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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/21/2009 8:22:45 PM

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The play within a play, remember? There is the Oberon/Titania hatefest, but there are the two pairs of young people who are off in the forest eloping... they get hit by the love bug mixup, too! It's a truly mean spirited work at its core. This is a bit cynical, but I think that Shakespeare has endured when his contemporaries have faded away because he hits on all that is most awful about humanity--regardless of that "quality of mercy" speech.

Thank you Lady H, I think I had forgotten about this part because I am more familiar with the ballet version- when telling the story with no words, things can get a little lost in the translation, lol (However one does not have to worry about grammar, spelling, or little dots)

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/21/2009 8:25:57 PM

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I adore the ballet version!

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/21/2009 8:42:39 PM

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Right, first make the outrageous claim that Shakespeare cribbed from other authors, and then when someone calls you on your bullshit, attack the messenger!

Have a nice day.

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Wow, I always thought you were a deeply insecure man who was threatened by any woman who had real power, sexual or intellectual, and who would always be spoiling for a meaningless fight for that reason.

And lookie, I was right.

I'm not going to indulge your insanity, I'm afraid. If you're hoping to shame me for my taste in plays or attack my knowledge of Elizabethan literature, I have no insecurities on that score. I've read more work from that period than most people know exists. I have my favorites; Taming of the Shrew will never be one of them.

So far as Shakespeare's biography goes? If you don't know what the word "hack" means, then I would suggest you don't try to use it in a sentence, whether you're being "cleverly sarcastic" or not. Shakespeare was without doubt "a person who works for mercenary reasons" and "a writer who works on order" as well as "a writer who aims for commercial success". My reference to Hollinshed and the Greco-Roman sources that Shakespeare used was about his need to pump out his plays as quickly as possible to keep food on the table for himself and his company. He was not some effete upper-class snob who wrote in his spare time while servants brought him tea and managed his financial affairs. He was a working man and he was working to order, and on a tight time budget.

As for your bullshit personal attacks about feminism? Please, spare me. I don't hate men. I'm just not partial to men like you. Tiny dick, tiny brain, and a giant male-dom chip on the shoulder--not a real attractive combination.

It should not be lost on anyone that you always come gunning for me on these forums, darlin'. NEVER vice versa. I don't go to the Master forums to pick fights with the male dominants about meaningless crap, or even bop around the General forums just to start foolish arguments with them. Pity you can't say the same, isn't it?

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/21/2009 10:22:15 PM

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Right, first make the outrageous claim that Shakespeare cribbed from other authors, and then when someone calls you on your bullshit, attack the messenger!

Lol! Your ignorance is matched only by your belligerence, I see. Maybe if you spent more time reading and less time on the Internet, you'd know the difference between an "outrageous claim" and an "obvious fact".

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/22/2009 7:47:07 AM

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I personally think that taking the time to fully write out the words, and make sure the spelling is correct, is a sign of respect. I would not want someone to have to translate what I say through every mail or text message. Also, it's another way to show that you're willing to take a little more time and do things right. *shrugs* I don't see the point of the whole leet speak thing either. Maybe in phone text messages where you're limited in space, but not in forum posts, and most certainly not in email.

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/22/2009 4:54:09 PM

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I've already asked you to inform us which authors Shakespeare cribbed from. Since the answer is "None," I won't bother waiting for a response.

Really, this is ridiculous. You've backed yourself into a corner where you're claiming it's an "obvious fact" that Shakespeare was a plagiarist, and instead of conceding that you overstated whatever it was you meant to say, you'd rather just lash out. I have to wonder why you think anyone else should take you seriously when you don't take even take your own claims seriously enough to justify them when someone challenges them.

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Right, first make the outrageous claim that Shakespeare cribbed from other authors, and then when someone calls you on your bullshit, attack the messenger!

Lol! Your ignorance is matched only by your belligerence, I see. Maybe if you spent more time reading and less time on the Internet, you'd know the difference between an "outrageous claim" and an "obvious fact".

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/22/2009 4:55:58 PM

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Okay, LaM, Shakespeare DID get lots of his story ideas from other places and other writers. Plagiarism? Doubtful. Original? Not entirely. Good stories are timeless in their way, and he updated a lot of classics.

Now, go back to your own corner, please. If you want to snipe at someone, take it to CMail.

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/22/2009 5:03:20 PM

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I don't know (I suppose that I am ignorant though not belligerant) whether Bill was a hack or not... whether he cribbed or not.

I do know that whoever wrote Act 4, Scene 3 of Henry V... gets it!

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/22/2009 5:04:25 PM

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Thanks for your input, but I wasn't asking you.

To those of us who write for a living, to say an author "cribbed" from someone else is a serious charge, and if you throw it around lightly, people are going to make you prove your allegations. Falsely accusing an author of plagiarizing is about as serious a misstep as you can make. In fact, there have been lawsuits over that.

She's so emotional about this and annoyed by me that she'd rather just say bullshit about Shakespeare (while calling me charming names like insane and belligerent, and speculating about the size of my penis) than admit that she doesn't really mean what she said.

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/22/2009 5:16:19 PM

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I'm pretty annoyed by you, as well! Truly, I didn't interpret "cribbed" to mean "plagiarized", either. The accusations of Bacon and Marlowe writing some of the plays were what *I* was thinking...

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/22/2009 5:19:42 PM

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Look up "crib" in a dictionary. "To crib" means "to plagiarize." I don't know WHAT she meant, because she keeps refusing to give any examples. Instead, she'd rather call me names and talk about my dick size.

I think she has gone too far with her irresponsible outbursts, and in any case her personal attacks are tiresome and unbecoming. Remember the thread where she told the OP to fuck off and die? I don't understand how this is tolerated.

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/22/2009 8:06:29 PM

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I've already asked you to inform us which authors Shakespeare cribbed from.

Jesus fucking Christ. The answer is a list literally the length of my arm. Since you can't be bothered to educate yourself, here's a partial list from JUST ONE play mentioned earlier in the thread, "A Midsummer Night's Dream", alone.

Spenser, The Faerie Queen
Chaucer, The Knight's Tale
Apuleius, The Golden Ass
Ovid, The Metamorphosis

not to mention the influence of rustic country-side comedies and traditional stock characters like Robin Goodfellow, who dates from the Middle Ages or earlier.

That's four well-known and obvious antecedents for a single play. Eager as you are to dismiss Hollinshed, he is nonetheless one of the major sources for the majority of Shakespeare's "histories" and some of his tragedies. The majority of the comedies are drawn from one or more Classical or Medieval sources-- "All's Well That Ends Well" from The Decameron by Bocaccio, as an example--although sometimes he worked with things that were written by his contemporaries, as when he lifted many aspects of "As You Like It" from Thomas Lodge's "Rosalynde".

In short, Shakespeare did a lot of reading. Since you seem to be such a great admirer of his, maybe you should try following his example.

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/22/2009 8:21:19 PM

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Thanks for your input, but I wasn't asking you.

To those of us who write for a living, to say an author "cribbed" from someone else is a serious charge, and if you throw it around lightly, people are going to make you prove your allegations.

If I meant to say "plagiarize", I would have said "plagiarize". Anyone who has been reading my posts for any length of time knows that I am more than capable of using very large words when they are appropriate. "Cribbing" is not necessarily plagiarism from my point of view--it's something you sometimes do when you copy a friend's notes for a class you missed. The word has many definitions; the one I was using means "a petty theft", not "a major criminal offense".

If you have been fuming in your little corner for days because you think I called Shakespeare a plagiarist, feel free to go away well-satisfied, having won an argument that never existed in the first place. You have not backed me into any corners, nor succeeded in putting any words in my mouth which were never there.

As for personal insults--you rode in making them. My first response to you was simply matter-of-fact, not insulting--you just happen to be a hysterical loon looking for a fight, and I don't feel like taking your shit, now or ever, so I responded in kind.

As for what is tolerated around here? I could seriously do without your chest-beating, cyber-stalking, aggressively childish male dominant bullshit. If I tell anyone around here to fuck off and die, they usually deserve it, and you are no exception.

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/22/2009 9:13:54 PM

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Thank goodness I knew what you meant the first time, Shakti! Sometimes I think I spend too much time crunching numbers to deal with non-legalese language.

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/22/2009 9:25:55 PM

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Could someone please change the thread title to 'Sadists talking about Shakespeare?'

I could never get into Bill's work, pure torture for me. If I was a masochist, and someone wanted to torture me in a meaningful way, a book report on Shakespeare would surely do the trick.

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/22/2009 9:28:11 PM

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You're KIDDING me, right? Though of course reading it is NOT the same as speaking it, or watching a play. Americans aren't taught how to read poetry.

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/22/2009 9:34:28 PM

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Could someone please change the thread title to 'Sadists talking about Shakespeare?'

I could never get into Bill's work, pure torture for me. If I was a masochist, and someone wanted to torture me in a meaningful way, a book report on Shakespeare would surely do the trick.

So, should your reading the thread be considered some type of self infliction?

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/22/2009 9:44:39 PM

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Could someone please change the thread title to 'Sadists talking about Shakespeare?'

I could never get into Bill's work, pure torture for me. If I was a masochist, and someone wanted to torture me in a meaningful way, a book report on Shakespeare would surely do the trick.

So, should your reading the thread be considered some type of self infliction?

If I don't do it, who will :(

LadyHibiscus, I've seen some performed and not wanted to kill myself, which is nice. I can appreciate it, and I'm sure as I get older will appreciate it more and *gasp* like it, but as a youth, I never got an appreciation for it, or poetry.

It's funny, I was on a date a couple weeks ago with someone getting her PhD in some literary discipline and she said something like 'How can someone be so smart having never read a good book?'

I laughed and couldn't give her an answer. She asked me if I'd read like 50 different books, including a bunch of the classics and I had read like three. I read a lot, but fiction/literature isn't something I've ever had a huge interest in. I've got some time off in May and plan on reading about the middle ages and Turkey. That seems more interesting to me than shakepeare.

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RE: Eduated Subs?!#****! - 4/22/2009 9:46:25 PM