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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/21/2009 7:40:39 AM

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Peon,
The typo in the Title was intended. I was not refering to that error. I am talkling about the use of the word "been" makes no grammatical sense and you have to read the sentence 5 times to make sure what she was try to say. I am by no means an English major. There is also a 3rd error, but I am guessing many missed it.

I had to read the OP only once to assume that "been" was either a typo, meant to be "when", or another intentional "mistake". The grammatical error you refer to is an obvious technical one, but it's virtually meaningless in terms of effective communication, as it doesn't affect the understanding or flow of the message.

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/21/2009 8:04:06 AM

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Wow, I always thought you were literate but just a radical man-hating feminist.

Wow, I always thought you were a deeply insecure man who was threatened by any woman who had real power, sexual or intellectual, and who would always be spoiling for a meaningless fight for that reason.

And lookie, I was right.

I'm not going to indulge your insanity, I'm afraid. If you're hoping to shame me for my taste in plays or attack my knowledge of Elizabethan literature, I have no insecurities on that score. I've read more work from that period than most people know exists. I have my favorites; Taming of the Shrew will never be one of them.

So far as Shakespeare's biography goes? If you don't know what the word "hack" means, then I would suggest you don't try to use it in a sentence, whether you're being "cleverly sarcastic" or not. Shakespeare was without doubt "a person who works for mercenary reasons" and "a writer who works on order" as well as "a writer who aims for commercial success". My reference to Hollinshed and the Greco-Roman sources that Shakespeare used was about his need to pump out his plays as quickly as possible to keep food on the table for himself and his company. He was not some effete upper-class snob who wrote in his spare time while servants brought him tea and managed his financial affairs. He was a working man and he was working to order, and on a tight time budget.

As for your bullshit personal attacks about feminism? Please, spare me. I don't hate men. I'm just not partial to men like you. Tiny dick, tiny brain, and a giant male-dom chip on the shoulder--not a real attractive combination.

It should not be lost on anyone that you always come gunning for me on these forums, darlin'. NEVER vice versa. I don't go to the Master forums to pick fights with the male dominants about meaningless crap, or even bop around the General forums just to start foolish arguments with them. Pity you can't say the same, isn't it?

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/21/2009 8:14:14 AM

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I hate Midsummer Night's Dream worse---where the dad would rather see his daughter dead than happy.

Sorry, just seeking clarification ... (yes, I like dots too ) I didn't think that was in Midsummer Night's Dream- which was a comedy about the fairies getting things mixed up.

I believe the reference is to the beginning, when Egeus asserts control over his daughter Hermia's sexuality by invoking the Athenian law which states that a girl will either marry the man chosen by her father, or face death.

The patriarchal authority Theseus declares that death is too harsh a punishment for refusal to marry someone you do not love, and "kindly" offers the girl the opportunity to spend her life in chastity as a devotee of the virgin goddess Diana instead.

Needless to say Hermia doesn't think much of either option and runs off to the woods instead. Whackiness ensues.

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: and, my gracious duke,
Be it so she; will not here before your grace
Consent to marry with Demetrius,
I beg the ancient privilege of Athens,
As she is mine, I may dispose of her:
Which shall be either to this gentleman
Or to her death, according to our law
Immediately provided in that case.

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/21/2009 9:04:13 AM

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I believe the reference is to the beginning, when Egeus asserts control over his daughter Hermia's sexuality by invoking the Athenian law which states that a girl will either marry the man chosen by her father, or face death.

The patriarchal authority Theseus declares that death is too harsh a punishment for refusal to marry someone you do not love, and "kindly" offers the girl the opportunity to spend her life in chastity as a devotee of the virgin goddess Diana instead.

Needless to say Hermia doesn't think much of either option and runs off to the woods instead. Whackiness ensues.

Ah, much thanks! I had not remembered the reason they were wandering in the woods in the first place!

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/21/2009 9:07:49 AM

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I hate Midsummer Night's Dream worse---where the dad would rather see his daughter dead than happy.

Sorry, just seeking clarification ... (yes, I like dots too ) I didn't think that was in Midsummer Night's Dream- which was a comedy about the fairies getting things mixed up. I was wondering which play you were thinking of? A Winter's Tale maybe? Although, I can't remember the details sufficiently well enough to remember if that is the case. There are several plays that it could be- Romeo and Juliet sort of fits that.

well wishes,

anna

The play within a play, remember? There is the Oberon/Titania hatefest, but there are the two pairs of young people who are off in the forest eloping... they get hit by the love bug mixup, too! It's a truly mean spirited work at its core. This is a bit cynical, but I think that Shakespeare has endured when his contemporaries have faded away because he hits on all that is most awful about humanity--regardless of that "quality of mercy" speech.

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/21/2009 9:10:38 AM

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Whoops! I should read through the entire thread first!

And while we are in Literary Criticism Mode, Shakespeare got many of his plots from mythological sources, from history, from folklore, from earlier writers... pretty much where all writers get their ideas! I agree, he was a hack. A talented hack, but absolutely working for mercenary reasons.

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/21/2009 9:40:18 AM

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This has been an amazing thread. We started out with people and typos then we went to dots and I learned more about dots than I ever would want to know...and I am not sure yet how to use them. Then we went to Shakespeare! Where are we headed next?

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/21/2009 10:28:43 AM

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This is a bit cynical, but I think that Shakespeare has endured when his contemporaries have faded away because he hits on all that is most awful about humanity--regardless of that "quality of mercy" speech.

Really? I thought he'd endured because a lot of people have thought he was quite good.

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/21/2009 12:15:15 PM

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He IS quite good---but so is Aristophanes, and you don't see revivals of HIS stuff in Central Park, now do you?

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/21/2009 12:18:53 PM

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You've got me there, Lady Hib. I've never seen a revival of Aristophanes in Central Park, to be sure.

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/21/2009 12:21:03 PM

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See!

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/21/2009 2:14:28 PM

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maybe? or they don't know how to use the damn spell checker? (speaking of which, the typo in My topic was on purpose)!! LOL

it just always gets to Me, when they are talking about how smart they are, the spelling is so poor!

to add to it, why do subs say, " I can't wait to meet you"... then go poof?? it drives Me nuts!

Not only do you have a typo in your Topic, but there is also a grammatical error in your original post. Not to be picky in all.

Possibly try saying something new, that hasn't already been said?! (look back 3 pages)

For those of you that comment and are a little slower than others, the object of the thread was to discuss emails that are not easily understood due to TYPOS or misspellings. Not grammatical errors. I am not looking for everyone that emails Me to have a degree in English I would just like to receive emails that I can comprehend.

I like dots too.....

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/21/2009 2:41:31 PM

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dsl69us wrote: According to me, bad grammar and spelling is a sign of either carelessness or maybe a lack of respect.... i.e. either i am like this and i don't care how people conceive me as or i don't think you are worth my time to make sure my spellings are all right...

Um. Are you sure that bad use of English indicates disrespect or carelessness? Which one is it in your case?

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/21/2009 6:41:35 PM

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Really? I thought he'd endured because a lot of people have thought he was quite good.

He is. But there were other factors. Marlowe was also very good, but he doesn't hold the sway over future generations that Shakespeare does. W.S benefited a great deal from being one of the most popular writers of his day, being politically well-connected, having a truly amazing group of friends who pulled together tremendously to collect and publish his works after his death, and for living much longer (and thus producing much more work) than equally talented contemporaries like Chris Marlowe.

As for revivals? Sometimes the language of the revival is key. They don't perform Aristophanes in central Park, to be sure, but they still perform his plays in the outdoor theaters in Greece, and the audience still loves him. I think the only other playwright from antiquity who still has that power over modern audiences is probably Plautus. Even in translation, he can get some good laughs.

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/21/2009 7:37:14 PM

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This has been an amazing thread. We started out with people and typos then we went to dots and I learned more about dots than I ever would want to know...and I am not sure yet how to use them. Then we went to Shakespeare! Where are we headed next?

I'm hoping for Gumby and Pokey because I'm not a real smart guy, so that's about all I can speak about with any real gumption. That Shakespeare stuff is way too challenging for my limited intellect. Now, get me started on the elasticity of Gumby...oh, man....

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/21/2009 7:44:01 PM

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Oh Gumby... the stretchable boyfriend... I could use one. Thanks sarbonn... you had to get me thinkin didn't ya!

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/21/2009 7:47:26 PM

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Really? I thought he'd endured because a lot of people have thought he was quite good.

He is. But there were other factors. Marlowe was also very good, but he doesn't hold the sway over future generations that Shakespeare does. W.S benefited a great deal from being one of the most popular writers of his day, being politically well-connected, having a truly amazing group of friends who pulled together tremendously to collect and publish his works after his death, and for living much longer (and thus producing much more work) than equally talented contemporaries like Chris Marlowe.

I'm afraid it was ever thus. Possibly far worse in those days than now. Certainly, the same principle applies to composers - god knows how many brilliant examples have vanished in history because they never had the patronage. But, Shakti, aren't you changing your opinion here? Now, you say that Shakespeare was 'quite good' - whereas earlier you agreed with LordandMaster that he was a 'hack' . . .

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/21/2009 7:55:40 PM

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You can be good AND a hack, Peon, they're not mutually exclusive! A hack is someone who cranks out work, and will twist the truth to please his or her audience. (go read his "Henry VII" and snort).

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/21/2009 8:05:44 PM

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*chuckles* Yep. Hacking is about doing it fast, doing it for money and having no shame--not necessarily about being bad at the job. Although the two are not mutually exclusive, of course--you can be a hack AND have no talent or skill as well.

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/21/2009 8:06:04 PM

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Shakespeare was just a simple hack in comparison to the greatness that is Gumby. I mean, Shakespeare was some stuck up guy living in a tower who wrote "stories" while Gumby was out there representing us, defending us from the evil that was known as the blockheads. Shakespeare would have frozen up upon meeting them, but not Gumby. Gumby suffered for us. He took care of business with his little horsey friend Pokey and that dinosaur Prickle and whatever the hell that Goo character was. We owe our very freedom to the elasticity that was Gumby. Shakespeare gave us a bunch of stories that we had to take tests on in college. Big whup.

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