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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 12:05:20 PM

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have you faced any of these situations?

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 12:06:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

ok. fair enough. would you kill yourself while he watches? would you rob a bank to support him? would you move outside and live in a card board box while he lives in the comfort of his home? no limit slaves fascinate me. i would have thought one would have immediately said.. yes.. if he commanded it.

yes. yes. yes. all highly unlikely and rather illogical scenarios of course, but as they would all be within his rights as Master, yes.

I'd just like to point out that if your master has no right to tell you to involve another (ie the previously proposed litmus) because that other person isn't his property, he likewise has no right to tell you to rob a bank. Unless he owns the bank, of course.

Sorry. It was just a logical flaw for me. I really don't have much opinion surrounding the whole 'no-limits' thing.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 12:08:36 PM

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does it matter if its his property or not? he commanded it. its his desire. as a slave, should we question the why behind it?

(forgive me, im playing devils advocate right now)

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 12:09:58 PM

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This is where you lose your mind...."He has the right even to take my life."

I have no idea what happened to you. You need help. To reach this point is nothing to be proud of.. It simply shows that you place a complete lack of value on your own worth. If you believe you have no value, who else should?

You have reaped exactly what you have sowed. There should be no surprise when other people don't feel the way you do. It is actually rather sad.

who says that i believe i have no value? i KNOW that i have great value, to my Master, to loved ones..heck i even believe that my existence on this planet is something of value to the world in general. i recognize that i may not have value to you or those with similar thinking, but that is another thing entirely.

but my value as a human being does not outweigh the fact that i belong to another person, that my life is within his control. what is "sad" to me is that you look down upon submissives and slaves like me, and the Dominants who DO find value and beauty in what we have to offer.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 12:12:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

does it matter if its his property or not? he commanded it. its his desire. as a slave, should we question the why behind it?

(forgive me, im playing devils advocate right now)

Matter to me? No, not really. I generally couldn't care less about the whole "I'm a No Limits Slave" argument.

In 21st century western society, I believe the notion is completely absurd.

To me, if somebody really wants to be a no-limits slave, they ought to move to a part of the world where their wish could most certainly be granted in about 5 seconds flat. Forget it. As soon as you put the concept of consensuality into the equation, limits are - by definition - at play.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 12:16:12 PM

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I see that Collar Me's annual springtime "Slaviest Slave" competition has begun. Please be seated folks, the What Slave can commit hari kari competition is about to start! The survivors will then move on the 50 man gang bang and the I hobble because Master cut my slavey toes off potato sack race!

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 12:22:28 PM

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daddysprop247

i have no doubt what so ever that you have great value in the eyes of your Master! i also firmly believe your loved ones adore you immensely.

the one thing i was trying to get across was, and, please, daddysprop247 and anyone else who feels what i am about to say is wrong, that you are in an evolved relationship. it isnt one you entered into over night, but, instead, sprang from getting to know each other, building that level of trust to the point that, in your mind, heart and soul, you feel no qualms about saying "He wouldnt". thats a level of trust that is only built over time and exploration. its a beautiful feeling to have, one that i envy and am striving for within my own that is fairly new.

this thread began as newbies jumping head first into relationships. very few of us are that new. the degree of slavery we all possess came after time, effort, hard work and alot of introspection. my own relationship has been building for a year, and im still not at that no limit phase. to me, no limits doesnt mean "anything goes". it means my limits match his so well, there are no limits.

then again, i seem to be in a minority here.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 12:22:48 PM

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I see that Collar Me's annual springtime "Slaviest Slave" competition has begun. Please be seated folks, the What Slave can commit hari kari competition is about to start! The survivors will then move on the 50 man gang bang and the I hobble because Master cut my slavey toes off potato sack race!

That may be the funniest thing I've ever read on these forums!

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 12:34:18 PM

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I am slaviest salve. Send US $100000 tousand and ticket for plane. To Ghana. Then I having no limits

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 12:42:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

I see that Collar Me's annual springtime "Slaviest Slave" competition has begun. Please be seated folks, the What Slave can commit hari kari competition is about to start! The survivors will then move on the 50 man gang bang and the I hobble because Master cut my slavey toes off potato sack race!

lol. It is one of the things that kind of bugs me about all of this shit that we do. (or "aotstwd.") Anywhere else this would be viewed as behavior that is in dire need of an intervention or years of some fairly heavy clinical psychological evaluation..

daddy'sprop feel she has so much value that her partner went out and found another against her wishes...Too fucking funny or sad?

We have lost our minds. Whatever transpire out here it does so mostly between the ears. (and of course spread legs)...

What value is there actually placed on someone that has no limits? They are fun to see exactly what you can get them to do...But after awhile I would become completely bored. So the need for another would definitely arise...You being a "no limit sub" and since I really no longer really give a rat's ass, you can go fuck yourself if you don't like it. I know you will never leave, it is simply not in your makeup. You lack the stones.

Is there any personal responsibility out here? It is all just do as your told. No worrying about someone elses' well being or what is beyond the best interest of anyone but ourselves. It is sort of gross.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 12:43:11 PM

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I am slaviest salve. Send US $100000 tousand and ticket for plane. To Ghana. Then I having no limits

Check in mail...Come to Chicago.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 12:46:21 PM

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daddysprop247

i have no doubt what so ever that you have great value in the eyes of your Master! i also firmly believe your loved ones adore you immensely.

the one thing i was trying to get across was, and, please, daddysprop247 and anyone else who feels what i am about to say is wrong, that you are in an evolved relationship. it isnt one you entered into over night, but, instead, sprang from getting to know each other, building that level of trust to the point that, in your mind, heart and soul, you feel no qualms about saying "He wouldnt". thats a level of trust that is only built over time and exploration. its a beautiful feeling to have, one that i envy and am striving for within my own that is fairly new.

this thread began as newbies jumping head first into relationships. very few of us are that new. the degree of slavery we all possess came after time, effort, hard work and alot of introspection. my own relationship has been building for a year, and im still not at that no limit phase. to me, no limits doesnt mean "anything goes". it means my limits match his so well, there are no limits.

then again, i seem to be in a minority here.

you are not in the minority by any means, my guess would be that most would define "no limits" within D/s slavery the same way. i understand the concept of having the same limits, therefore the issue of limits becomes a moot point. i also would call any person who happens to share all or nearly all the same limits as their partner, very fortunate. it is just not what "i" mean or think of in regards to "no limits." no limits within this lifestyle to me means, "my limits are those that my Master wishes to place upon me, and these are not static and may change at any time according to his will or whim." long sentence, huh? lol. but again that is why basic compatibility is so important, so that you will at least have a solid foundation on which to build and grow the relationship...even if desires/needs/limits change over time.

you are correct when you say that these relationships, like any relationships really, are constantly evolving. perfection is not magically reached from day one. did i have complete trust in my Master when i first became his slave? was i in love? did i instantly accept all that it meant to be someone's property? nope, nope and nope. those things all took time. that last one was the most difficult part of all...truly, in heart and mind, accepting that i was owned and as a result my life...from the smallest details to the biggest issues...was in someone else's hands. even now i sometimes still struggle with that internally. but i accept the path that i chose and can only hope the same for others.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 12:58:40 PM

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I have to chime in here. Daddy's prop, you again are mistaken it takes no effort on his part. It is clear he can do whatever he chooses and has obviously done so. There are no ramifications for his actions. Since you are incapable of determining a path for yourself he runs the ship. You are not evolving, you are being led. Basic compatability is not an issue in your realtionship... It has no place within your relationship. You would be compatable to virtually anyone. You are incapable of caring what happens to you.

You would be just as happy with CP or anyone else that would feed you and put you up. You are really not that much of an entity. Sort of a sexy amoeba

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 3:22:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut

Judgemental and way off base much!!
Ever taken the time to talk to someone who has been hired or loaned out and discussed your concerns with them?
I'm guessing not considering you have no clue that most put safety first and that mutual enjoyment is gained in most cases.

I'm sorry, have I offended the village bicycle? Excuse me while I get my Hazmat suit to continue this conversation.

There are a whole lot of people who get a whole lot of "mutual enjoyment" out of things that are really, really unsafe and unsound. This community is full of them. They, like you, will get all offended and up in arms if you mention that you are unwilling to cope with both the squick and the health risk involved in taking a dump down your sub's throat, cutting off the blood flow to his/her brain, or letting other dominants contaminate them with potentially malignant juices.

I don't particularly care if YOU think being loaned out is "mutually enjoyable" or that it can be made "safe". Even in terms of health risk, multiple partners will never be equivalent to one partner. For emotional risks, this is even more true. And I was posting about MY feelings regarding MY submissive partners--philosophically speaking, what other people do in their own relationships doesn't matter a tinker's fuck to me, except when they start beating their chests and insisting that their squicktastic hijinx are somehow a Gold Standard for the whole community.

My point was that the OP's stereotypical vision of the Twue Dom throwing his/her property to a biker gang is retarded and disgusting, from my point of view: if ALL submissives had to "expect" to be treated and used this way, I'd leave this community on the run, for the sake of my own health and safety. It's not only that some of the diseases to which people are exposed by multiple sexual partners are incurable and can be subtle and fatal--like HPV, which is nearly indetectable right up until it causes fatal uterine cancer. It's also that polyamory and swinger crap are NOT everyone's cup of tea.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 3:26:12 PM

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Shakti,

Well of course, but the thread address the right of power, not how it is used.

CP

Honey, one of my favorite men once gave me a Korean sword for a gift.

He did so with the assumption that I would not use it to hurt him AND myself by being a moron.

I think a sensible submissive has the right to expect the same from a dominant to whom he/she gives Power.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 4:12:21 PM

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Thanks cantilena, I had a "funnier" one but I had a flash of a Mod Xl love letter and I edited. Quickly.

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88
I see that Collar Me's annual springtime "Slaviest Slave" competition has begun. Please be seated folks, the What Slave can commit hari kari competition is about to start! The survivors will then move on the 50 man gang bang and the I hobble because Master cut my slavey toes off potato sack race!

That may be the funniest thing I've ever read on these forums!

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 4:26:16 PM

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I think in any situation, be that there is clear and abiding communication as to what the sub/slave would be willing to do and what their limits are.

I am all for BDSM behavior and lifestyles, But I feel that when another persons' boundaries are not considered and planned for, when another person is not respected, then it should end immediately!

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 4:28:29 PM

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That highly disturbs me!

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 4:30:54 PM

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I'm going to go with sad. The saddest part is that this shit is then exalted, like how beautiful she is in her absolute obedience and under his exquisite Mastery, while meanwhile a beautiful young woman's heart is breaking, and yes I am saying that based on the statement that she would not choose to have a poly Master. I'm pretty certain that has to hurt, badly. This willingness to become an emotionally tortured martyr so Master can have all the strange pussy he wants is somehow transformed into the paragon of absolute slavery and a shining example of a perfect M/s relationship. Wtf?! Especially when she says she does not wish for this, but it has to be because she has no choice? How does that work exactly? I mean when someone says to me that they will kill themselves in front of their Master if he wishes, I don't even know how to fathom the unhealthiness of that. Kill him instead and go get a pedicure. Jesus.

All this constant suffering has to really break a psyche apart.

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domiguy: lol. It is one of the things that kind of bugs me about all of this shit that we do. (or "aotstwd.") Anywhere else this would be viewed as behavior that is in dire need of an intervention or years of some fairly heavy clinical psychological evaluation..

daddy'sprop feel she has so much value that her partner went out and found another against her wishes...Too fucking funny or sad?

We have lost our minds. Whatever transpire out here it does so mostly between the ears. (and of course spread legs)...

What value is there actually placed on someone that has no limits? They are fun to see exactly what you can get them to do...But after awhile I would become completely bored. So the need for another would definitely arise...You being a "no limit sub" and since I really no longer really give a rat's ass, you can go fuck yourself if you don't like it. I know you will never leave, it is simply not in your makeup. You lack the stones.

Is there any personal responsibility out here? It is all just do as your told. No worrying about someone elses' well being or what is beyond the best interest of anyone but ourselves. It is sort of gross.
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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 5:25:46 PM

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...You would be compatable to virtually anyone...

not to speak for daddysprop or anything, but, seriously, you are dead wrong on that point. judging by the reception that no-limit slaves get around this message board, "virtually anyone" aren't lining up in droves to own one.

quite the opposite, actually.

for example, would you agree to take responsibility for her...or for a similar slave that felt the exact same way about you having the absolute power or right to do as you please? anyone else on this thread extolling the virtues of having a slave that doesn't limit them in some way who would be just tickled pink to have one move in with them? where is the outcry for someone to use that chainsaw on...that won't run in the other direction once you fire it up?

it has been this slave's experience that the overwhelming majority of folks engaging in M/s and D/s relationships have absolutely NO desire to own or be a no-limits slave and more often than not, disparage the practice.

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I see that Collar Me's annual springtime "Slaviest Slave" competition has begun. Please be seated folks, the What Slave can commit hari kari competition is about to start! The survivors will then move on the 50 man gang bang and the I hobble because Master cut my slavey toes off potato sack race!...orig: Aynne88

Aynne88,

there have been some changes to the rules this spring. the "slaviest-slave" award is only open to those with limits...specifically limiting any Master (current or potential) from all manner of sociopathic outbursts, (cause we all know that the ONLY way to be safe from a sociopath is to make sure they know murder and associated mayhem are on one's hard-limits list)...the no-limits slaves have already won the "lunatic slave" award and have been disqualified from the "slaviest slave" competition.

tough break for the no-limits slaves, this season...they'll just have to be happy with everyone thinking they are absolutely nuts...but they are used to it though, so they should manage just fine.

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