KnightofMists
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It is a rather common notion (held by at least a few, probably many, and possibly most of the denizens of this community) that when a Master takes a slave, it only be done with the intent of making that relationship work over a very long time. "Owning" a slave is akin to traditional matrimony, and should be given at least as much respect (if not more) than that old weather-beaten institution.
no Owning a slave is not akin to traditional matrimony...
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This concept of "ownership" has always baffled me, and when I would present my idea of what ownership would be, I was quite astonished to find the ferocity of the defense of "ownership" as stated above. When I wrote of my desire to own a slave for a very short period of times (from mere hours to a few months) I was told that this was not "ownership" it was merely "borrowing". I was called a RolePlayer (as though that were some sort of insult, though I think that everyone plays many roles, some more seriously than others). I was told I only wanted to own a slave temporarily because I had a fear of commitment, or I hadn't found what I wanted, and that I would never really know the true joys of a Master/slave relationship until I owned a slave with the intent of owning her forever. I was told of the emotional hardships that Masters such as myself had caused on unexpecting newbie slaves.
I am baffled at how defensive you... but I do love how you twist the words to defend your hurt and insulted feelings. You remind me of reporter that only quotes enough context to give the perception he wants and not the complete quotes that wouldn't serve your interests.
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Again, I was baffled by this response. Why did the simple idea that ownership could be ownership even if it was not forever so threaten those who held an opposing notion? Why was it so impossible for them to accept that there could be more than one kind of ownership, and that temporary ownership was as valid as long-term ownership? And then I thought about it from the "slaves" perspective...
No one has ever said your idea threatens anyones idea of ownership, if it does welll, guess they are not very resolved in their own opinion of ownership. It's pretty sad if someone can't listen to the view points of others ideas without getting defensive and twisting words. I personally find it enjoyable to listen to anothers view point. But, I don't expect you to change your view point and I do have labels that suit your concepts of ownership. There my views not yours... so why are you getting so defensive and twisting words?
It's not impossible for people to accept different forms of Ownership. But when other labels are better suited. Like the word "Lease" Your Temporary Ownership is a Lease arrangement. Sure you can do anything you want to the property, but at the end of the Lease, you have nothing but memories. There are those that swear by Leasing, they get something new and shiny all the time, things never get old for them. It makes it much easier for their life to. Lease Ownership is a very viable manner in which to function in this lifestyle. It is very common actually. When my bottom denika comes to me, she is completely at my will. She has established no hard limits and throws yourself right into my desires. Sometimes I play with her, sometimes she is a house servant helping alandra with the chores or even giving me a ride to work. But, this is not slavery in my eyes and I am not her Master. But, I am her owner in the time she is mine to use as property. The primary basis of my relationship with denika is friendship... life long friendship!
So Taggard, I know exactly what kind of concept of ownership you talking about, because I have that type of situation with denika. I also know what Life ownership is all about. I have two slaves in kyra and alandra. I just don't need to try understand you perspective of ownership, I readly do it as well. Since I actually incorporate both aspects of ownership, "Lease" Ownership and "Life" Ownership. I can appriecate the distinctions. I recognize that in "Lease" Ownership it is roleplay of being Master and slave. I can appreciate it as roleplay, because I actually live being the Master of two slaves, alandra and kyra and live the differences. Within the Lease time of denika, I can appreciate that the intensity of ownership is powerful and pure. There is even moments that I forget that it is temporary... for both denika and I this actually a rewarding moment... for it tells us both that the roleplay was exceptional. But at the end, denika leaves the arrangement, it is temporary! We both know it!
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Being "owned" (if it is forever) really isn't the risky proposition that being "owned" (in what I see as the traditional sense) would be. Knowing that you will not be sold, traded, or given away (or even returned after six months of use) gives the slave a comfort and security that rivals the happiest of marriages. Defining "ownership" as something different when refering to slaves, allows them to control the relationship.
Traditional definitions of slavery is not applicable to this discussion. you are attempting to bring definitions that don't apply in a consensul relationship. Ownership of a non-consenting person is an entirely different context as compared to Ownership of a consenting person. Bringing in Non-consenting ownership concept into this discussion just goes to show how little you understand Consensual Ownership as a whole!
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So this made me question who is really playing at ownership, and who is really exercising it. If ownership is only ownership when it is forever, who owns whom? Would you buy a car knowing that you could never sell it, return it, or give it away? Would such a purchase make you the owner of the car, or the car the owner of you?
First we are talking Ownership of a Human Being... Consensual Ownership. So when a car can think and feel like a human being your comparison will have relevance, but until then, the comparison is pointless.
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So by comparing real "ownership" (with its ability to sell, trade, or give away) to the "lifelong ownership", it reveals that in the typically accepted definition of Master/slave relationships, it is indeed the slave that is in possesion of the Master (and I thought it was supposed to be the other way round, silly me). Obviously, such a revelation is unacceptable, and must be battled, repressed, denied, and condemend (at least before all those "Masters" think about it too much *smile*).
Since you never lived this style of Life Ownership... it's clear you have no concept in understanding it. You conclusions actually show just how limited your understanding is.
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Ownership has always been my primary kink. So much so, that much of what I desire doing to my slave revolves around the proof of said ownership. I would loan my slave out to those I trusted, because you can't loan something out that is not yours. I would sell my slave or trade my slave for another, as you can not sell or trade that which you do not own. I would test the limits of ownership, just to prove to myself that it was real. It is what drives me in this lifestyle.
This is what makes me smile the most... You have to Prove your ownership. Reminds me of the School Yard Bully that has to prove He is the Meanest and toughest kid in school.
I don't loan out alandra because I have to prove anything... I loan her out because it's Fun and it pleases me. I already know I own her, she knows I own her. We don't need to prove it to ourselves or anything else. I have traded alandra with with another Dominant on a Temporary basis. But, sold alandra, I don't consider it, not because I can't, but why sell somthing that is priceless! When some can give me what alandra is worth, I just might consider selling her.... but I would say it's very unrealistic to think that anyone could give me anything that would compare in the value I have for her. Besides, since I am poly, if want another slave, I just get one. So no need to sell alandra or permanently trade her for another model.... I just go and get another model and get a bigger bed!
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I just never understood how this could be threatening to others...but I think I am beginning to get it.
Yes I can't understand why your so defensive of your view on Ownership... Can't understand why you need to prove to yourself it's Real.
edited for grammar and sentence structure
< Message edited by KnightofMists -- 2/17/2006 10:04:39 AM >
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