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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/23/2009 9:41:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
why muddy the waters by allowing others to trample through your wadinng pool?

To be fair... why do we do things that have many risks for bodily injury? Ropes, cuffs, gags - all carry a risk that varies from rope burns, pulled muscles, serious injury and death. I can't answer for everyone of course but the reason for us is because we enjoy it and find it sexually exciting.

Same thing for letting others "trample through his wading pool" - however in our case it's not exactly lending. Though personally, we prefer to view my vagina in other terms.

< Message edited by AquaticSub -- 3/23/2009 9:44:27 PM >

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/23/2009 9:41:14 PM

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CP, I use 'you' because writing 'one' is cumbersome. But since I don't know you personally of course I wasn't referring to you personally but using 'you' to indicate a general you. I had assumed that would be understood since we were all talking about hypothetical relationships and not one specific one.

Edit to add: But my point still remains that if you general have the right to demand any extreme and unsafe act which you know is likely if not definite to cause trauma in your general s type, then you general had better be prepared to stand up to the plate. To provide the $20,000 a year anti- AIDS drugs cost. To pay for a mental hospital, and for several years afterwards as she tries to put her life back together. If you general do not want to do the time, then do not do the crime as the saying goes.

Basically be prepared that when you general say "what I say goes" you general must also realize that the buck stops there.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/23/2009 9:58:25 PM

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Just because I have a right, doesn't mean I will chose to exercise it.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/23/2009 11:20:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
why muddy the waters by allowing others to trample through your wadinng pool?

To be fair... why do we do things that have many risks for bodily injury? Ropes, cuffs, gags - all carry a risk that varies from rope burns, pulled muscles, serious injury and death. I can't answer for everyone of course but the reason for us is because we enjoy it and find it sexually exciting.

Same thing for letting others "trample through his wading pool" - however in our case it's not exactly lending. Though personally, we prefer to view my vagina in other terms.

for some, the thrill is intoxicating. to me, it would be akin to jumping out of a plane knowing my worse enemy packed my parachute.

my second job as a nurse found me working on a medical floor. i recall vividly meeting an extremely beautiful, healthy looking woman of 28 who was in because she "felt tired". her husband had died a few months before her. she was never told he had aids until she was diagnosed herself. she passed shortly after her diagnosis.who they left behind tested negative. it could have been a blood transfusion, though, none was on record for either person. we could only speculate as to the original cause. the woman wasted away within a month. to watch someone go through the denial, the anger, the hurt and finally the acceptance of her death sentence in such a short time still leaves me in tears.

i was a teen of the 80's. we didnt have to worry about aids, so we fucked around with wild abandonment. i witnessed three friends die of the disease.

if others are willinng to take the risk, more power to them. its not my place to judge. except for myself. i love sex, adore it, crave it. the more i get, the more i want. im not willing to die to enjoy it.

just my personal opinion.

so, yes, when the M part of the slash starts talking about "loaning" me out... im out. out the door. i have more to my life than the willingness to accept a potential death sentence to allow someone else to get his rocks off. i rarely claim to be slave. i only say i am what you see. your perceptions i cannot change. all i can be is me, with my experience and knowledge guiding my path.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 3:02:02 AM

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If a sub is 'loaned out' she can still be safe...maybe full sex is not even on the agenda...maybe they would just want to have you serve drinks butt naked for an hour with only some oggeling to contend with... further more there are condoms nowadays and you can have use of your own toys...being shared out does not necessarily mean having to fuck without protection with a total stranger who has aids...imo
Also i recon there must be a lot of subs who quite entertain the tought of being shared but (like me) have Masters who are not inclined to share at all and might find the idea actually quite repulsive...i do not mean Him any disrespect...i am just such a slut...like i said before; we all make compromises...

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 4:18:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

The trend continues here on CM wherein the new fems find the site and normally after about 30 to 60 days have found the " master" that they sought all their lives but just did not recognize their need until now.
My thoughts center on expectancies on the part of these newly rewarded females or males as they have found the light and dedicated themselves to a "master"or mistress.
Is there a understanding that a " master"/"mistress" carries the power of ultimate right to do as he/she desires. Does the sub/slave understand that if she or he is to be loaned out to friends for sexual pleasure or any other service; that it is to be complied with.
for myself i do not think there is an awareness but i look to others for their thoughts, be yee " D " or " s" .

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

Aquatic,

you and a few others seems to sieze upon the ?loan Out" example, when indeed it was just an example. I might have used moving to the Masters city or any onther somewhat extreme direction,
The point is stuill there that a sub has far less input if any when serving a master as opposed to a sub. You seems hell bent on chewing the subject to death and you have done so.

CP

You are the one that decided on using the terminology "loaned out." There is a huge difference between being loaned out to strangers and moving to a new town. Even a lowly sub can figure that one out.

Not a very Domly attribute to be back peddling to a sub. Remember you said the master, "carries the power of ultimate right to do as he/she desires." So why are you backing down?...By God, if the master says that the sub will be loaned out then that is exactly what shall transpire!

Also complaining about aquatic... "You seems hell bent on chewing the subject to death and you have done so." How masterful is it to show a poor overall temperament towards people that disagree with one of your thoughts?

Just saying. I think you are way off base.

domiguy,

It is really interesting that you would characterize my clarification of a position as backpeddling. Clarification of a position might be a disappointment to those that would like to argue ad nausim but to me it is a waste of time.

Now what makes Aquatic a "lowly" sub? I await that explaination.

One thing about the boards is an equality of person to be able to state thier position on an equal basis, be they " s" or " D " so hopefully that will continue without a power position which you appear to support and apply to the boards.

You also place your personal value on the activities of the use of power which is fine to state here but does not make it correct. Who is to say which Master directive is more onnerous than another. Many subs may very well prefer to be shared than be required to move away from a comfort and support position.

Now so there is no misunderstanding on my interpretation of the issue.

When a sub takes a Master/Madam they become for all intents and purposes owned and give up thir right to say "no" and still keep the relationship.
When a sub takes a Sir, they keep the ability to negotiate activities and responsives, but once allowed they are bound to it.

Both of the above carries with it all activities.

CP

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 4:25:57 AM

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

Aquatic,

you and a few others seems to sieze upon the ?loan Out" example, when indeed it was just an example. I might have used moving to the Masters city or any onther somewhat extreme direction,
The point is stuill there that a sub has far less input if any when serving a master as opposed to a sub. You seems hell bent on chewing the subject to death and you have done so.

CP

And you've missed my point entirely.

I do not agree with your above statement. When you attempt to dicate the terms and conditions of other people's relationships, you are rude and intruding upon their relationships. The input that the person serving will have depends entirely on the will of the person they are serving, regardless of what terms have meaning to the people involved or what terms have meaning to some random person who signs his posts "CP".

Aquatic,

I have to admit, you do make me smile. This forum is for opinons, questions and positions on a wide variety of subjects! you can disagree and all is well. I just had domiguy suggest I was back peddling and now you suggest I am dictatorial.

And life goes on.

CP

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 4:29:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: catize

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Is there a understanding that a " master"/"mistress" carries the power of ultimate right to do as he/she desires.

A better question would be: Is there an understanding that along with the master/mistresses’ rights there also comes serious responsibilities?

catiz,

A truely valid point! I ran such a thread a couple of years back and damn if the flamethowers Dominants did not unite.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 4:57:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

CP, I use 'you' because writing 'one' is cumbersome. But since I don't know you personally of course I wasn't referring to you personally but using 'you' to indicate a general you. I had assumed that would be understood since we were all talking about hypothetical relationships and not one specific one.

Edit to add: But my point still remains that if you general have the right to demand any extreme and unsafe act which you know is likely if not definite to cause trauma in your general s type, then you general had better be prepared to stand up to the plate. To provide the $20,000 a year anti- AIDS drugs cost. To pay for a mental hospital, and for several years afterwards as she tries to put her life back together. If you general do not want to do the time, then do not do the crime as the saying goes.

Basically be prepared that when you general say "what I say goes" you general must also realize that the buck stops there.

And a valid point!

Just because someone has ultimate power and authority over something doesn't negate the fact that intelligent people use things for their intended purpose. I submit for consideration that not all people are equipped for identical purpose and that sub or slave, not every s-type is equipped physically, mentally or emotionally for every conceivable activity a Master may desire. It then becomes the responsibility of each on either side of the slash to know what they desire and of what they are capable. I can harness my cat to a plow but it would kill the cat and not get the field plowed and there is failure for all. I could train a bullock to sit on my lap but even as its Master I could not make it purr. As DesFIP stated earlier, there are built in limits

Human beings all being created equal is hogwash. While all humankind has the right to life, liberty and to pursue happiness, the only thing humans have in equality is 24 hours in a day. Period. A consentual slave is not an identical, interchangable part.

To the original question of whether there are people who jump into relationships without taking time to actually knowing each other? Yeah, it happens. I don't see it as a new trend. I don't see it stopping just because we discussed it. I don't think the terms Master, Dominant, Top and submissive, slave, bottom can be defined to be a one size had damn well better fit all cuz someone is the UberMaster and says so.

I further agree with DesFIP that perhaps the majority have at least an inkling of their needs first before seeking out sites like this. A few might just not have enough to fill their allotted 24 hours and stumble across a site like this and play with it like it were any other cyber amusement.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 8:19:06 AM

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bypassing the Master vs. Sir argument, because that one is beyond me...i will say this:

i think i understand basically where CP is coming from here. i am another who believes that when one person agrees to be the slave/property of another, you give up the right to refuse or reject that person, and you give up the right to limits of your own. CP used the example of a Master deciding to loan the slave out to others. that's a good one, because it is an issue where many dreamy subs and wannabe slaves draw a line. "oh of course, i would do ANYthing for Master...but if he were to even suggest loaning me out to another man, i would bust his balls and be out the door in a minute!!"...such passionate proclaimations have always left me scratching my head and uttering a Scooby Doo "Rrrow?" that is because the fervent desire to cling to limits/personal boundaries/etc. just does not go with slavery, imo. however i do realize that many take a different and far less "all or nothing" view of such a dynamic. still, it can be confusing and unsettling. the confusion is increased when two people jump into a M/s dynamic knowing next to nothing about each other and discover months later that they define "slave" in drastically different ways.

basically, people need to have their eyes open and know exactly what they're getting into. they need to understand their own personal needs and desires as well, and be able to communicate those things clearly to another.

domiguy said that in his view this basically all boils down to people finding others with compatible "kinks." i disagree. i would say that it is important that people find other people with compatible values, ethics, and fundamental ideas on slavery, submission, dominance, a Master's rights, etc. would be slaves need to take the time and awareness to truly and thoroughly KNOW the person that they are about to belong to...if being loaned out (or anything else) is something you never wish to be subjected to and it would harm you irreparably, know that you have given yourself to a Master who is unlikely to share....BUT, and this is a mighty big BUT...also be aware that people can change and a Master may completely shift his view on a particular subject entirely...as a slave you must be prepared to handle that eventuality, not have the view of "well, i'm kickin' rocks!"

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 8:57:21 AM

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domiguy said that in his view this basically all boils down to people finding others with compatible "kinks." i disagree. i would say that it is important that people find other people with compatible values, ethics, and fundamental ideas on slavery, submission, dominance, a Master's rights, etc. would be slaves need to take the time and awareness to truly and thoroughly KNOW the person that they are about to belong to...if being loaned out (or anything else) is something you never wish to be subjected to and it would harm you irreparably, know that you have given yourself to a Master who is unlikely to share....BUT, and this is a mighty big BUT...also be aware that people can change and a Master may completely shift his view on a particular subject entirely...as a slave you must be prepared to handle that eventuality, not have the view of "well, i'm kickin' rocks!"

You are 100% incorrect. Dig you entirely, but you are truly out of your mind. There is no such thing as slavery. It is fictional it doesn't exist, it is a non subject, it is the null set, invalid, doesn't compute, never never land, bubkiss, entirely bogus.

You "master" changes his mind, you split. No biggie, that is how it works. I didn't mean to trivialize the relationship by using the word "kink." Poor choice on my part. But this is a relationship, and you are 100% correct in that you take time to find the "right" partner that is going to fulfill your needs.

There are women out there that get their twats a tweakin' at the thought of being loaned out...Whoopdeefuckin'doo! They dig it. if their partner digs it then they can discuss how subly they are. Hell to the fuck no! It is merely like minds connecting. There are subs out here that get all a juicy just thinking about being brutalized or completely humiliated, guzzling piss or diving head first into a long stay at the kennel. If they meet the right partner that can make these things become reality they can stand atop sub mountain and plant down the flag of royal subness. There are the subs like yourself that are of the type that are willing to allow another to be 100% in charge. they allow their partner to be in charge of every decision even if it means personal peril. So you found your match.....Again Whoopidyfuckingdooo!!!! The pot found it's lid nothing more nothing less. You are not more subbier than the next just because you don't possess the ability to make sound decisions.

The more I am out here the more I am continually reminded of the falseness of many of the assumptions that we make. Is this really any different than finding people with any like interests? If you find pleasure in the outdoors then it would behoove you to find the person that enjoys camping and hiking. Why is this really any different? I am continually baffled.

So if CP comes out here and says that it is necessary for all subs to understand that they could be loaned out by their masters; He is only going to get a positive response from subs that would agree to this activity. No biggie. If I say that I am looking for someone that enjoys the vegan lifestyle and you respond, I would assume that you have an interest in exploring a vegetarian diet. Different topic same animal.

Baffled Dom. Cleans the unicorn droppins off of my Domicile. Off to work.

Lastly. Just another thought. Who decides what makes a Dom? So the sub is going to be loaned out. What criteria should be utilized in finding a Dom? What should the Dom understand are his commitments to a sub? Let's start with the basics how about a decent fucking job? His own place? A car? Lives alone? Do subs even care?

What do subs ask to find if a Dom is right for them? Or are they just so eager to be under control that they have lost all ability when it comes to deciphering what is an appropriate partner.

Fuck it.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 9:04:06 AM

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my second job as a nurse found me working on a medical floor. i recall vividly meeting an extremely beautiful, healthy looking woman of 28 who was in because she "felt tired". her husband had died a few months before her. she was never told he had aids until she was diagnosed herself. i was a teen of the 80's. we didnt have to worry about aids, so we fucked around with wild abandonment. i witnessed three friends die of the disease.

if others are willinng to take the risk, more power to them. its not my place to judge. except for myself. i love sex, adore it, crave it. the more i get, the more i want. im not willing to die to enjoy it.

im monogamous, thats me, its how i am - i suspect this woman you talk about was too, but it didnt protect her from her husbands cheating and screwing around.

in a way id much rather be in an open relationship where everything is honest and for everyone involved to use condoms when having sex with anyone outside of the dynamic.

i think the power or right of a Dominant gets as much respect as is deserved. if theyre ignorant and stupid, respect will falter, if theyre genuine and caring, respect will grow.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 9:05:02 AM

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Aquatic,

I have to admit, you do make me smile. This forum is for opinons, questions and positions on a wide variety of subjects! you can disagree and all is well. I just had domiguy suggest I was back peddling and now you suggest I am dictatorial.

And life goes on.

CP

I don't suggest anything. I am stating my view that when you, as you have in this thread, state things not as opinions but as cold facts you are attempting to define other's relationships for them. Had you said "Yes but I see being as a master meaning this... " we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 9:22:36 AM

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Fast reply: loaning out my sub = yeeeeccch. Unsanitary!

For god's sake, this man is my personal sex toy. I don't loan out my vibrators or dildos to other women, either. Friends are friends but puh-freaking-lease--there are limits!

Whether I have the "right" or the "power" to do crazy-unsafe-swinger crap is irrelevant. I don't want the exposure to health risks AND emotional risks that goes with an extended network of sexual partners. I've seen the exponential risk chart that clocks your exposure to STD's as you add partners. It's creepy and squick-tastic.

I will never understand dominants who are turned on by making their submissive partner into the village bicycle, or some kind of cum-dumpster. Sure, great, you're all domly and in charge and you sure showed that sub who was boss. Now you're the proud owner of a festering pile of genital warts, lesions and AIDS! Hurray for you.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 9:37:59 AM

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You are 100% incorrect. Dig you entirely, but you are truly out of your mind. There is no such thing as slavery. It is fictional it doesn't exist, it is a non subject, it is the null set, invalid, doesn't compute, never never land, bubkiss, entirely bogus.

You "master" changes his mind, you split. No biggie, that is how it works. I didn't mean to trivialize the relationship by using the word "kink." Poor choice on my part. But this is a relationship, and you are 100% correct in that you take time to find the "right" partner that is going to fulfill your needs.

There are women out there that get their twats a tweakin' at the thought of being loaned out...Whoopdeefuckin'doo! They dig it. if their partner digs it then they can discuss how subly they are. Hell to the fuck no! It is merely like minds connecting. There are subs out here that get all a juicy just thinking about being brutalized or completely humiliated, guzzling piss or diving head first into a long stay at the kennel. If they meet the right partner that can make these things become reality they can stand atop sub mountain and plant down the flag of royal subness. There are the subs like yourself that are of the type that are willing to allow another to be 100% in charge. they allow their partner to be in charge of every decision even if it means personal peril. So you found your match.....Again Whoopidyfuckingdooo!!!! The pot found it's lid nothing more nothing less. You are not more subbier than the next just because you don't possess the ability to make sound decisions.

The more I am out here the more I am continually reminded of the falseness of many of the assumptions that we make. Is this really any different than finding people with any like interests? If you find pleasure in the outdoors then it would behoove you to find the person that enjoys camping and hiking. Why is this really any different? I am continually baffled.

So if CP comes out here and says that it is necessary for all subs to understand that they could be loaned out by their masters; He is only going to get a positive response from subs that would agree to this activity. No biggie. If I say that I am looking for someone that enjoys the vegan lifestyle and you respond, I would assume that you have an interest in exploring a vegetarian diet. Different topic same animal.

Baffled Dom. Cleans the unicorn droppins off of my Domicile. Off to work.

Lastly. Just another thought. Who decides what makes a Dom? So the sub is going to be loaned out. What criteria should be utilized in finding a Dom? What should the Dom understand are his commitments to a sub? Let's start with the basics how about a decent fucking job? His own place? A car? Lives alone? Do subs even care?

What do subs ask to find if a Dom is right for them? Or are they just so eager to be under control that they have lost all ability when it comes to deciphering what is an appropriate partner.

Fuck it.

wow that was harsh. out of my mind? i admit to having a touch or two of crazy, but i am not out of mind. also, slavery does exist, in this lifestyle and far more commonly outside of this lifestyle. again this is one of those issues where everyone defines things however the heck they want to, and then expect others to automatically follow suit. knowing you, i would know that if you were to refer to anyone as your "slave", you would be engaging in roleplay because for you there is no such thing as slavery. that is the important thing, knowing yourself, knowing your partners or would-be partners, and then judging compatibility from that knowledge.

however compatibility does not = "we share all the same interests/desires, have all complementary needs, love and hate all the same things." there are always going to be areas of disagreement, conflict, etc. that is inevitable for most.

yes i am a pot that found my lid. my Master and i share the same views on slavery, on dominance and submission, on a Master's power and rights. and we are very fortunate to have over the course of time fallen madly in love with one another as well. i personally could only be fulfilled in a relationship in which i have no say-so, no control or authority, no right to limits and such. it is not what gets me off, it is just what feels right to me and the only way that a serious relationship makes sense to me.

but, because we are compatible in these basic areas, does that automatically equate to Walt Disney Happy Fairy Times for all?? heck no! this is the real world, and real life. i understood from day one that while great fulfillment could be reached in being a slave, there would be great suffering and hardship along the way as well. as it turned out, the suffering and hardship were far greater than i ever imagined. still, i chose this life and accept these things as part and parcel of what it means to be owned by another person.

you said, "your Master changes your mind, you split." that's ridiculous and insane in my view, and completely out of the realm of anything i would recognize as slavery or even as serious commitment. it is also completely out of the realm of possibility for someone like me. this subjects his close to home for me because recently my Master "changed his mind" on a rather huge subject and has decided to claim another slave. if asked 5 or 8 years ago what my worst nightmare would be within this lifestyle, it would be poly. and yet here i sit now, one of two slaves, a "poly family." it is still my worst nightmare. but i accept it as i accept anything else my Master desires or demands, because that is my place and duty as a slave. i take that status seriously, that commitment, seriously. if i were his vanilla wife, i'd grumpily tolerate it but probably raise all kinds of holy hell on a daily basis. as his slave, that's not something i would ever even consider.

do i feel this makes me "subbier" than anyone else? not hardly. submissiveness has nothing to do with it frankly. understanding and acceptance of what it means to be owned...does.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 9:45:16 AM

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i thinki we are discussing the same things, just coming at it from different angels.

let me say, first, that condoms are in no way a full proof method in preventing the passage of diseases. thats a given. good luck arguing that point with anyone.

having said that, yes, some get extremely excited at being passed around. viva la difference. i try my hardest not to judge anyone. your kinks are your own. enjoy them as i do my own. nor do i shove my ideas as the one true way.

threads have popped up recently including one that asked, in essence.. is this a slave? who are we to judge what are the dynamics in a relationship between two people? for all i know, CP could be a whimpish man, henpecked by a wife and not allowed any freedom. or, he could be the most masterful man even born. i do not know him. i cannot make that assumption. forgive me, CP, for using you as an example. and i honestly have no clue what kind of man you are.

in turn, you have no idea what kind of woman i am. sure, i could list out why i believe i am what i say i am. give you references of men who will tell you the same. does it matter? would you believe? i doubt it if i do not fit your ideal of who a slave should act, or a submissive for that matter.

daddysprop247 seems to believe her way is the only way. again, i disagree completely. age, mental illness, physical illness, can cause anyone to "change" their minds. a stroke can send a sane person into wanting to do things completely out of character. and some men just plain change their minds. daddysprop247, what if he commanded you to kill someone in your family? please, dont use the excuse "he wouldnt" when you answer. for the purpose of my question, he has. now what?

before i beg collar and submit my body and will to his desires, i will know him thoroughly. once i commit, it takes a very long time, and some very drastic changes, for me to give up on that commitment. once i do commit, i have two duties. yes, amazing, isnt it... 2.

1) serve him with obedience and beauty.
2) protect his property at all costs

in the second, im not referring to no bruises, standing up and screaming "dont talk to me like that!", ect. i see his responsibilties including protecting my health and welfare. he doesnt have to love me, doesnt have to respect me. my wants are at his discretion to fullfill or not. my needs should be taken into consideration. if i serve, its not out of fear, i serve out of love.

again, just because i have submitted to his desires doesnt mean i have checked my brain at the door. i am an intelligent woman, who has so much to give to the man who wants it. i was one of those who jumped, head over heels. it didnt end disastrously, but if we had taken a bit more time, communicated a bit better, we would have seen how unsuited we were for each other.

i have no problems saying... "i dont wish to be shared and this is why". my reasons are health related, not based upon some romantic notion. i have shared my own body many times. again, long before aids was even spoken about in hushed whispers. same as i would have no problem sayinng "no Master, i will not lay my head against the railroad track as the amtrak train approaches" i may lose his respect, i may lose my collar, but at least i wont lose my life and i have completed that duty to myself in protecting what he claims he desires.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 9:46:53 AM

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The more I am out here the more I am continually reminded of the falseness of many of the assumptions that we make. Is this really any different than finding people with any like interests? If you find pleasure in the outdoors then it would behoove you to find the person that enjoys camping and hiking. Why is this really any different? I am continually baffled.

For me this is different because whilst Sir and i share a lot of interests and i enjoy doing many things for him, with him there are also things i loathe doing that i do as his slave. As a non-slave just his equal most of these things would recieve a hell no.
Not everyone gets mutual enjoyment all the time out of their relationships.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 9:49:48 AM

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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

Fast reply: loaning out my sub = yeeeeccch. Unsanitary!

For god's sake, this man is my personal sex toy. I don't loan out my vibrators or dildos to other women, either. Friends are friends but puh-freaking-lease--there are limits!

Whether I have the "right" or the "power" to do crazy-unsafe-swinger crap is irrelevant. I don't want the exposure to health risks AND emotional risks that goes with an extended network of sexual partners. I've seen the exponential risk chart that clocks your exposure to STD's as you add partners. It's creepy and squick-tastic.

I will never understand dominants who are turned on by making their submissive partner into the village bicycle, or some kind of cum-dumpster. Sure, great, you're all domly and in charge and you sure showed that sub who was boss. Now you're the proud owner of a festering pile of genital warts, lesions and AIDS! Hurray for you.

Judgemental and way off base much!!
Ever taken the time to talk to someone who has been hired or loaned out and discussed your concerns with them?
I'm guessing not considering you have no clue that most put safety first and that mutual enjoyment is gained in most cases.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 10:08:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

i thinki we are discussing the same things, just coming at it from different angels.

let me say, first, that condoms are in no way a full proof method in preventing the passage of diseases. thats a given. good luck arguing that point with anyone.

As your post says in response to me... I would like you to show me where I said that.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/24/2009 10:08:44 AM

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is a slave a toy or is a slave a preson? that what relley being asked here, in my mind thow a ture Dom know there some one in side that lil head they own, and they have too respect that

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