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RE: Israel says screw you US - 6/15/2009 9:50:10 PM

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Christianity is a fairy tale but judaism is not?

Wow.. now there is a statement based in fact and not influenced by anything other than reality.

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Jesus was a threat to the jews in power. Jesus was no threat to the romans.
And why did the first Christians practice in private for fear of the jews? Read the book of John.

I dont have to read a book that was written in parts by more than one writer, written years after the fact, more than 60 years after his death and years after that. Ever played the game telephone or wonder how your story evolves over time being told by different people? I read the history that talks of the intent of the writer and the political climate of the time.

I can read a nursery ryme and have people tell me it should be my religion. Common sense says otherwise.

Why dont you read the torah and the mishnah and mahriv?

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RE: Israel says screw you US - 6/15/2009 9:56:44 PM

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Perhaps you should stop now. You are getting ridiculous.

John 14:6 Jesus said to him I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me.

Does that sound like Jesus never sais follow me? Perhaps you should stick to the old testament and leave the new testament to the Christians. And please do not try to tell me what my religion says or doesn't say. I will prove you wrong a million times.

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Jesus did not create christianity and he considered himself a jew and his followers kept all the laws of judaism. Matter of fact so do the Messianic gruop and the jews for jesus. They follow the torah the way it is meant and follow the laws of kashruth and sing the hebrew prayers and believe in jesus as savior. Jesus never said follow me and be christian. He wasnt christian.

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RE: Israel says screw you US - 6/15/2009 10:06:23 PM

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     Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. What goes into a man’s mouth does not make him ‘unclean,’ but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him ‘unclean.’”
    Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?”
    He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”
    Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.”
    “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man ‘unclean.’ For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what make a man ‘unclean’; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him ‘unclean.’”
—Matthew 15:10-20, NIV

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RE: Israel says screw you US - 6/15/2009 10:16:23 PM

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Funny that even Christian scholars have disagreements over certain segments of the bible and what it means. So how many different translations of the bible have you studied? The areas that have slightly different translations, did you research those to try and figure out anything on your own? And Jesus said he was changing how much of God's laws?

Now none of this has anything to do with the OP, so maybe I will educate you further. Here is part of the Declaration of Indpendence of the State of Israel, translated:

" ERETZ-ISRAEL [(Hebrew) - the Land of Israel, Palestine] was the birthplace of the Jewish people. Here their spiritual, religious and political identity was shaped. Here they first attained to statehood, created cultural values of national and universal significance and gave to the world the eternal Book of Books. "

It does not say it was given to the Jewish people because of divine right. I have never heard any Jew mention that, and the Rabbi that assisted me in my studies of the Torah and Talmud never eluded to it. The only one's I have ever heard mention it, are Christians that seem to not like the Jewish people very much.

It seems this is an yet another area you need education in.

Here is an easy one for such a great Christian scholar: What was there before the heavens and the earth were created? If you find it, you find life, and if you hate it, then you love death. What is it?

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Perhaps you should stop now. You are getting ridiculous.

John 14:6 Jesus said to him I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me.

Does that sound like Jesus never sais follow me? Perhaps you should stick to the old testament and leave the new testament to the Christians. And please do not try to tell me what my religion says or doesn't say. I will prove you wrong a million times.

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RE: Israel says screw you US - 6/15/2009 10:23:08 PM

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Didn't your last disgusting little email say something about you blocking me?
Why don't you do that, little boy.
I'm sure I don't believe a word you say,

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RE: Israel says screw you US - 6/16/2009 5:40:13 AM

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Yeah I didn't think you could answer.

The answer is wisdom, and it is from Proverbs 8. Read it some time, it may help you.

Proverbs 8: 35-36

35 For whoever finds me finds life
and receives favor from the LORD.
36 But whoever fails to find me harms himself;
all who hate me love death."

Yeah you are blocked on email, but there is entertainment in your posts.

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Didn't your last disgusting little email say something about you blocking me?
Why don't you do that, little boy.
I'm sure I don't believe a word you say,

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RE: Israel says screw you US - 6/16/2009 6:49:53 AM

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Christianity is a fairy tale but judaism is not?

Wow.. now there is a statement based in fact and not influenced by anything other than reality.

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

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Jesus was a threat to the jews in power. Jesus was no threat to the romans.
And why did the first Christians practice in private for fear of the jews? Read the book of John.

I dont have to read a book that was written in parts by more than one writer, written years after the fact, more than 60 years after his death and years after that. Ever played the game telephone or wonder how your story evolves over time being told by different people? I read the history that talks of the intent of the writer and the political climate of the time.

I can read a nursery ryme and have people tell me it should be my religion. Common sense says otherwise.

Why dont you read the torah and the mishnah and mahriv?

I dont quote the bible and use it for a reason for hatred against others. I dont even consider that an accurate hostorical document. I responded to you telling me to read the new testament. But yes, neither is accurate. But the torah is in the original hebrew text and rabbis and students got around and debated the tests and its meaning. Thast where the mishnah and mahriv come from. Theey are interpretations but rabbis and students still debate the meanings in lively intellectual debate. So you quoting scripture doesnt do a hill of beans for me. Its not proof of truth either.

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RE: Israel says screw you US - 6/16/2009 8:31:04 AM

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In any event, your opinion of Jesus has fuck all to do with Israelo-American relations.

I'm glad someone read the topic title ...

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RE: Israel says screw you US - 6/16/2009 12:17:27 PM

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ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1

Perhaps you should stop now. You are getting ridiculous.

John 14:6 Jesus said to him I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me.

Does that sound like Jesus never sais follow me? Perhaps you should stick to the old testament and leave the new testament to the Christians. And please do not try to tell me what my religion says or doesn't say. I will prove you wrong a million times.

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Jesus did not create christianity and he considered himself a jew and his followers kept all the laws of judaism. Matter of fact so do the Messianic gruop and the jews for jesus. They follow the torah the way it is meant and follow the laws of kashruth and sing the hebrew prayers and believe in jesus as savior. Jesus never said follow me and be christian. He wasnt christian.

Well if your a christian, your religion tells you that Jesus died for your sins. It tells you that this was GODS plan. Now your on here whining about who actually killed him. Are you implying that God screwed it up some how? That he didn't want Jesus to die but those rotten Jews/Romans killed him anyway? I am guessing whoever killed him was supposed to do it and I have the faith that it happened the way God wanted it to.

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RE: Israel says screw you US - 6/16/2009 2:55:13 PM

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That is an interesting point, for another topic. I was involved in a debate at Emory about what I called "The Judas Destiny". meaning that whoever killed or betrayed Jesus was bound to do so because it was the will of god. It was a very interesting debate in the beginning, but it spiraled into bickering and such quickly.

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