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Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/26/2009 2:27:10 PM

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Iranian cleric say protesters should be executed

A senior cleric on Friday urged Iran's protest leaders to be punished "without mercy" and said some should face execution — harsh calls that signal a nasty new turn in the regime's crackdown on demonstrators two weeks after its disputed election.

Hard-liners have ordered long sentences and hangings before, and some fear those awaiting trial by a judiciary whose verdicts reflect the will of supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei could face the most severe punishments the Islamic system can dish out.

"Anyone who takes up arms to fight with the people, they are worthy of execution," Ayatollah Ahmed Khatami, a ranking cleric, said in a nationally broadcast sermon at Tehran University.

Khatami said those who disturbed the peace and destroyed public property were "at war with God" and should be "dealt with without mercy."

RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/26/2009 3:10:49 PM

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Not surprising, they hung two teenage boys a few years ago for homosexuality. They hung a teenaged girl for the sin of being a rape victim recently as well. The way they hang people is rather telling too; they don't use the long drop method. They just jerk you up by the neck on a crane. Barbaric, theocratic shit bags IMO.

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/26/2009 3:24:36 PM

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Barbaric, theocratic shit bags IMO.

And yet, sanctimonious westerners still pontificate that people all get the government they deserve, no matter whether they live in a democracy or not *sigh* .

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/26/2009 3:36:42 PM

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sb4u,

No argument from me. Which is exactly why the younger demographic there is fed up with their tyranny. Still, think that turning to murder will quell the demonstrations? Or just inflame the situation?

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/26/2009 3:48:09 PM

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And yet, sanctimonious westerners still pontificate that people all get the government they deserve, no matter whether they live in a democracy or not *sigh* .

Kittin, do you think Westerners have no right to be disgusted with the behavior I mentioned? Are we supposed to just ignore it? I recognize that the current government is a result of the Shah's equally, if not worse brutal governance. I rolled my eyes when the former Shah's son came on television crying and talking about freedom after the young woman was murdered by Iranian militia. His father was a tyrant, and I have no doubt it would have continued that way under his heirs. But two wrongs don't make a right. What's going on in that country is wrong.

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/26/2009 4:30:33 PM

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Barbaric, theocratic shit bags IMO.

And yet, sanctimonious westerners still pontificate that people all get the government they deserve, no matter whether they live in a democracy or not *sigh* .

We could have ended up with a kingdom and not a republic. We ended up choosing a republic. You do get the government you deserve. The Iranian government is pushing back hard against the people. Sometimes harshness brings about capitulation and sometimes it turns one into a hard edged type who no longer cares what punishment the government doles out.

You sound like a mother watching her um get into a fight. You want to rush out to help him. To put your arms around them and protect them. But that wont help them. They might be getting a few punches to the gut but getting punched tends to make you mad. Mad enough to fight back hard. And if that happens they might win. You have to let it play out. You might step in if it starts to get out of hand but otherwise you wait for a conclusion. You can't other peoples battles for them.

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/26/2009 4:50:36 PM

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You have to let it play out. You might step in if it starts to get out of hand but otherwise you wait for a conclusion. You can't other peoples battles for them.

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So which is it, do you step in or stay out, since your statement contradicts itself.

I always have a wry smile at people saying you get the Government you deserve, when its not them facing the tanks and the bullits.

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/26/2009 5:34:29 PM

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I always have a wry smile at people saying you get the Government you deserve, when its not them facing the tanks and the bullits.

Exactly.

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/26/2009 5:41:28 PM

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Sometimes I need a reminder at how blessed I am to be born in a country that will let me speak my mind without being shot down in the street.

My prayers are with them every night. It takes people that refuse to sit down, that refuse to just let things just "be" to change the world. They are changing it right now, this moment, and this is how history will remember them.

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/26/2009 5:50:00 PM

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So which is it, do you step in or stay out, since your statement contradicts itself.

I always have a wry smile at people saying you get the Government you deserve, when its not them facing the tanks and the bullits.

Not my decision to make. That's the president's call.

If there is going to be a change in their government it will be because they changed it. If we change it for them and set up a democracy they would likely simply change it right back to what it is now. They know the current form of government and are used to it.

"You get the government you deserve" Applies whether it's me, you or them in front of the tanks. If you want it bad enough, you will have it.

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/26/2009 5:52:54 PM

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Unless the CIA is involved. In which case you can say 'bye bye' to any semblant of 'government by the people, for the people'. Let's face it: geopolitics are a fucking joke.

http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-cia-index.html

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/26/2009 6:03:51 PM

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"You get the government you deserve" Applies whether it's me, you or them in front of the tanks. If you want it bad enough, you will have it.

Pure nonsense. If only 10% of the population want a change of government, it wont happen in a month of Sundays. No matter how you want to word it.

If perchance 10% of the population seize control, you dont have government, you have dictatorship.

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/26/2009 6:11:42 PM

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Unless the CIA is involved. In which case you can say 'bye bye' to any semblant of 'government by the people, for the people'. Let's face it: geopolitics are a fucking joke.

http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-cia-index.html

We have a long history of meddling in other countries affairs. Most of it is not known by many people. 1954 in Guatemala, South Vietnam in 1963,Dominican Republic in 1965, Chile in 1973, El Salvador 1984.Dictator Chavez is a funny case. The one that got away I guess. Sometimes We simply outright killed them, other times we have simply supplied our chosen candidate with the proper amount of money to win the election. Sometimes The C.I.A. and sometimes some no name company with an address and no phone.

To interfere or not to interfere.

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/26/2009 6:18:07 PM

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No argument from me. Which is exactly why the younger demographic there is fed up with their tyranny. Still, think that turning to murder will quell the demonstrations? Or just inflame the situation

You know Mars, I'm not sure. Brutal actions sometimes quell public discontent and sometimes it doesn't. I think Persian culture is beautiful; their contributions to humanity are unquestionable. It makes me sad that it's been almost destroyed by the current regime. Iran is a country made up of young people; most of them were born after the revolution that overthrew the Shah. Hopefully when the old hardliners are long gone, they will be able to change things.

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/26/2009 6:54:30 PM

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The problem with that theory, Slaveboy, is that the clerics seem determined to to take the rest of the population with them when they go. The 12th Imam shit is something they are very up front about.

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/26/2009 7:03:50 PM

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And yet, sanctimonious westerners still pontificate that people all get the government they deserve, no matter whether they live in a democracy or not *sigh* .

Yep, we do. And then we get proven right in cases like this. The people put up with that shit, they get that shit. Some here may feel our government may be broken....but you don't see it getting away with bullshit like that here, do you?

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/26/2009 7:07:01 PM

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I always have a wry smile at people saying you get the Government you deserve, when its not them facing the tanks and the bullits.

Exactly.

To something like that echoed sentiment, I would answer "Yeah, it's easy for us to say when our forefathers already stood in front of those 'tanks' for us."

That is the point. Our ancestors here KNEW what was right and what was wrong and what they weren't going to tolerate. They fough, bled and died for the rights we have today. Countries like iran point to our country's age when they want to dress down our way of doing things.

Funny thing though...we've come further in 200 years than they have in 2000.

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/26/2009 7:11:31 PM

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Yeah Heretic; but from what I understand about that legend, the 12th Iman has to emerge from hiding with Jesus. Supposedly, the world will then all recognize the truth of Shia Islam and follow suit. I think the fanatics are going to have a hard time convincing a tech savvy, young population that this has occurred. Iranians do face censhorship, but we've seen that it doesn't work. They are connected to the outside world via the internet. Despite what many believe, I see continuing technology as one of the most freeing things in the history of humanity. A tyrant can lie all they want, but we now have information at our fingertips that didn't exist 20 years ago. The world is rapidly changing, and it's exciting.

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/26/2009 7:27:32 PM

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Some here may feel our government may be broken....but you don't see it getting away with bullshit like that here, do you?

You have got to be fucking kidding me

. If people stood up for the bullshit, I can just imagine people like you complaining against the street protests.

If only there were street protests here... or rather, if only there HAD BEEN street protests when they were needed... in the past eight years... but no. This is one of the most apathetic countries in the world.

I guess you do get the government you deserve... in a democracy.

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/26/2009 7:37:52 PM

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Some here may feel our government may be broken....but you don't see it getting away with bullshit like that here, do you?

...Gitmo, threatened to execute people on a standard of proof that wouldn't get past first base on the mainland.
Oh, but that doesn't count 'cos they were only going to execute non-citizens on hearsay evidence?

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