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RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? - 5/23/2009 8:28:15 AM   
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I'm going to disagree and say "Slightly Yes." (And I am not going to be PC in this explanation)

It seems as though there are a disproportionate number of Obese Women in the public BDSM scene. I think that Dominant men are generally more willing to lower their standards for a submissive women who weighs more than they otherwise would pursue


I agree with almost everything you said, with one addition; there are also a dispropotionate number of obese dominants in the public BDSM scene.  Submissive men and dominant women, on the other hand, seem to follow a normal weight distribution.

To expand on your reasoning for this, I suspect a lot of men compensate for their obesity by grabbing a flogger  and a title.

When I attend my local Munch, I feel almost waif-like :)


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RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? - 5/23/2009 2:03:10 PM   
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First post other than hello...

the sole reason i came to collarme was to see what the community at large was like. i am a big girl... always have been... always will be. my Master/Husband wants to take me to a club but i have been reluctant because i'm not barbie. He has indulged that fear by allowing me to sign up here  and He posted pictures as a help to me in getting used to public exhibition. W/we have been together and practicing this lifestyle for almost 20 years, but never as part of the larger community... my biggest fear has always been the public aspect.

i will always do what my Master/Husband wants no matter how i feel about it...i trust Him completely, but this thread has really made me worry about how i would be treated or looked on...

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RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? - 5/23/2009 2:38:06 PM   
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RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? - 5/23/2009 2:48:44 PM   
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First post other than hello...

the sole reason i came to collarme was to see what the community at large was like. i am a big girl... always have been... always will be. my Master/Husband wants to take me to a club but i have been reluctant because i'm not barbie. He has indulged that fear by allowing me to sign up here  and He posted pictures as a help to me in getting used to public exhibition. W/we have been together and practicing this lifestyle for almost 20 years, but never as part of the larger community... my biggest fear has always been the public aspect.

i will always do what my Master/Husband wants no matter how i feel about it...i trust Him completely, but this thread has really made me worry about how i would be treated or looked on...


i swear to GOD! i understand how you feel....mine is so bad it actually inhibits my ability to enjoy sex(not to have it though). i feel so completely ugly(when naked only) its not even rational. To even THINK about public nudity is absurd to me.


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RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? - 5/23/2009 3:38:06 PM   
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First post other than hello...

the sole reason i came to collarme was to see what the community at large was like. i am a big girl... always have been... always will be. my Master/Husband wants to take me to a club but i have been reluctant because i'm not barbie. He has indulged that fear by allowing me to sign up here  and He posted pictures as a help to me in getting used to public exhibition. W/we have been together and practicing this lifestyle for almost 20 years, but never as part of the larger community... my biggest fear has always been the public aspect.

i will always do what my Master/Husband wants no matter how i feel about it...i trust Him completely, but this thread has really made me worry about how i would be treated or looked on...
Welcome to the forums BigdawgsPSP.   Don't be afraid because of anything you read here, because a lot of people express their feelings here without fear, because it is protected by the anonimity the internet allows.   Some people come to express the darkness they feel within, and all of us are prone to that at some point or another.

Believe me when I tell you that I used to be fairly terrified of breathing in public, never mind consider doing anything that involves nakedness in public.   I'm glad to report that I can actually go out by myself now, don' mind getting naked in front of anyone, and can actually start a conversation with strangers on occasion...  Mostly, a mind over matter thing.

I decided to attend a couple of meetings and play parties, because I had a lovely submissive man offer to hold my hand, and I've never regretted it.   No one at the public event treats you poorly, or looks at  you with anything other than curiosity, and "do you wanna play?" look.
As you have your husband/master asking you to do it, I'd say you already have a safety net in place, and should just do as he asks, say "phuck it (in your head) to anyone who doesn't think you look awesome, submit to the moment, and enjoy yourself .  M

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RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? - 5/23/2009 5:36:01 PM   
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Hi BigdawgsPSP,

I am a very large woman, don't worry about going out in public. I attend local munches/parties and have attended conventions and I have never felt in the slightes way that anyone was less than receptive.  Locally, I get request to top subs all the time.  I have been nude at parties, never had anyone react badly.  I have felt very accepted and appreaciated.

So, don't worry - go and have fun!

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RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? - 5/23/2009 5:40:19 PM   
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Welcome to the forums BigdawgsPSP.   Don't be afraid because of anything you read here, because a lot of people express their feelings here without fear, because it is protected by the anonimity the internet allows.   Some people come to express the darkness they feel within, and all of us are prone to that at some point or another.


Seriously, doing anything in life based on what a bunch of internet posters think or say is a losing proposition. While they try and portray perfection, most of the guys talking shit on the internet are a bunch of dopes who couldn't get laid in a woman's prison if they paid for it.

A question for you though, you say you're a big girl, always have and always will be, and then profess to having body image issues and fears about what people think. Why wouldn't that motivate you to lose weight? If it's something that emotionally limits you from doing something you'd like to do, then I would imagine that it's manifesting itself in other areas of your life as well, no?

I guess it's just weird to me that people would not do the things necessary to overcome those emotional roadblocks. Do you think that you would be happier/less affected by these thoughts if you lost the weight or is it something else?

Just curious.


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RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? - 5/23/2009 6:02:45 PM   
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While they try and portray perfection, most of the guys talking shit on the internet are a bunch of dopes who couldn't get laid in a woman's prison if they paid for it.





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RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? - 5/23/2009 6:03:48 PM   
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While they try and portray perfection, most of the guys talking shit on the internet are a bunch of dopes who couldn't get laid in a woman's prison if they paid for it.





Thats it...you made my night...


that was easy. I'm glad I could help :)


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RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? - 5/23/2009 7:13:52 PM   
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Nope.  People are people, and being kinksters does not suddenly make us more understanding or more accepting.  Unfortunately, you will always find people who want to knock you for one thing or another. You can decide to return the favor, or laugh at them for it.

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RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? - 5/23/2009 7:51:23 PM   
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While they try and portray perfection, most of the guys talking shit on the internet are a bunch of dopes who couldn't get laid in a woman's prison if they paid for it.


A bit crass, but i am afraid cut to the point.

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RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? - 5/23/2009 9:23:00 PM   
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Seriously, doing anything in life based on what a bunch of internet posters think or say is a losing proposition. While they try and portray perfection, most of the guys talking shit on the internet are a bunch of dopes who couldn't get laid in a woman's prison if they paid for it.
 I agree. 

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A question for you though, you say you're a big girl, always have and always will be, and then profess to having body image issues and fears about what people think. Why wouldn't that motivate you to lose weight? If it's something that emotionally limits you from doing something you'd like to do, then I would imagine that it's manifesting itself in other areas of your life as well, no?
I hope you were responding to BigdawgsPSP, and not me,  because you will never find a post made by me in any nic, that says I don't apreciate the body I'm in.   I have been terribly shy in the past, but it was never because of my size.   I was invited at 30, and 10 pounds (ok maybe 15lbs) lighter than where I am now, to go to an agency and take pictures, and look into modeling.   I was carded when ordering alcohol 9 months ago.

I would never profess to be always in a great place emotionally, or try to preach to anyone on how to get to a good place (unless he/she asked, lol), because of his/her weight/looks.   I simply know that being called beautiful was never terribly meaningful, until I decided I was.   My look though  has hardly ever been what makes me feel like a worthwhile human being.  My values never were and will never be based on looks.   That isn't to say that I find all people visually appealing, nor that I expect all people to find me visually appealing.   So I admit to having my fair amount of shallowness, but I would never insult another because of his weight, nor would I accept/be insulted because of mine.    M

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RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? - 5/23/2009 9:33:22 PM   
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I hope you were responding to BigdawgsPSP, and not me,


Correct, sorry for any confusion.


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RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? - 5/23/2009 9:38:47 PM   
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No problem...  If I ever run into you, don't be surprised if you feel an extra hard whack on your backside.    M

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RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? - 5/23/2009 9:48:54 PM   
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No problem...  If I ever run into you, don't be surprised if you feel an extra hard whack on your backside.    M


I can imagine there's worse things in the world :)


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RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? - 5/24/2009 1:19:59 AM   
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Go to the munches in your community; if the people attending are older & chubbier, chances are the parties are also full of older & chubbier people. That's been my experience here in Northern California. Even in the San Francisco Bay area the parties & munches are overwhelmingly full of older, chubbier persons.

Here's what I posted earlier in the thread (it bears repeating):

I actually do think that there are ways & places in which BDSM can be a more accepting space about people's bodies -- all the play parties & 'public' dungeons I've gone to have been places where I can run around scantily clad & or naked & be appreciated. Outside of nudist colonies & Burning Man, I'm hard-pressed to think of other places where I can strut around & feel desired (inclusive of admiring looks from others) when wearing darn little to no clothing . . . .

It's true that here on CM it's easy for people to display a level of pickiness they may not even actually follow thru in real life, but in real life BDSM interactions I've found that not only is there quite a bit of 'fat acceptance', some places & people actually demand fat acceptance as part of polite conduct . . . . . (SinfulCat in Sac, when running her Sindulgences space specifically had fat tolerance as a requirement to attend play parties, for example . . . . . . )


Oh. & also in my experience, the explicit expectations of polite conduct at parties are much more stringent than the general culture; that is, party hosts expect guests to behave really really well, with great respect.

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ORIGINAL: BigdawgsPSP

First post other than hello...

the sole reason i came to collarme was to see what the community at large was like. i am a big girl... always have been... always will be. my Master/Husband wants to take me to a club but i have been reluctant because i'm not barbie. He has indulged that fear by allowing me to sign up hereĀ  and He posted pictures as a help to me in getting used to public exhibition. W/we have been together and practicing this lifestyle for almost 20 years, but never as part of the larger community... my biggest fear has always been the public aspect.

i will always do what my Master/Husband wants no matter how i feel about it...i trust Him completely, but this thread has really made me worry about how i would be treated or looked on...



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RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? - 5/24/2009 3:22:48 AM   
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the sole reason i came to collarme was to see what the community at large was like. i am a big girl... always have been... always will be. my Master/Husband wants to take me to a club but i have been reluctant because i'm not barbie. He has indulged that fear by allowing me to sign up here  and He posted pictures as a help to me in getting used to public exhibition. W/we have been together and practicing this lifestyle for almost 20 years, but never as part of the larger community... my biggest fear has always been the public aspect.

i will always do what my Master/Husband wants no matter how i feel about it...i trust Him completely, but this thread has really made me worry about how i would be treated or looked on...

Bigdawgs- You have come in on the end of a very long and fairly ugly thread. That said, you are a beautiful girl, IMO. It's obvious that your Master/Husband thinks so, and isn't it His opinion that really matters? If it helps, I have never seen anyone treated as nastily at a club, event, or any other "real life" venue as I've seen people treated here. I doubt that many in this thread who have expressed disgust for those of us who aren't Barbies would have the nerve to spew said venom should we meet at a club rather than on an anonymous message board. What does that say about them?


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RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? - 5/24/2009 4:43:42 AM   
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A question for you though, you say you're a big girl, always have and always will be, and then profess to having body image issues and fears about what people think. Why wouldn't that motivate you to lose weight? If it's something that emotionally limits you from doing something you'd like to do, then I would imagine that it's manifesting itself in other areas of your life as well, no?

I guess it's just weird to me that people would not do the things necessary to overcome those emotional roadblocks. Do you think that you would be happier/less affected by these thoughts if you lost the weight or is it something else?

Just curious.



i know gorgeous women with perfect bodies who would never be seen nude, some who are even afraid to let their SO see them. imho, the problem with body image has nothing to do with the body, it is all between the ears. women are too hard on them selves, no matter how beautiful others may find them.

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RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? - 5/24/2009 7:03:07 AM   
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My $.02--

I was born fat.  The doctor wrote "FAT" on my birth checklist (you know when they mark off that you've got your fingers and toes).  I have always been, as my mom puts it, sturdy.  What the hell did she expect when she put cereal in the bottle on the way home from the hospital?  My first diet was at 7 and was medically supervised.  But I, to my mind, was a normal kid who did all the normal kids things.

So at 12 something bad happened.  And, conscious or not, I started putting on A LOT more weight.  And it just kept piling on.  Why?  Because I ate crap and didn't exercise enough.  And maybe if I was big enough I would get so big that no one would notice me.  It was an effective strategy for the most part.  But, in turn, left me even more miserable.

When I joined CM I fudged on the profile.  I was not 200#  at 5'4" but really #237 and miserable.  And it was my fault.  When I met a guy on here (the one I'm with now) it was slightly less of a lie since I had gotten down to 220#.  When we met I was also in the process of being qualified for lap-band surgery.  He's never said anything about my weight.  He did say that I ate like crap and didn't exercise.  So part of his rules were (and still are) no snacking, no soda, no sweets and exercise 5x a week.  He has never judged my weightloss or lack there of.  He has had a thing or two to say if I have "cheated" and the few times I have there's been hell to pay.  Anyway, by November my surgery date rolled around and he left it up to me as to have it or not.  From the beginning he was against it.  Ultimately, I chose to have it anyway and did so on November 22.

Here's the funny part.  I've been very open to everyone about having the surgery.  I didn't keep it a secret and when I've been asked how I'm losing the weight I've been up front about it.  Reactions have been 100% positive.  But 95% have also said "Ummm, you're looking great but how on earth did you qualify?  You weren't very big!"  The answer to that is that I'm very, very lucky that my weight has always been evenly distributed so I look smaller than I actually am...and still do.  So I'm down about 70lbs from my high and want to go another 30 or so.

As for the surgery...it was required that I learn about nutrition and healthy eating.  I thought I could read a food label before but, as bad luck would have it, I didn't know the first thing about it.  I eat lean meat and chicken now.  I usually need a sauce of some kind to allow me to eat meat but you can make a sauce out of broth instead of cream and butter.  Who knew?!?  Bread, spongy foods like cake, and tortillas are next to impossible to eat.  My exercise routine has stayed in place.  My choice of surgery gave me the push that I needed but it wasn't the be all, end all.  Ice cream and milk shakes go down really easy so I have to make a conscious decision to avoid them. 

Does the surgery help?  Absolutely.  Did I take the easy way out?  Maybe.  Would I do it again?  In a heartbeat.

The part where I felt ugly and unattractive? That part was in my head!  No one was going around calling me a fatty or behemoth or big as a house.  My misery was of my own making because that's what I imagined they really meant when they said "Oh, you're looking good today."  I didn't like the way I looked and I projected it on to EVERYONE.

People have preferences.  It's ok.  I totally, completely, absolutely adore red-heads with freckles but not being quite as fond of blondes doesn't make me a bad person.  The man I'm with?  Yeah, he's blonde but I made an exception for him!  There's perfectly valid reasons for liking a lean, toned body.  And a few more for liking a 'hoss kind of guy' as my brother used to say to describe my boyfriends.  And it's ok if those perfectly valid reasons start and end with 'cause that's what I like!

It's all in who is doing the looking.

(My $.02 turned into a buck-fifty.)

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RE: Are BDSMers better at size acceptance? - 5/24/2009 7:22:03 AM   
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A question for you though, you say you're a big girl, always have and always will be, and then profess to having body image issues and fears about what people think. Why wouldn't that motivate you to lose weight? If it's something that emotionally limits you from doing something you'd like to do, then I would imagine that it's manifesting itself in other areas of your life as well, no?


SlaveBlutarsky....  i would like to clarify one thing...

i am not unhappy with my body and I do not have body image issues... as a matter of fact i have lost 70 lbs in the last year and a half... doubtful i will lose much more at my age. I am a VERY healthy fat girl with no health issues - none... and even the docs say so... i do move like someone a lot smaller then me and it has not limited me in how i play or in my life - i actually work a fairly physically demanding job.

That is not what gives me pause... it's the attitude i saw here. i have no doubts i can pretty much do anything a barbie can - and probably have (you'd be surprised!) but my Master does not subject me to humiliation except as punishment and i would not like to feel it someplace i was going to have fun.

Thanks for the encouraging words and PMs. . i can say that i feel less worried than i was and my Master also thanks all of you that have shared your experience with me.

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