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RE: What will the world be like in the next 50 year or ... - 5/15/2009 7:11:57 AM

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for kittin:

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edited to add: Now i remember why i took a break from Poli threads...

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RE: What will the world be like in the next 50 year or ... - 5/15/2009 7:12:37 AM

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It seems logical that the West will be subject to Shariah law once the majority becomes Muslim.

Can you substantiate this claim? I think most Muslims would rather not live under Shariah law.

I cannot believe you just said that. I'm almost offended, on their behalf, you're a hypocrite. Now you've started speaking on behalf of the muslims, and pulling down one of the foundations of their religion?
Have you never thought that what people know, people usually prefer, speaking of xenophobia.
Do you know that when we western people believe circumcision of women in africa are disgusting, many women in africa actually SUPPORT it because they believe it has a medical value.
You cannot speak on behalf of muslims of what they like about their religion and what they do not like.

But back to what I was saying, 18% of the muslims in denmark want shariah law to be implemented and that's a very recent study.

And to quote "In the Muslim world, on the other hand, the reputation of Shariah has undergone an extraordinary revival in recent years. A century ago, forward-looking Muslims thought of Shariah as outdated, in need of reform or maybe abandonment. Today, 66 percent of Egyptians, 60 percent of Pakistanis and 54 percent of Jordanians say that Shariah should be the only source of legislation in their countries" (source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/16/magazine/16Shariah-t.html?_r=1 )

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RE: What will the world be like in the next 50 year or ... - 5/15/2009 7:13:24 AM

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But you immediately went on the attack, and brought part of your "posse" along.
Hey Firm...if you are calling me a part of a "posse" I will tell you i find that highly offensive and ask that you rethink your comment.

I don't specify anyone in particular, as I normally assume that they will self-identify.

I'd still respectfully request an answer to my last question.

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i said IF...did i not?

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RE: What will the world be like in the next 50 year or ... - 5/15/2009 7:18:05 AM

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RE: What will the world be like in the next 50 year or ... - 5/15/2009 7:19:38 AM

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But you immediately went on the attack, and brought part of your "posse" along.
Hey Firm...if you are calling me a part of a "posse" I will tell you i find that highly offensive and ask that you rethink your comment.

I don't specify anyone in particular, as I normally assume that they will self-identify.

I'd still respectfully request an answer to my last question.

Firm

i said IF...did i not?

And i should "respectfully" answer a question of yours when you disrespect me and/or the others here you called a posse?

Interesting. You seem to find the concept of "posse" insulting, and assume that I am referring to you.

Deflection? Or projection? You have a problem addressing the question?

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RE: What will the world be like in the next 50 year or ... - 5/15/2009 7:21:18 AM

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Ok, first thing - children, stop fighting.

Second thing - I saw no substantiation, no sources and no reliable facts in that video

Third thing - The message I took away from that video was "integrate or die". I doubt that was the intent.

Fourth thing - To whoever it was that said "they" predicted dwindling resources and an ice age 50 years ago: There's evidence that we've passed the point of Peak Oil, meaning there's less than 50% left under the earth. I don't equate that with "in abundance". An ice age normally takes millenia to run its course. Without a time machine, you really can't say there isn't one coming.

Last thing - Butterfly: Thanks for posting that video. It gave me a good laugh.

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RE: What will the world be like in the next 50 year or ... - 5/15/2009 7:31:40 AM

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It seems logical that the West will be subject to Shariah law once the majority becomes Muslim.

Can you substantiate this claim? I think most Muslims would rather not live under Shariah law.

Now you've started speaking on behalf of the muslims, and pulling down one of the foundations of their religion?

Learn to read.

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RE: What will the world be like in the next 50 year or ... - 5/15/2009 7:34:05 AM

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for kittin:

Thanks, tulip - (what happened to your profile? It seems to have disappeared :-( ).

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RE: What will the world be like in the next 50 year or ... - 5/15/2009 7:56:49 AM

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"this is a call to action"

Now really...what is that statement meant to do other than to try to incite fear/hatred?

As Sanity pointed out, this is a call to action for Christians, and made for a Christian audience.

The "call to action" is a religious call to action and faith, not a call to kill all Muslims.

Firm

action and faith to accomplish...what?

Since I don't believe you are going to respond ...

Some studies show that at Islam's current rate of growth, in five to seven years, it will be the dominant religion of the world. As believers, we call upon you to join the effort to share the gospel message with a changing world. This is a call to action.

This is only "xenophobic" and "hate-filled" if you believe Christianity to be something evil, to be extinguished.

Is this what you mean?

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RE: What will the world be like in the next 50 year or ... - 5/15/2009 8:07:44 AM

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"What will the world be like in the next 50 years or less?"

I wouldn’t even try to take a guess. You never know when life will decide to strike a balance; major volcano erupts on/near Iceland, causing a tsunami; continental ice sheet falls into the ocean; causing something bigger then a tsunami; and the list goes on…

If we’re taking bets as to what religion will eventually dominate all others; my bet is on life.

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RE: What will the world be like in the next 50 year or ... - 5/15/2009 8:53:36 AM

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It's up to you to justify starting this hateful and fear mongering thread.

Hmmmm,

Since you, boi, and holly all think it's "hateful" would you mind sharing your reasoning that leads you to that conclusion?

Firm

For me it was the attitude that the muslims were somehow trying to take over the world and how terrible it is and we have to stop it or our children are doomed. I am also very leary of videos that throw out all these "facts" but never mention where they came from, but maybe I missed that part. It was early and I hadn't had any coffee yet.

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RE: What will the world be like in the next 50 year or ... - 5/15/2009 8:58:16 AM

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On a background of neo-oriental music we hear a sepulcral voice informing us that the Muslims are taking over the world. We see the map of Europe gradually darken in tint as the frightening statistics are enumerated. We are never told why it is a bad thing that Muslims have children. Nor are we informed why it requires any kind of action: it's all in the subtle implications that Muslim=scary/bad/evil. These are the same tactics neo-Nazis use. We hear of a 'meeting of 24 Islamic organisations that was held in Chicago in order to plan on 'evangelising' America (note: no details, no names, no documents). We are informed that the Muslims are taking over the world because they have more children than 'us'. The video makes an amalgamation between the Muslims and the Hispanic populations in America: if that's not blatant xenophobia, I don't know what is. After all, everybody knows that Mexican immigants worship Allah, right ? And it ends with "This is a call for action." What action, precisely?

You know, KY, you ask why it's hateful: what I find frighetning is that you have to ask in the first place. To me, and quite a lot of others, it's pretty fucking obvious.

Aww, now that was the only part I liked. Then next time my neighbor pisses and moans about the mexicans, I'm going to tell her she should be grateful because according to the video, they are helping us keep an edge over the muslims. Then I can tell her another family of blacks were looking at the house for sale across the street. It's not true, but I enjoy annoying her.

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RE: What will the world be like in the next 50 year or ... - 5/15/2009 9:01:08 AM

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The whole video was an attempt at Xenophobia and hatred....

So hate mongering against Christians is acceptable, while Christians attempting to bring their faith to non-Christians is xenophobic?

And a personal insult proves your point, how, exactly?

Did you listen to the video? Do you dispute the figures? Which conclusions do you dispute and why?

Firm

No, I don't expect you to actually do anything other than insult and deflect. The attempt to enforce PC thinking in this thread is already overpowering.

You're putting words in my mouth. I haven't stated an opinion on anything except your attitude.

I have no proof that the figures are accurate, so I don't accept them. Show me sources and I'll accept them. until then, they're words on a script and nothing more. I've stated my conclusions in my first post: to me, it sends the message "integrate or die", which I find to be a very positive message.

I accept, however, that the tone was one of xenophobia and hatemongering. If you want an explanation of why, I suggest you ask the film makers, or stop being inflammatory for long enough to interpret the video properly instead of spoiling for a fight based on nothing but insubstantiated claims on a VERY biased video.

FYI, I am not christian and haven't been for many years. I find the video's INTENT to be beneath contempt. I find the message, however unintentionally, to be one of hope.

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RE: What will the world be like in the next 50 year or ... - 5/15/2009 9:01:46 AM

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50 years ago they predicted scarcity of resources that are now in abundance. They also predicted an ice age. Sometimes predictions have to be revised.

Ice age?

Got any proof that "they" said those things 50 yrs ago"

And who were "they"?

The vid? trash....The vid makers?trash....

Can't say what they were predicting 50 years ago, but 35-40 years ago they kept saying we were heading into another ice age. I am surprised you don't remember that.

As to who was saying it

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,944914,00.html

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RE: What will the world be like in the next 50 year or ... - 5/15/2009 9:03:02 AM

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Some studies show that at Islam's current rate of growth, in five to seven years, it will be the dominant religion of the world. As believers, we call upon you to join the effort to share the gospel message with a changing world. This is a call to action.

This is only "xenophobic" and "hate-filled" if you believe Christianity to be something evil, to be extinguished.

Is this what you mean?

Firm

Having read through all this and having watched the video twice, I honestly can't believe you can defend this video with a straight face.

It is a blatant attempt to create an us-against-them scenario.

"Europe as we know it will CEASE to exist" (the narrator's emphasis, not mine).

"In 1970 the U.S. had 100,000 Muslims, in 2008 there were over NINE MILLION" (again, the speaker's emphasis).

We dun better do sumthin' about them damn Mooslums before they take over the world.

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RE: What will the world be like in the next 50 year or ... - 5/15/2009 9:20:00 AM

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Some studies show that at Islam's current rate of growth, in five to seven years, it will be the dominant religion of the world. As believers, we call upon you to join the effort to share the gospel message with a changing world. This is a call to action.

This is only "xenophobic" and "hate-filled" if you believe Christianity to be something evil, to be extinguished.

Is this what you mean?

Firm

Having read through all this and having watched the video twice, I honestly can't believe you can defend this video with a straight face.

It is a blatant attempt to create an us-against-them scenario.

"Europe as we know it will CEASE to exist" (the narrator's emphasis, not mine).

"In 1970 the U.S. had 100,000 Muslims, in 2008 there were over NINE MILLION" (again, the speaker's emphasis).

We dun better do sumthin' about them damn Mooslums before they take over the world.

It's particularly ironic, because Islam recognises Jesus as a prophet, and worships the same God as the Christian and the Jews - just in a slightly different form. It would be more productive to emphasise the similarities between the three Abrahamic faiths, rather than point at what divides them, but I suppose that this wouldn't fit the political agenda of those that are trying to create the fear that will rally the crowds behind them. Incidentally, Muslim extremists or Christian extemists, it doesn't matter... they all use the very same techniques of demonising the others

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RE: What will the world be like in the next 50 year or ... - 5/15/2009 9:38:54 AM

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I saw the video as blatant propaganda, designed to incite fear and animosity.

Just kind of wondering how one would share the gospel with those who don't accept parts of it.

Yes Islam is spreading, and it's spreading faster than any other major religion, but it's also worth considering that it's also diversifying too.

But then again so many things can happen in 50 years that it's not really worth getting all that upset about.

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RE: What will the world be like in the next 50 year or ... - 5/15/2009 9:41:41 AM

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I listened.

Perhaps you need to read what i wrote? If you believe that the "call to action" is to spread the gospel, you are very much mistaken. Hatred and fear hidden behind religion remains hatred and fear.

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RE: What will the world be like in the next 50 year or ... - 5/15/2009 9:43:55 AM

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Some studies show that at Islam's current rate of growth, in five to seven years, it will be the dominant religion of the world. As believers, we call upon you to join the effort to share the gospel message with a changing world. This is a call to action.

This is only "xenophobic" and "hate-filled" if you believe Christianity to be something evil, to be extinguished.

Is this what you mean?

Firm

Having read through all this and having watched the video twice, I honestly can't believe you can defend this video with a straight face.

It is a blatant attempt to create an us-against-them scenario.

"Europe as we know it will CEASE to exist" (the narrator's emphasis, not mine).

"In 1970 the U.S. had 100,000 Muslims, in 2008 there were over NINE MILLION" (again, the speaker's emphasis).

We dun better do sumthin' about them damn Mooslums before they take over the world.

That's your interpretation.

Are the facts accurate? Are you claiming that the numbers that they use are inaccurate? If so, on what do you base your claim?

Firm

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RE: What will the world be like in the next 50 year or ... - 5/15/2009 9:44:04 AM

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I watched the video, and my honest reaction was: So what? So the world is changing, that happens, so Islam looks to being the world's dominant religion, so what?

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