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Why SO much sissy/fem male subs??? - 1/19/2006 1:47:06 PM

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This is the first time I've asked any sort of question on CM forums, though I've had a profile on here for quite a while.
My question is in regards to why there is such an overwhelming amount of male submissives/slaves into gender-bending. It seems that about 98 out of 100 male subs that message Me end up wanting forced-femme, sissification, strapon play, forced-bi, wearing panties, or some other type of gender bending. Is there a reason for this?
I don't see the same trend in other orientations & sex. I don't see the majority of female subs wanting to play male or male Doms wanting to be feminized or female Dommes wanting to be masculated. I'm sure there are some out there, but it's not this overabundance, as with male subs wanting to be feminized.
As a female Dominant, I personally don't like it. I choose females when I want females. I choose males because I want males. It's even to the extent that I sometimes find it offensive, because instead of enhancing My beauty and womanhood, it almost forces Me into the masculine role.
Most of My female Dominant friends agree that it really does nothing for them and they pretty much engage in feminization with male subs just to appease the sub.
I'm very curious about why most male subs need feminized...
And if your Mistress hates feminization of males, how easily could you give it up?

RE: Why SO much sissy/fem male subs??? - 1/19/2006 4:16:51 PM

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98%? Hmm... then that would put me in the 2% category... which should put me in fairly high-demand. But that hasn't been the case.

Maybe you've just been communicating with a disproportionate number of sissies and sissy wannabes.

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RE: Why SO much sissy/fem male subs??? - 1/19/2006 4:48:02 PM

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and still they look at us as fags... i don't get it either.

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RE: Why SO much sissy/fem male subs??? - 1/19/2006 4:56:11 PM

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i wouldn't be against it if either of my Dommes wanted it, but it seems neither do so i don't care about it.

If people messaging You don't match what You want then just keep looking. The only other option is to try to change them maybe start a new trend... forced rednecksation? forced masculation?... i don't know...

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RE: Why SO much sissy/fem male subs??? - 1/19/2006 6:04:54 PM

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Well, I may be a sub (mostly ;) )

but definately NOT a sissy!

fergus

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RE: Why SO much sissy/fem male subs??? - 1/19/2006 6:36:36 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Proprietrix

This is the first time I've asked any sort of question on CM forums, though I've had a profile on here for quite a while.
My question is in regards to why there is such an overwhelming amount of male submissives/slaves into gender-bending. It seems that about 98 out of 100 male subs that message Me end up wanting forced-femme, sissification, strapon play, forced-bi, wearing panties, or some other type of gender bending. Is there a reason for this?

Because they can't/won't/don't read your profile carefully. They just see the words in your profile, though they are listed as things you're not into, and respond. Delete them, block them, and drive on.

I don't see the same trend in other orientations & sex. I don't see the majority of female subs wanting to play male or male Doms wanting to be feminized or female Dommes wanting to be masculated. I'm sure there are some out there, but it's not this overabundance, as with male subs wanting to be feminized.
As a female Dominant, I personally don't like it. I choose females when I want females. I choose males because I want males. It's even to the extent that I sometimes find it offensive, because instead of enhancing My beauty and womanhood, it almost forces Me into the masculine role.

Since you have stated that you don't play in any of those areas, then how are you being forced into anything? Is it just the ones who have trouble reading your profile that you find offensive...or do you feel crossdressers in general are messing with your life?

Most of My female Dominant friends agree that it really does nothing for them and they pretty much engage in feminization with male subs just to appease the sub.
I'm very curious about why most male subs need feminized...
And if your Mistress hates feminization of males, how easily could you give it up?

I don't need to be feminized to submit, and I doubt that "most" male subs do either...though that is based purely on anecdotal evidence. However, I would never get involved with someone who hated me, or at least a part of who I am.

Tasha

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RE: Why SO much sissy/fem male subs??? - 1/19/2006 6:44:57 PM

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1st--------i am sorry You are SO put off. but i guess....there MAY be something YOU do that some of us may not like...

And if your Mistress hates feminization of males, how easily could you give it up?

how easily?
as easy as changing pants.
my present Ms wanted nothing to do with it, so it was not brought up.
i stayed very male..as i am right now...male clothes entirely EXCEPT my panties...which i aint giving up for anyone..i have had them for over 20 yrs,...

why did She change You MIGHT ask next?
She got to reading another one of those damned Domme books again...and it mentioned MOST males have a "trigger" to their submission...
i.e.

some like spankings
some like sexual things
some have a clothes fetish
some just have a control fetish...
on and on...page to page.

SOOOOOOOO

since She knows about what i did/did not do...with my 1st domme..........She got to thinking....
and decided She would re-incorporate...the femme side of me...to help me...stay...more submissive and less macho male..since i AM macho alpha male at my core.....

if i can help You any other way..
please ask

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RE: Why SO much sissy/fem male subs??? - 1/19/2006 7:22:26 PM

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Well, though I am a crossdresser my Mistress doesn´t incorporate that into our sessions. Crossdressing is not something I do for humiliation or sissyplay, or even sex, it´s a part of me as a person.
A girl dressing in guy clothes is not something society looks upon and labels as something weird, it´s a bit silly maybe but nothing more... A guy on the other hand who dresses up as a girl is something different.
I think it´s more related to societys values than difference between sexes, there´s plenty of tomboy girls out there but we don´t consider them as ridiculous. But if the we look at a guy in a dress it´s considered morbid.

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RE: Why SO much sissy/fem male subs??? - 1/20/2006 6:45:00 AM

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Just to point out, a huge majority of female submissives love being told to wear sexy/feminine things as well that will over exagerrate their femininity.

As a culture we still associate female with submissive, subservient, weaker. We associate female as being prettier, softer, sweeter, to be used to entertain. So it makes sense that being in the submissive position in a relationship would highlight those parts of ourselves.

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RE: Why SO much sissy/fem male subs??? - 1/20/2006 10:38:28 AM

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Fascinating question. In our own little circle of FemDomme couples, I seem to be the only one who has no interest whatsoever in CD. Just don't get it. Never have. Not my kink. But, there again, football and most pro sports bore the shit out of me.

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RE: Why SO much sissy/fem male subs??? - 1/20/2006 1:28:29 PM

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it seems to me that it is just another form of control over the male by the superior Female.

Especially if one is "not into it" it serves to "put one in one's place" so to speak. To be a very vivid reminder of the sub/slaves easy inability to deny Her. That she can dress him in a way that pleases Her, even if it is somewhat displeasing to him. Even if his distress at it all is what She finds pleasing.

i very much liked what LuckyAlbatross had to say (no surprise for me there, so far I have ALWAYS liked what She has had to say).

As for myself, i have not done any cross dressing since experimentation as a young one. i was recently asked by my Goddess (i am only under consideration at this point) to list my fantasies. This one made the list. i advised that i only thought about it being forced upon me, or always with me being reluctant (and do realize that may just be a way for me to avoid the "blame" of wanting it).

Until recently, i saw this as my being belittled in some way, a man being made to wear a Woman’s clothing. Since my brief involvement with my potential Goddess however, my thinking is already beginning to change. As i am focused on and more openly admitting of the Female superiority over me, i am beginning to view Her things as "power wear." As things that represent all that is "better" in this world, things that i somehow wished i qualified to wear too?

As far as wearing them or not, i wish to do whatever my Goddess advises me to do. if asked by Her for a preference, i suppose today it would be that i do not care to be feminized. i do however, care to be entirely owned by Her, and all that implies.

That said, if i had to chose between wearing stockings all weekend, or watching pro sports, i'd take the stockings every time

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RE: Why SO much sissy/fem male subs??? - 1/20/2006 5:21:57 PM

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IMO, most women don't know how to incorporate forced femme into their dominance. To do so does not mean total feminization, sissification, or always having to look at your boy in a dress.

What forced femme can do for you is this: 1) imasculate your man temporarily; 2) put him into sensual clothing bondage; 3) draw him closer to you as you tear down some masculine walls; 4) give him and you another avenue or control and training over his submission.

Akasha has real handle on this stuff and she said something once that really resonated with me. She said, "who doesn't get excited by women's clothing?" She went on to say that a man totally opposed to CDing would still get excited by the feel of women's panites or other such item. I think she's right.

So, my advice is this, which ain't really answering your question: don't be put off by it. Most men want to be men, especially with their Mistress. But, when you mix it up a little bit, unexpected connections are made.

My Mistress has pointed out that the Male wardrobe, as a rule, holds no facination for women because women already dress like men every day --- so there is no allure there. The same, however, can't be said of the female wardrobe ----- that's taboo for men (in society.) So, this might be the reason men are attracting to trying it out. But like I said, it doesn't have to be a full blown thing. You can still have your boy and eat the cake to by bluring the lines every now and then.

P.S. This post does not include a commentary on men who are compulsive cross dressers or TS oriented. But those fellas are far from anyting close to 98% of all submissive men.

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RE: Why SO much sissy/fem male subs??? - 1/21/2006 3:51:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

IMO, most women don't know how to incorporate forced femme into their dominance. To do so does not mean total feminization, sissification, or always having to look at your boy in a dress.

I believe a more correct statement, based on the many threads on this topic, as well as the replies in those threads, that "most" women just do not "enjoy" forced femme. It's not ignorance to the dynamic or enjoyment that sissies/CDs get out of it. Of course those men (sissies/CDs) "they" enjoy it....they "ask" to be "forced."

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

What forced femme can do for you is this: 1) imasculate your man temporarily; 2) put him into sensual clothing bondage; 3) draw him closer to you as you tear down some masculine walls; 4) give him and you another avenue or control and training over his submission.

Many women do not want to emasculate their man. They actually enjoy MEN! Sensual clothing is not limited to lace and silk, and dresses, and blouses, heels and wigs, and makeup, etc. Why tear down masculine walls, when the idea is to be with, and enjoy, a "man" in the first place?

Really, and I'm not making this up...most women enjoy men to be men. Do an archive review here, and I think you'll see the results yourself.

K

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RE: Why SO much sissy/fem male subs??? - 1/21/2006 8:41:51 AM

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ORIGINAL: FTopinMichigan

Really, and I'm not making this up...most women enjoy men to be men. Do an archive review here, and I think you'll see the results yourself.

K

You're missing the point.

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RE: Why SO much sissy/fem male subs??? - 1/21/2006 8:57:16 AM

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Many women do not want to emasculate their man. They actually enjoy MEN! Sensual clothing is not limited to lace and silk, and dresses, and blouses, heels and wigs, and makeup, etc. Why tear down masculine walls, when the idea is to be with, and enjoy, a "man" in the first place?

Really, and I'm not making this up...most women enjoy men to be men. Do an archive review here, and I think you'll see the results yourself.

K
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you missed the point of the thread...
but its okay
you're entitled
i suppose SOME gals like manly men...but last "I" heard..that went out with the john wayne image..
the last decades have stripped men of manhood...
macho aint cool anymore.
and there is far too much male violence in today's medias
take care

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RE: Why SO much sissy/fem male subs??? - 1/21/2006 9:00:57 AM

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If.....a Big IF....here
I was a submissive male, I would want to be forced into things I was originally against.
It's what I do with female subs. It is extending their limits. Controlling them and Dominating. You know the limits, but you push them to places they want to be....eventually.
Fergus, before you know it you will end up in Panties and heels.....and love it.....LMAO

Peace, Kevin

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RE: Why SO much sissy/fem male subs??? - 1/21/2006 9:34:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: fastlane

If.....a Big IF....here
I was a submissive male, I would want to be forced into things I was originally against.
It's what I do with female subs. It is extending their limits. Controlling them and Dominating. You know the limits, but you push them to places they want to be....eventually.
Fergus, before you know it you will end up in Panties and heels.....and love it.....LMAO

Peace, Kevin

Its funny how forcing and irreversability are both erotic and scary. Forcing: coming from the DOM. Irreversible: it is going to happen and the sub will not control the scene.

I know this is kind of extreme, but I stumbled onto a picture of a woman tied up, legs spread, and positioned in front of a fucking maching. Talk about forcing (no way to resist) and irreversible (the Dom was going to turn that machine on.) All the sub can do is bear up.

In forced femme, the male is feminized and cannot re-masculate until given permission. Its an interesting dynamic, and it doesn't have to be a lifestyle --- it can just be a comparmentalized d/s activity. As a sub, I analogize it to bondage, there is an allure to going in and there is a need to get out. A talented DOM exploits these elements.

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RE: Why SO much sissy/fem male subs??? - 1/21/2006 10:56:42 AM

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there is an allure to going in and there is a need to get out.
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nu uhhhhhhhh

no way gonzo
this lil gray duck got no truck with that bondage thingie..i got this...if i can't move i hit the panic button thingie

i am a devout coward

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RE: Why SO much sissy/fem male subs??? - 1/21/2006 11:02:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: fastlane

If.....a Big IF....here
I was a submissive male, I would want to be forced into things I was originally against.
It's what I do with female subs. It is extending their limits. Controlling them and Dominating. You know the limits, but you push them to places they want to be....eventually.
Fergus, before you know it you will end up in Panties and heels.....and love it.....LMAO

Peace, Kevin

Oh, I would do it for a strong willed Domme as a form of humiliation .... just not my kink ;)

fergus

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RE: Why SO much sissy/fem male subs??? - 1/21/2006 11:13:42 AM

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LOL...friendly

I know Fergus...that's why I called you out.

I don't blame you either...it's all good ....enjoy.

YOu are cool! ONly wish you could play guitar....LOL

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