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ORIGINAL: wolfcannon
Darcyandthedark: No jesus himself did not comment on the issue of homosexuality, GOD already did. and who is God why is he not Jesus and another part is the Holy Ghost? so no one is ignoring scripture.

im sorry if i seem confrontational, which i am not, i am mearly pointing out facts.

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ORIGINAL: wolfcannon

may i make an observation here. the ppl of california, reinterate (PEOPLE) voted. one of the most fundemental rights of an AMERICAN citizen to do. a call to vote on a issue was put before the whole of the state of california, yes? regardless of christian (which i am) or non christian, all sides voted. the issue was decided by VOTING. i saw nothing but the constitution at work with this.

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
So, you're cool if the people vote and reinstate slavery or strip the woman's right to vote? I mean, I know that violates United States Constitutional law and everything, but a vote is a vote right? If it's okay that Prop 8 violates Constitutional law, then it's okay if another Prop violates another law, right? Where's your line and what happens when it's crossed?

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

By your logic, any law that prohibits someone from having the same rights and privileges as the majority of the people is bigoted.

The problem with this logic is that there are laws that prohibit various rights to convicted felons, and force restrictions on other convicted criminals, such as the laws that require sex offenders to register where they live.

There is also a law that prohibits people who were not born American citizens from becoming president.

Now while I have nothing against gay marriage, there is a simple fact that you have not considered.

In a republic, such as the United States, (the US is NOT a democracy) the majority of people elect representatives to government office to make laws for the MAJORITY of the citizens.  Whether you like it or not, majority rules, and the majority of the citizens in the United States still have problems with gay and lesbian marriage.

While there is widespread acceptance of the lifestyle choice, there are still limits to how far that acceptance will go. 

Finally, be thankful that the 'sodomy' laws are not being enforced,  since those laws prohibit any sex act other than vaginal penetration between men and women. 

By the way, those laws are still used when prosecuting sex related crimes.

So quit pissing and moaning and advocating armed violence against the government, get over yourself and wait until the rest of the country is more tolerant... or you can move to a country that allows gay and lesbian marriage.

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

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ORIGINAL: Truthiness

Romans 1 was pretty critical of homosexuality too and explains it's origin. As a friend of mine who extensively studied Greek and Hebrew translated it, using his own version of "Snark" to translate to, it basicly says "If you turn away from God he will make you gay and kill you".

Just to add, and not wanting to edit.
I have no idea what snark is, but I a going to assume until you correct me, that you are meaning a translating tool?
Didn't your teachers ever tell you to never use an online translator to translate anything?  Truthfully, go use any translator if you are multi lingual in any way and find out.
 
And I have to say, if the biblical scholars for hundreds of years cannot and could not translate the bible correctly into english or any other language, what possibility has a computer translator?
 
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ORIGINAL: DreamGoddess666

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

By your logic, any law that prohibits someone from having the same rights and privileges as the majority of the people is bigoted.

The problem with this logic is that there are laws that prohibit various rights to convicted felons, and force restrictions on other convicted criminals, such as the laws that require sex offenders to register where they live.

There is also a law that prohibits people who were not born American citizens from becoming president.

Now while I have nothing against gay marriage, there is a simple fact that you have not considered.

In a republic, such as the United States, (the US is NOT a democracy) the majority of people elect representatives to government office to make laws for the MAJORITY of the citizens.  Whether you like it or not, majority rules, and the majority of the citizens in the United States still have problems with gay and lesbian marriage.

While there is widespread acceptance of the lifestyle choice, there are still limits to how far that acceptance will go. 

Finally, be thankful that the 'sodomy' laws are not being enforced,  since those laws prohibit any sex act other than vaginal penetration between men and women. 

By the way, those laws are still used when prosecuting sex related crimes.

So quit pissing and moaning and advocating armed violence against the government, get over yourself and wait until the rest of the country is more tolerant... or you can move to a country that allows gay and lesbian marriage.

Laws that take away rights from convicted felons are PUNISHMENTS for people who HURT INNOCENT PEOPLE. It's reactionary and thus just.

As for the law prohibiting people not born in the United States from becoming President, guess what? I'm against that law and fully believe it should be changed.

Third, the federal government overturned ALL the sodomy laws a few years back. None of them are valid anymore, and by the Constitution, can't be enforced.

Fourth, it's not a "lifestyle choice". I didn't choose to be this way, I was BORN this way. You people want to keep pushing the choice thing, but you're wrong. Personal experience proves that fact. I didn't make any choice in this. I'm attracted to women, not men, period, I didn't chose it, I was born that way.

All of this still doesn't rebuke the fact that, majority belief or no, being for heterosexual marriage and against gay marriage is oppression and bigotry by definition.

By the way, using the "love it or leave it" mentality pretty much voids anything else you might have to say because it's a critical flaw in debate. You just don't understand anything about the United States if you think that way.

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ORIGINAL: wolfcannon

yes i know that jesus was a jew and that means what? so he was a carpenter? okay what is the point? actually if you read the Old Testament it is in Leviticus 20:13 if man also lie with mankind, as with he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed and abmination; the shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." but i am not advocating this because i haves sinned and have fallen far short of perfection, as all christians know only one person born of woman was perfect, his name is Jesus. and actually the King James Bible 1611 edition (the only bible i read) was put up against the Dead Sea Scrolls found in Isreal and found to 95% accurate. and yes i have at home the concordance with the original hebrew and greek alongside the English. but i am without it im my truck.

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Prop 8 bans gay relationships from marriage - yes? 

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It violates Constitutional Law - yes?

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Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.

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ORIGINAL: wolfcannon

No jesus himself did not comment on the issue of homosexuality, GOD already did. and who is God why is he not Jesus and another part is the Holy Ghost? so no one is ignoring scripture.

im sorry if i seem confrontational, which i am not, i am mearly pointing out facts.

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ORIGINAL: Truthiness
Nope...snark is kind of a witty/satirical tone sometimes with a touch of sarcasm. (Snarky being the adjective).

This was a University Professor of varioius language arts...he used "Snark" because he was trying to be humorous with the translation when he said that Romans 1 says "If you turn away from God he will turn you gay and kill you."

Well I'll be - 'trying' being the operative word I guess.

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ORIGINAL: DreamGoddess666

By the way, using the "love it or leave it" mentality pretty much voids anything else you might have to say because it's a critical flaw in debate. You just don't understand anything about the United States if you think that way.

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]All of this still doesn't rebuke the fact that, majority belief or no, being for heterosexual marriage and against gay marriage is oppression and bigotry by definition.

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ORIGINAL: wolfcannon

may i make an observation here. the ppl of california, reinterate (PEOPLE) voted. one of the most fundemental rights of an AMERICAN citizen to do. a call to vote on a issue was put before the whole of the state of california, yes? regardless of christian (which i am) or non christian, all sides voted. the issue was decided by VOTING. i saw nothing but the constitution at work with this.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

In a republic, such as the United States, (the US is NOT a democracy)

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Finally, be thankful that the 'sodomy' laws are not being enforced,  since those laws prohibit any sex act other than vaginal penetration between men and women. 

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ORIGINAL: wolfcannon
yes i know that jesus was a jew and that means what? so he was a carpenter? okay what is the point? actually if you read the Old Testament it is in Leviticus 20:13 if man also lie with mankind, as with he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed and abmination; the shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." but i am not advocating this because i haves sinned and have fallen far short of perfection, as all christians know only one person born of woman was perfect, his name is Jesus. and actually the King James Bible 1611 edition (the only bible i read) was put up against the Dead Sea Scrolls found in Isreal and found to 95% accurate. and yes i have at home the concordance with the original hebrew and greek alongside the English. but i am without it im my truck.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

In a republic, such as the United States, (the US is NOT a democracy)

Wait a minute, does that make the Democratic party invalid ?  I thought anywhere they hold a free vote was a democracy.