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RE: Service vs. favours - 6/18/2009 6:36:32 PM   
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Thanks for elaborating.

I sense you are drawn to service for multiple reasons.

I sense only a small portion of your desire to be of service comes from masochism. It is this component that makes one want to feel like a servant or to be of a subordinate status, or to wish for mental/emotional masochism.

If you dress up as a butler to serve, you will find some gratification for the pageantry in it. This type of gratification is most visible in those who like to dress as a maid for service. It seems you could do without it but if you did dress up, it would increase your overall gratification.

While the social aspect of the relationship is important to you, it is unclear to me how much your social component drives acts of service as gestures of fondness. I expect the importance of this component varies with the dynamic and chemistry.

It seems a good bit of your desire for service comes from ego (I don't intend any negative connotations with this word) related drives; recognition and explicit appreciation for your service are important to you.

I sense the greatest component for your desire to serve is for sake of spirituality. You seem spiritual and some of your references to service speak of a spiritual, meditative gratification during acts of service.

You would be most compatible with a domme who gives you the opportunity to serve and extends to you appreciation and acceptance. Dressing up would only add to your experience.

Some might argue that if a domme wants to treat you like scum when you serve her then you should serve according to how she wants to be served. In my opinion, such a domme is incompatible with you and not choosing to serve her does not make you a deficient sub--you should instead serve a domme whose interest in service is consistent with your interest in service. This principle of compatibility and not being deficient also applies to those who want to serve where they are treated harshly.

That's my take.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Service vs. favours - 6/18/2009 6:41:58 PM   
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Thank you much, kind Sea. May you never become a raging tempest!

So yes... there are some decent service orientated subs out there and not ones looking to fulfill some sort of fetish aside from Servitude. Although I am shocked to hear from other Dommes that there is trickery afoot.


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RE: Service vs. favours - 6/18/2009 6:52:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic
So yes... there are some decent service orientated subs out there and not ones looking to fulfill some sort of fetish aside from Servitude.


A question to ask then is what makes for a decent service sub. Care to take a shot? ;-)

Masochism is what it is, and subs respond to service in whatever way they are wired. It is not wrong for a sub to provide service for sake of masochism.

I think it is more a question of compatibility and personality (whether one is focused only on own needs, or also on needs of partner).

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Service vs. favours - 6/18/2009 8:12:21 PM   
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I will be glad to take a shot at this question. My answers are always open to critique:

A decent service sub is very attentive to details, both large and small. They are empathetic and intuitive to the needs and wants of the Dominant. However preemptive they attempt to be they never step on toes and they never assume. A decent service sub will not waste energy, is extremely efficient and willing to learn for the sake of bettering their service to the Dominant.

That is all I can think of right at this moment. I am sure there are things I am missing from my little exercise.

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RE: Service vs. favours - 6/19/2009 6:50:22 AM   
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sea, I think you make some really great points here! It's not just the activities, but the hmm style of domination which must allow for a reasonable area of compatibility. However, even in a casual service agreement, in which the submissive is treated harshly, I still think it is wise to connect on a personal level before asking to be allowed to enter her home. A submissive who asks to do dishes/housework/sexual service before meeting in person is going to be denied the vast majority of the time. Being a little patient, and waiting to offer those things until after the initial meeting,if she is local, or after she brings up the possibility of you visiting, if not, will help her to feel more safe and comfortable. Another option is to ask if there is a way you can be useful/helpful/of service in a public venue - perhaps shopping, volunteering beside her for an organisation she supports, or the like.

pyroaquatic, I think that the butler uniform is likely to be well-received, especially compared to working in the nude or cross-dressing. I'd suggest you bring it up the topic of service in abstract, rather than as a specific offer, and mention it as a preference. For example, "Ma'am (or her choice of honourific), service is very important to me within the context of a relationship. It really feeds my submission to be useful to the woman I care about, and I really feel it helps me come to know her better, not just on the mundane level of her routine, but who she is as a person. I've spent some time researching the history of service, and thinking about the mindset involved. I was able to find a butler's uniform, and would treasure the opportunity of wearing it while serving, but it is by no means required." Of course, you'll have your own words, and you seem to be very articulate, and to be coming to service with a wonderful attitude/perspective! I'm sure you'll be able to find a wonderful lady who appreciates what you have to offer, without needing to pay for it, but you may need to both take the initiative and be patient in contacting them.

AAkasha, I don't think that's universal in service submission, but the "Ma'am, please let me do your housework/dishes/serve you sexually while I am naked or cross-dressed, and treat me like a lowly worm so I can go home and masturbate" attitude is very common among male subs!

My Master flew out of state this morning to visit family. He'd initially planned to take public transportation to the airport, rather than leaving his car in long term parking. I offered to give him a ride, and woke up at 4 this morning to do so. It did give me a bit of a submissive rush/glow to feel genuinely useful/helpful to him, just as when I've done some housework/etc. for him, but he wasn't actively playing with me, ordering me around, and I certainly didn't make it a tit-for-tat thing. I've done similar things for friends, but emotionally, it feels very different to do so for someone I feel submissive toward! When I had been looking for a partner, and was open to a submissive, I wanted him to be coming to it from a similar place to myself in my current relationship, or to pyroaquatic. While I agree with sea that there's nothing intrinsically wrong with a man doing service out of masochistic motivations instead, it leaves me cold. Other dominant women may actually enjoy that aspect. I don't necessarily expect a submissive to have completely pure motivations, and don't mind him being stimulated by it, as long as he *also* genuinely likes and cares about me, and we interact sexually and romantically and in D/s terms well. For that matter, I wouldn't have any problem with someone I was dating seriously masturbating while thinking of me or looking at my pictures, and would probably be willing to indulge his service-related kinks to some extent (if I were single, of course). However, I need that connection first!

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RE: Service vs. favours - 6/19/2009 8:07:33 AM   
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I have met men that want things in return, but that is in the "vanilla" lifestyle where they think that they are doing some big favor. Most men I have encountered as subs really are happy to serve and it pleases them that I am pleased. If they offer to help, only naturally am I helping too. If I was not helping, it would be them doing work.

If it was going to be a D/s interaction, that would have been made clear in the beginning anyway and he could have chosen to help or not to help. Some males are happy to help, some males are happy to serve, and it sounds like it went well because you didn't get a stink eye from him.

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RE: Service vs. favours - 6/19/2009 8:09:50 AM   
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I learned so much from this topic! Thanks everyone...

Oh I may seem articulate but I am quite a moron thank you very much. My words make me seem oh so smart but my actions speak otherwise!

We are all jigsaw pieces trying to fit the other. Do not put square pegs in round holes.

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