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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/9/2009 3:56:14 AM   
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I know and/or employ dozens of people who make $50 k a year and are paying college loans. Everyone of them can afford health insurance. You can play internet bitch all you want, someone making that kind of money is a fucking moron if they dont have health insurance.


$50k a year is roughly... 35 bring home. lets just round it up to 3000 a month, bring home... before anything is paid out.

Rent... 800 to 1000
power... 150
other utilities and cell phone... 300
food... 400
gas... lord knows they go through alot... 400 a month... and thats being conservative

we are already at 2400 a month, and no liability, no professional dues, no loans. and i am assuming she lives alone.

maybe 2 - 1 doesnt equal 1 anymore... hmmm.. cus it sure isnt adding up to her being able to afford it.


Don't forget 401(k) contributions because otherwise, when she turns 65 willbur will scream "she should have maxed out on the retirement contributions when she was young; she should have been able to afford that". That's $1333/month.

And of course all of that assumes that she plans on staying single and renting forever. Add children or a mortgage to the mix, and you have to add yet more.




And, do not forget to ask her if members of her family lost their jobs and she ended up contributing to their upkeep for food, living expenses and health care.  I got hit for over $30,000 in a year.  I am glad he is a mule and is probably sterile so this nonsense goes no further.

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/9/2009 9:27:09 AM   
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I wasn't asking about other countries (which I'm sure have nearly perfect governments and health care systems), I was asking about the United States government, which has become so corrupt and its members so greedy that a lot of people are speculating about America's coming total collapse.

Our government's scandalous behavior is insane, and people tolerate it. We elect and re-elect absolute maggots. You can have a freezer full of bribe money and be on your way to prison for corruption, and still be re-elected.

The voters just yawn when another huge scandal just happens to be revealed, and I say "just happens" because the media are little lap puppies or cheerleaders for whatever politician they happen to support.

There is very little real investigative journalism any more.

So, with the state of our government, it's scary to think that Congress is on the verge of absorbing all the power and wealth of an entire industry.

How can we trust them? They were supposed to be the watchdogs, but they're the opposite. They're the ones whose scandalous behavior has brought us to the point we're at now! Should we really just give them all this additional power and wealth, with no one watching over them? Let them reform the insurance industry, but keep them separate from the money and power as much as possible.

Here's a perfect example of typical Washington behavior: The Democrats have been screaming for eight long years that we're entering into another great depression. Yet one of the first things the new Democratic Congress decided to do was to buy themselves an entire fleet of shiny new luxury jet airplanes so that they can take their families and friends on more of their "official trips" all around the world whenever they want to in full comfort and style.

First class, all the way, baby!

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Congress Gets an Upgrade


$550 Million Slated for Purchase of Eight More Planes as Lawmakers' Travel Soars

...Congress turned harshly critical of companies that fly executives on private jets in the weeks following the government bailout of banks and auto makers last year. General Motors, Chrysler LLC and Citigroup Inc. were among those caught in the cross hairs of angry lawmakers.

...The 737s, known as C-40s by the military, are designed to be an "office in the sky" for government leaders, according to Air Force documents describing the plane. The plane is configured with all first-class leather seats, worktables, two large galleys for cooking and a "distinguished visitor compartment with sleep accommodations."


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124960404730212955.html




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Lawmakers' Global-Warming Trip Hit Tourist Hot Spots

Penguins, a Rocket-Propelled Airplane

WASHINGTON -- When 10 members of Congress wanted to study climate change, they did more than just dip their toes into the subject: They went diving and snorkeling at the Great Barrier Reef. They also rode a cable car through the Australian rain forest, visited a penguin rookery and flew to the South Pole.


The 11-day trip -- with six spouses traveling along as well -- took place over New Year's 2008. Details are only now coming to light as part of a Wall Street Journal analysis piecing together the specifics of the excursion.

It's tough to calculate the travel bills racked up by members of Congress, but one thing's for sure: They use a lot of airplanes. In recent days, House of Representatives members allocated $550 million to upgrade the fleet of luxury Air Force jets used for trips like these -- even though the Defense Department says it doesn't need all the planes.

The South Pole trip, led by Rep. Brian Baird (D., Wash.), ranks among the priciest. The lawmakers reported a cost to taxpayers of $103,000.

That figure, however, doesn't include the actual flying, because the trip used the Air Force planes, not commercial carriers. Flight costs would lift the total tab to more than $500,000, based on Defense Department figures for aircraft per-hour operating costs.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124967502810515267.html


And then, don't forget Orion's current thread, on how members of Congress are in a  69 with the mortgage industry:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2749602


Who is going to watch the watch dogs.


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Well in other countries with government run healthcare their costs are 1/3rd the cost of the U.S. and they pay a fraction of the cost for medications in other countries. If you could explain the reason other than socialized healthcare then I'm all ears.


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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/9/2009 12:56:30 PM   
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Dennis Kucinich: Here's What We Need to Do on Health Care :

"We need to show people that the only real way to control costs and to make health care widely available and to have your doctor choice is through a single-payer system. (youtube.com)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWXRwrYa4oU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWXRwrYa4oU

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/9/2009 1:03:24 PM   
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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/9/2009 1:06:53 PM   
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A Rancid Deal with Big Pharma
By William Greider
August 8, 2009


Take Action: Tell Congress "Do the right thing for your constituents"
http://capwiz.com/pdamerica/issues/alert/?alertid=13819501

Published by The Nation.

So now we know why the president wants everyone to make nice in the healthcare debate. His White House has cut a deal with Big Pharma that smells like the same old rotten politics that candidate Obama regularly denounced and promised to end. The drug industry agrees to deliver $80 billion in future savings and the president promises the government will not use its awesome purchasing power to negotiate lower drug prices.

Wow. This is roughly the same deal that George W. Bush cut with the drug makers when he was legislating Medicare's new coverage of drug purchases. It is the same bargain that Democrats in Congress universally condemned as wasteful and corrupt. The deal does not smell any better now that a Democratic president is embracing it.

In effect, Obama wants to give away one of the principal objectives of strong reform. The details were spelled out in today's New York Times and revealed by Big Pharma's top-dog lobbyist, Billy Tauzin, a former Republican congressman who leads the industry association. Tauzin called it a "rock-solid deal," and the White House did not dispute as much. But that is not the last word.

People who believe in real healthcare reform should not be nice about this. They must rise up and rebel against our popular new president's outrageous concession. They must demand that Congress declare the private deal-making null and void. If Congress lacks the nerve to do this, then this exercise in reform begins to look more and more like previous attempts that were eviscerated by the clout of the corporate interests.

The fate of healthcare reform may depend not on the Senate or the White House but on Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic majority in the House of Representatives. What prompted Billy Tauzin to spill the beans on his deal-making with White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel was the House measure that specifies government's right to bargain for lower prices. No, no, no! Tauzin said. We've got a deal with the president, who says that won't be allowed.

But House Speaker Nancy Pelosi simply responds that the House is not bound by any deals made with the Senate or the White House. Her caucus must back up her words.

They should pass the House bill, which will allow the government to do what any major customer would do in the same circumstances -- use its leverage to demand lower prices.

If House Democrats stand their ground, then they will force a debate they can win with the American public. President Obama will have to choose between standing with the drug manufacturers or defending the original purpose of healthcare reform.

© 2009 The Nation All rights reserved.

http://www.pdamerica.org/articles/news/2009-08-08-11-50-51-news.php


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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/9/2009 1:17:20 PM   
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I can't believe it took me less than 7 months to become so thoroughly disgusted with a president for whom I had such high hopes. I don't know if he simply wasn't ready, or if it was more a matter of never having had it in him in the first place, but either way it's increasingly clear that on way or another he's in way over his head.

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/9/2009 1:17:46 PM   
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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/9/2009 1:19:29 PM   
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Are you a bot?
I have wondered the same thing at times 


He may be a bot, but at least he's my kinda bot!

Keep diggin' 'em up, Brain, and we'll keep reading 'em.

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/9/2009 1:25:18 PM   
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Yawn. Check your source. Wall Street Journal has deteriorated to a mouthpiece of the extreme right wing since Murdoch bought it.

I, for one, am glad that our lawmakers are taking trips instead of staying in their Washington ivory tower. And I'm glad they are using Air Force jets as much as possible instead of having taxpayer's travel funds go into the pockets of foreign airlines. The cost calculation is off, too - the Air Force operates these planes much more cheaply than private industry would. In fact, it may actually be close to free. The pilots would be flying anyway for training purposes. They would still be burning fuel in the freight versions of the same planes, for training purposes. Insurance may not be an issue, either. The only real cost may well be the initial investment, and spare parts.

And also keep in mind that when a dozen or so people are traveling, the airfares on commercial airlines add up, too.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Here's a perfect example of typical Washington behavior: The Democrats have been screaming for eight long years that we're entering into another great depression. Yet one of the first things the new Democratic Congress decided to do was to buy themselves an entire fleet of shiny new luxury jet airplanes so that they can take their families and friends on more of their "official trips" all around the world whenever they want to in full comfort and style.



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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/9/2009 1:35:37 PM   
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They could do this. Do you have any ideas?

Bush-backers-only policy riles voters at RNC rallies

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/08/09/bush_backers_only_policy_riles_voters_at_rnc_rallies/



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not organized thugs whose sole purpose is to shut down the conversation and attempt to scare our leaders into inaction
And organising union thugs to shut them up is the appropriate response?


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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/9/2009 1:50:19 PM   
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Gallup Poll 8/7: Obama up to 58%. Watch GOP/Media Complex All But Ignore It.
By: Phoenix Woman Saturday August 8, 2009 2:00 pm

The recent Quinnipiac Poll putting President Obama at 50% got spammed all over the TradMed. You couldn't watch a TV news show or listen to the radio without hearing about it.

Well, guess what? After a Gallup Poll low of 53% in late July, Obama's Gallup favorables have been steadily growing as his unfavorables shrink, and he's at 58% favorable now. But I didn't hear about this on the evening news, or any other TradMed source. Nope, I got it from a diary at TPM.

Remember how the GOP/Media complex peed themselves in ecstasy whenever Bill Clinton's ratings dipped, and were silent when they rose? Remember how they loved talking about Bush's soaring approval ratings in the wake of 9/11 but couldn't bring themselves to admit it when his ratings crashed through the floor? What the TradMed did to Clinton, they're now doing to Obama

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/7057

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/9/2009 1:53:13 PM   
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well I know its a wild idea,but one could just wait them out and then speak the truth. Heckling has been part of politics in this country for as long as this country has been around (longer actually), I can't imagine it has ever been much different down south. Yes, its sort of sad that either side has lowered themselves to using this tactic in a matter of this importance, but it is nothing new, nor is it particularly heinous. Generally it is a sign that those on the hecklers' side are losing and they know it.
Maybe you would prefer to go with precedent and relegate them to "free speech zones"? People are pissed off, they were worried about what health care reform might entail and they have been lied to by its opponents. Those that believe the lies are pissed off, as would be anybody who actually believed that the bill contains what its opponents have claimed it contains. The bills' opponents are then tapping into this anger to mobilize its grassroots to disrupt and heckle, a time honoured practice in politics.
The issue here should not be that there are hecklers, but that they are being deliberately mislead by people who know the real facts (but then again, that practice is as old as politics as well, what can I say, politics is a really, really dirty business that attracts the very worst of society to its ranks).


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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/9/2009 2:10:45 PM   
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Stop the violence at health care town halls

http://www.seiu.org/2009/08/stop-the-violence-at-health-care-town-halls.php

5:08 PM Eastern - August 7, 2009
By Dr. L. Toni Lewis, MD

Things are turning ugly. Town halls, which typically serve as open, safe environments to ask questions of elected officials, have degenerated into violent shouting matches.

Last night in St. Louis, Missouri, a reverend and member of SEIU was assaulted at a town hall. The incident, along with a town hall in Tampa, Florida, has been all over the radio and cable news shows. GOP operatives are rushing to paint it as SEIU "thug" violence. That couldn't be further from the truth.

Watch the video with footage from these events:
http://action.seiu.org/townhall

Cable news channels are broadcasting images of neighbors turning against one another in chaotic, sometimes frightening town hall meetings. Incited by extremist radio and TV hosts, "teabagger" protesters are yelling and chanting talking points that span from radicalism to racism.

Enough is enough. Click here to sign a pledge for civil, honest debates about health care reform:
http://action.seiu.org/townhall

It is extremely discouraging to see people treating one another like this. And it's a reminder of how GOP scare-tactics ("the government will kill the elderly,!" "the government will choose your doctors!" or "the government will ration care!") use fear to overpower the truth.

We are at a turning point. To succeed, we will continue to elevate this conversation, distinguish ourselves from the opposition, and speak to our fellow Americans with respect and dignity. Where we disagree, we'll invite discussion. And when we agree, we'll work together toward a solution.

That's the only way we're going to solve our nation's health care crisis. When it comes to quality, affordable health care, the stakes are too high to let shouting run the show.

Thanks for standing up.

http://www.seiu.org/2009/08/stop-the-violence-at-health-care-town-halls.php

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/9/2009 2:24:04 PM   
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WSJ is a hell of a lot better than the dailykos drivel that bot keeps posting. And so what if it does lean right, most every other "news" source such as the NYT etc. are in the toilet for the far left.

I think that your only real problem with the WSJ is that it  keeps exposing the Left's vast hypocrisy, just as it did in this case. Some people don't care how corrupt their lawmakers are, as long as they're their lawmakers I suppose...


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Yawn. Check your source. Wall Street Journal has deteriorated to a mouthpiece of the extreme right wing since Murdoch bought it.

I, for one, am glad that our lawmakers are taking trips instead of staying in their Washington ivory tower. And I'm glad they are using Air Force jets as much as possible instead of having taxpayer's travel funds go into the pockets of foreign airlines. The cost calculation is off, too - the Air Force operates these planes much more cheaply than private industry would. In fact, it may actually be close to free. The pilots would be flying anyway for training purposes. They would still be burning fuel in the freight versions of the same planes, for training purposes. Insurance may not be an issue, either. The only real cost may well be the initial investment, and spare parts.

And also keep in mind that when a dozen or so people are traveling, the airfares on commercial airlines add up, too.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Here's a perfect example of typical Washington behavior: The Democrats have been screaming for eight long years that we're entering into another great depression. Yet one of the first things the new Democratic Congress decided to do was to buy themselves an entire fleet of shiny new luxury jet airplanes so that they can take their families and friends on more of their "official trips" all around the world whenever they want to in full comfort and style.





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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/9/2009 3:16:06 PM   
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The Me-First, Screw-Everyone-Else Crowd

Posted on Aug 7, 2009
By David Sirota

I know I should be mortified by the lobbyist-organized mobs of angry Brooks Brothers mannequins who are now making headlines by shutting down congressional town hall meetings. I know I should be despondent during this, the Khaki Pants Offensive in the Great American Health Care and Tax War. And yet, I’m euphorically repeating one word over and over again with a big grin on my face.

Finally.

Finally, there’s no pretense. Finally, the Me-First, Screw-Everyone-Else Crowd’s ugliest traits are there for all to behold.

The group’s core gripe is summarized in a letter I received that denounces a proposed surtax on the wealthy and corporations to pay for universal health care:

“Until recently, my family was in the top 3 percent of wage earners,” the affluent businessperson fumed in response to my July column on taxes. “We are in the group that pays close to 60 percent of this nation’s taxes. ... Think for a second how you would feel if you built a business and contributed more than your share to this country only to be treated like a pariah.”

This sob story about the persecuted rich fuels today’s “Tea Parties”—and I’m sure you’ve heard some version of it in your community.

I’m also fairly certain that when many of you run into the Me-First, Screw-Everyone-Else Crowd, you don’t feel like confronting the faux outrage.

But on the off chance you do muster the masochistic impulse to engage, here’s a guide to navigating the conversation:

What They Will Scream:
We can’t raise business taxes, because American businesses already pay excessively high taxes!

What You Should Say:
Here’s the smallest violin in the world playing for the businesses. The Government Accountability Office reports that most U.S. corporations pay zero federal income tax. Additionally, as even the Bush Treasury Department admitted, America’s effective corporate tax rate is the third-lowest in the industrialized world.

What They Will Scream:
But the rich still “pay close to 60 percent of this nation’s taxes!”

What You Should Say:
Such statistics refer only to the federal income tax. When considering all of “this nation’s taxes” including payroll, state and local levies, the top 5 percent pay just 38.5 percent of the taxes.

What They Will Scream:
But 38.5 percent is disproportionately high! See? You’ve proved that the rich “contribute more than their share” of taxes!

What You Should Say:
Actually, they are paying almost exactly “their share.” According to the data, the wealthiest 5 percent of America pays 38.5 percent of the total taxes precisely because they make just about that share—a whopping 36.5 percent!—of total national income. Asking these folks to pay slightly more in taxes—and still less than they did during the go-go 1990s—is hardly extreme.

Stripped of facts, your conversation partner will soon turn to unscientific terrain, claiming it is immoral to “steal” and “redistribute” income via taxes.

Of course, he will be specifically railing on “stealing” for stuff like health care, which he insists gets “redistributed” only to the undeserving and the “lazy” (a classic codeword for “minorities”). But he will also say it’s OK that government sent trillions of dollars to Wall Streeters.

And that’s when you should stop wasting your breath.

What you’ve discovered is that the Me-First, Screw-Everyone-Else Crowd isn’t interested in fairness, empiricism or morality.

With 22,000 of their fellow countrymen dying annually for lack of health insurance and with Warren Buffett paying a lower effective tax rate than his secretary, the Me-First, Screw-Everyone-Else Crowd is merely using the argot of fairness, empiricism and morality to hide its real motive: selfish greed.

No argument, however rational, is going to cure these narcissists of that grotesque disease.

David Sirota is the bestselling author of “Hostile Takeover” (2006) and “The Uprising” (2008). Find his blog at OpenLeft.com or e-mail him at [email protected]

© 2009 Creators.com

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/9/2009 8:31:51 PM   
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So, we have heard the stories about canada.... how about one for the US?

http://www.justice.org/docs/TenWorstInsuranceCompanies.pdf

http://www.justice.org/resources/InsuranceTactics.pdf

http://www.justice.org/resources/Truth_Torts_704.pdf ... if your a Bush fan, dont read this one.

http://www.justice.org/resources/POG2007.pdf

http://www.justice.org/resources/POG_2006.pdf

http://www.justice.org/resources/Preemption_Rpt.pdf... not for Bush fans either

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/9/2009 9:18:19 PM   
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THE INFLUENCE GAME: Chamber at odds with Obama

8/8/2009, 11:05 a.m. EDT
JIM KUHNHENNThe Associated Press

(AP) — WASHINGTON -If President Barack Obama wants to take the measure of his opposition, he only has to glance across Lafayette Park from the White House. There, behind 10 massive Corinthian columns, is the headquarters of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce-a leading critic of the administration's health care and banking overhaul plans.

A fortress for the business community, the chamber has emerged as a multitasking, multimillion-dollar defender of the private sector against presidential initiatives. As lawmakers spend time at home during their August vacation hearing from constituents, the chamber is adding its own heat to the season.

There's a $2 million campaign against Obama's proposals that would make the government a competitor in the health insurance market. It's trying to make the case for insurers, which oppose a government-run insurance alternative but want to work with the White House to mandate coverage for all.

The chamber also has become a pointed critic of a White House plan to create a consumer finance protection agency and is assembling finance sector trade groups to push for a delay in legislation.

With 3 million members, the chamber is working with local and regional affiliates on letter-writing campaigns to lawmakers and plans to track their public appearances to make sure they hear the chamber's point of view.

The summer effort is just a start.

The group also is readying an ambitious $100 million campaign to advocate for businesses and a free enterprise system, which chamber officials believe is under attack. The chamber is putting lawmakers on notice: the issues campaign will be timed to lead into the 2010 congressional elections.

"You've got an administration pushing the federal government into a bigger and bigger footprint," Bruce Josten, the chamber's chief lobbyist, said in an interview. "CEOs start to get concerned when they see that. We felt we needed someone to step into this space."

Critics point out the chamber objects to government interference in the private sector even though it supported federal efforts to rescue the financial industry with hundreds of billions of dollars and to bail out struggling automakers. What's more, the chamber is setting itself up as a foil to the administration on health care while insurers and the health industry seek to negotiate with the White House.

As part of its health care effort, the chamber is running newspaper and online ads against a government-run insurance option that are targeted to moderate Democrats and Republicans in five states. On banking rules, it recently organized the financial industry to call for a delay in legislation that would set up a consumer protection agency

The insurance industry opposes a government-run alternative to private insurers. But instead of criticizing, America's Health Insurance Plans is running ads encouraging universal coverage and calling for "bipartisan reforms."

"We've been focusing on what we're for," said Robert Zirkelbach, the group's spokesman.
Wary of having the chamber identified as an uncompromising opponent of health care change, Josten caused a stir recently with a letter to the Senate Finance Committee urging action on a bipartisan proposal before the August recess. Republican leaders have demanded that the pace of deliberations slow down. But Josten said "the business community vitally needs better policy alternatives to be proposed by Congress."

Wary of having the chamber identified as an uncompromising opponent of health care change, Josten caused a stir recently with a letter to the Senate Finance Committee urging action on a bipartisan proposal before the August recess. Republican leaders have demanded that the pace of deliberations slow down. But Josten said "the business community vitally needs better policy alternatives to be proposed by Congress."

Josten said he also wanted to "send a signal of what is passable." What's more, he said, if the committee reached a compromise now, the chamber's policy team would have all of August to scrutinize it. "If it's a terrible bill, it gives me a target," he said.

The health care issue has become prominent on U.S. airwaves. So far, the administration has a significant spending advantage, getting support from Organizing for America, which grew out of Obama's presidential campaign and is now a subsidiary of the Democratic National Committee, and from labor and liberal allies.

Evan Tracey, who tracks political advertising as president of the Campaign Media Analysis Group, said that as of the first week of August, the amount spent on ads supporting an Obama-styled plan totaled more than $22 million to more than $8 million against it.

One of the leading spenders against Obama's plan is Conservatives for Patients Rights, a group led and largely financed by Rick Scott, a former hospital executive. Scott was chief executive of Columbia/HCA, a health care company that pleaded guilty to overbilling charges.

Tracey identified at least $22 million in additional ads-many from the drug or insurance industries-that advocate changes in health care without specifying support for a particular proposal. Many of those ads, however, call for a bipartisan approach in an effort to temper legislation written by Democratic-led congressional committees.


On the Net:
U.S. Chamber of Commerce: http://www.uschamber.com

http://www.syracuse.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/base/national-7/1249738089316160.xml&storylist=health&thispage=1


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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/9/2009 9:21:25 PM   
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It's really sad what they get away with. I feel really bad for those hurricane Katrina victims getting no help from the government, insurance companies or the courts when they took it to court.

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/9/2009 9:29:05 PM   
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I guess you're talking about me. I guess by bot you mean robot, well, I would probably say that about Obama. Compared to him I'm more of the dumb ass. I found out recently Obama's mother would wake him up at 4 AM before he went to school so he could study for three hours. And he didn't like it so he was complaining about it to her and Obama's mother said, "It isn't easy for me either Buster"

I don't think Obama is going to sell out his mother who died of cancer and had to fight with insurance companies about her cancer being a pre-existing condition.

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RE: HEALTH CARE - 8/10/2009 1:25:29 AM   
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Obama To Drug Industry: We Still Have A Deal

"Pressed by industry lobbyists, White House officials on Wednesday assured drug makers that the administration stood by a behind-the-scenes deal to block any Congressional effort to extract cost savings from them beyond an agreed-upon $80 billion,"

quote:

The New York Times reports
The New York Times reports. "Drug industry lobbyists reacted with alarm this week to a House health care overhaul measure that would allow the government to negotiate drug prices and demand additional rebates from drug manufacturers."

Drug makers then "demanded that the White House explicitly acknowledge for the first time that it had committed to protect drug makers from bearing further costs in the overhaul. The Obama administration had never spelled out the details of the agreement."

Recently, "Mr. Obama and Congressional Democrats have signaled that they value some of its industry enemies-turned-friends more than others.

Drug makers have been elevated to a seat of honor at the negotiating table, while insurers have been pushed away…

Administration officials and Democratic lawmakers say the growing divergence in tone toward the two groups reflects a combination of policy priorities and political calculus" (Kirkpatrick, 8/5).

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/160102.php

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