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ORIGINAL: beargonewild

In that case.....seeing that Christ spent much of his adult life living and eating and sleeping among his 12 disciples, it does raise a question regarding his sexuality in that frame of reference.

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ORIGINAL: wolfcannon
then by your logic i should know the entire bible by heart english, hebrew and greek. sorry i dont, im a human being not a robot. actually i made that refernce to note i do check the 1611 king james against the greek and hebrew. im sorry you have a narrow view of life.

On the contrary.  I have a very open view of life.
I do not 'expect' that people to be able to recite the bible back to front in all languages.  I do prefere to hold discussions with people who know what they are talking about.  Otherwise it becomes incredibly difficult to communicate/discuss.  For example, you did not get the reference about Jesus.
 
It is with regret you felt the need to attempt to insult me with a passive nature.  I hold no ill will.  Only the desire for honestly.
 
the.dark.

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ORIGINAL: beargonewild

In that case.....seeing that Christ spent much of his adult life living and eating and sleeping among his 12 disciples, it does raise a question regarding his sexuality in that frame of reference.

Doesn't really raise a question at all. I spent a significant part of my adult life eating and sleeping with the other 20-30 men who were in my platoon, and never thought that raised any questions about my sexuality. ;)

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well as far as i know we live in a Majority Rules goverment. sorry. the Majority of the ppl set the rules and laws.d

...as others have pointed out you live in a republic, not a democracy. However, given your staunch support for the democratic will of the people i'm sure you consider GWB's presidency illegal as Al Gore won the popular vote......

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ORIGINAL: beargonewild

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ORIGINAL: Truthiness

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ORIGINAL: beargonewild

In that case.....seeing that Christ spent much of his adult life living and eating and sleeping among his 12 disciples, it does raise a question regarding his sexuality in that frame of reference.

Doesn't really raise a question at all. I spent a significant part of my adult life eating and sleeping with the other 20-30 men who were in my platoon, and never thought that raised any questions about my sexuality. ;)

In reality, no it doesn't raise a question. My reasoning for posting that in reply to wolfcannon is to reflect an idiocy I read in his post.

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ORIGINAL: Truthiness

Well out of many translations I've seen for Romans 1:26-28, (including my own, though my knowledge of Greek is rather weak...been concentrating on Hebrew first) I've yet to see one that wasn't rather clear that same sex acts were being referred to.

διὰ τοῦτο παρέδωκεν αὐτοὺς ὁ θεὸς εἰς πάθη ἀτιμίας, αἵ τε γὰρ θήλειαι αὐτῶν μετήλλαξαν τὴν φυσικὴν χρῆσιν εἰς τὴν παρὰ φύσιν

ὁμοίως τε καὶ οἱ ἄρσενες ἀφέντες τὴν φυσικὴν χρῆσιν τῆς θηλείας ἐξεκαύθησαν ἐν τῇ ὀρέξει αὐτῶν εἰς ἀλλήλους, ἄρσενες ἐν ἄρσεσιν τὴν ἀσχημοσύνην κατεργαζόμενοι καὶ τὴν ἀντιμισθίαν ἣν ἔδει τῆς πλάνης αὐτῶν ἐν ἑαυτοῖς ἀπολαμβάνοντες.

Young's Literal translation (I've run into occasional disagreements with his translations but mainly in the OT) for instance translates that as -

26Because of this did God give them up to dishonourable affections, for even their females did change the natural use into that against nature;

27and in like manner also the males having left the natural use of the female, did burn in their longing toward one another; males with males working shame, and the recompense of their error that was fit, in themselves receiving.

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I have been reading this thread since it began (thank god, otherwise I would never have the time to get caught up). I just have one comment to make to subrob (I think that's whomade the point) about the claim that gays have exactly the same right to marry as straights and that they want special rights. While you are 100% correct that gays have exactly the same right to marry members of the opposite sex if they so choose, in juridsictions where gay marriage is allowed, straights have exactly the same right to marry members of the same sex as do gays, so nobody has a special right, it simply expands the definition of the existing right, and extends the newly expanded right to everybody, gay or straight.

Point taken

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ORIGINAL: wolfcannon

there was no idiocy in my post. yes the Lord Jesus spent 3 yrs in the company of 12 men, yet he died a virgin. i believe this, i accept this as fact. i find no reason for you to raise this question.

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there was no idiocy in my post. yes the Lord Jesus spent 3 yrs in the company of 12 men, yet he died a virgin. i believe this, i accept this as fact. i find no reason for you to raise this question.

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there was no idiocy in my post. yes the Lord Jesus spent 3 yrs in the company of 12 men, yet he died a virgin. i believe this, i accept this as fact. i find no reason for you to raise this question.

Hmmm...not even over the fact that the bible is a compilation of stories, told over a span of several hundred years and over the fact that each section was written by a different person from their own point of view and knowing that a person's point of view is always biased from their own perspective? Interesting.

 
Even if the bible is a collection of fiction - I have never seen one reference to Jesus' virginal status.  Other than he was a good boy and didn't succumb to temptation.  But there really isn't a defintion of temptation other than 'depraved' acts.  So ok, he might not have been into handcuffs and camels.  But Mary certainly rocked his world.
 
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then by you logic we shouldnt be able to vote for anything at all. and yet we do, funny seems to me we live in a democracy. but yet we also live in a republic. so yes it is both. we vote on issues, we vote on presidential elections, we vote to elect congressmen and senators. gee i see alot of voting on local issues in my home state.

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My dear sweet bearhuggableone
 
Even if the bible is a collection of fiction - I have never seen one reference to Jesus' virginal status.  Other than he was a good boy and didn't succumb to temptation.  But there really isn't a defintion of temptation other than 'depraved' acts.  So ok, he might not have been into handcuffs and camels.  But Mary certainly rocked his world.
 
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In that case.....seeing that Christ spent much of his adult life living and eating and sleeping among his 12 disciples, it does raise a question regarding his sexuality in that frame of reference.

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ORIGINAL: purepleasure

not to push the issue, but according to your profile, you're a post-op male to female.  I'd say you were not born this way, but that you CHOSE to be female, and were born a male trapped in a female's body.

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ORIGINAL: DreamGoddess666
You clearly know nothing about trans sexuality then. I was born with THAT, too. I was born a woman, but with a physical birth defect that gave me icky guy parts that didn't belong. I had the birth defect fixed so that my body matched my brain. Again, no choice there. The only choice I had was whether to get it fixed or live a lie for the rest of my life.

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By the way, using the "love it or leave it" mentality pretty much voids anything else you might have to say because it's a critical flaw in debate. You just don't understand anything about the United States if you think that way.

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ORIGINAL: DreamGoddess666

Laws that take away rights from convicted felons are PUNISHMENTS for people who HURT INNOCENT PEOPLE. It's reactionary and thus just.

As for the law prohibiting people not born in the United States from becoming President, guess what? I'm against that law and fully believe it should be changed.

Third, the federal government overturned ALL the sodomy laws a few years back. None of them are valid anymore, and by the Constitution, can't be enforced.

Fourth, it's not a "lifestyle choice". I didn't choose to be this way, I was BORN this way. You people want to keep pushing the choice thing, but you're wrong. Personal experience proves that fact. I didn't make any choice in this. I'm attracted to women, not men, period, I didn't chose it, I was born that way.

All of this still doesn't rebuke the fact that, majority belief or no, being for heterosexual marriage and against gay marriage is oppression and bigotry by definition.

By the way, using the "love it or leave it" mentality pretty much voids anything else you might have to say because it's a critical flaw in debate. You just don't understand anything about the United States if you think that way.

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not to push the issue, but according to your profile, you're a post-op male to female.  I'd say you were not born this way, but that you CHOSE to be female, and were born a male trapped in a female's body.

You clearly know nothing about transsexuality then. I was born with THAT, too. I was born a woman, but with a physical birth defect that gave me icky guy parts that didn't belong. I had the birth defect fixed so that my body matched my brain. Again, no choice there. The only choice I had was whether to get it fixed or live a lie for the rest of my life.

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ORIGINAL: Bella1965

G'evening all:

Correction. You were born male, not female. It's not a birth defect. It's a mental disorder. It's called "Gender Dysphoria". Your statement above is contradictory to your profile which states post-op male to female. So clearly, it's not fixed.

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ORIGINAL: beargonewild

Technically it is not a birth defect per se,
If abnormalities of cell division occur, a fetus with mosaicism may result. The baby may have both cells with 46 XY chromosomes and cells with 46 XX chromosomes. This condition has been called hermaphroditism (after the greek god Hermes and goddes Aphrodite) and it is one of many causes of intersex. Because both male (46-XY) and female (46-XX) cells exist within the same fetus, both male and female structures develop. Typically, the penis is not completely virilized (hypospadias). One or both testes may not be palpable or they may be palpable, but undescended. Whenever you see an infant with both hypospadias and an undescended testis (cryptorchidism), you must consider the possibility of intersex. Internally, Müllerian structures develop (uterus, oviducts, vagina). Gonadal tissue of both genders is present in various patterns: a testis on one side and an ovary on the other, a testis on one side and an ovo-testis (gonad containing both ovary and testis) on the other, or an ovary on one side and an ovo-testis on the other.     source" http://www.meddean.luc.edu/lumen/MedEd/urology/hrmphdt.htm

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ORIGINAL: beargonewild

In that case.....seeing that Christ spent much of his adult life living and eating and sleeping among his 12 disciples, it does raise a question regarding his sexuality in that frame of reference.

Doesn't really raise a question at all. I spent a significant part of my adult life eating and sleeping with the other 20-30 men who were in my platoon, and never thought that raised any questions about my sexuality. ;)