biden is famous for being long-winded and sticking his foot in his mouth.  He caught a lot of flack for those comments.

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ORIGINAL: MasterShake69
do you remember talking about this issue during the past 8 years?  Probably not despite the many examples out there.
certain people can say certain things because of there political point of view protects them from harm.  While someone with another political POV has to at a minimum apologize if not have there job threatened by manufactured outrage.

If lets say hypothetically VP Joe Biden were tomorrow to use the N word.   How much outrage on the left would there be?  Using a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the highest..  Now lets say it was a year ago and dick Cheney was VP and were to do that?  Just about every conservative here would say bidens outrage meter would be 1 if not 0 and Cheney would be a 10 if not a 11.   Its all because of past experience of the double standard.

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So, for those of us playing at home, Owner59, let me get this straight. You crowed about the NYP making an apology, "rats running back to the sewer," I think was part of your ass clown banter, without reading the apology?

So, for those of us playing at home, NYP officially states that the content and intent of the political cartoon was NOT racist. Therefor the protests are mistaken and fueled by activist leaders with an agenda, (factually true), apparently has no merit? If an apology is demanded for something that did not occur, what can be done?

"It was meant to mock an ineptly written federal stimulus bill.
"Period.
"But it has been taken as something else - as a depiction of President Obama...
"This most certainly was not its intent; to those who were offended by the image, we apologize."

Facts just don't matter, do they.

Maybe, if we get a bunch of monkeys with a bunch of typewriters, they could write a false, hypocritical, sell-out apology that would please those who took offense, and compromise the author's intent.

While it cannot be proven, I have an opinion that I've already stated, and stand by. If Hillary Clinton or John McCain were president, and this Democrat Stimulus Bill were passed and signed, and that unfortunate event with the chimp and its owner would have subsequently occured... that political cartoon would still be created and run.

We'll never know,

MH