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ORIGINAL: GambitLeBeau

How do people in a hierarchical, polyamorous situation deal with seeing their dominant submitting? Especially if the kinks go to the extreme end?
It takes a real toll on me to keep a leash on my protective streak when I know my Mistress has a sub side which wants to be brutalized.

Sorry to side track, but it's a similar topic so I didn't wanna open a new thread.

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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally

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ORIGINAL: Dastan

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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally

I agree with ^^

Also in relation to the quote he used then, it is concerning to me that you think only men are flawed when indeed that is a human trait

Well, the fact is that as a man, and seeing humanity at its worst, i know for a fact that man is more of a force of nature, an almost exclusively/purely instinctive creature capable of descending to the depths of inhumanity than a woman is. I saw war and although I saw my share of attrocities commited, instigated or even planned by women, those were a grain of sand in the dune of male-led actions, and I know full well the nature of manhood in its darkest rooms and corners.

I just don't see women as persons who can be at our level. I don't feel inferior to women, but I do feel they operate on a higher level in some areas of their souls and hearts. I must say it is why I think that I have an strong aversion to see women touched by some of the filth in the world, and why I consider them a better part of humanity.

Then you have never been in a female pub toilet.

Defining characteristics based on genitals regardless of which sex you are favouring is a flawed method of classification. Your war example falls flat as women have fought in wars, and if you want to see attrocities committed by women look up Thatcher. Sorry but I find you rather offensive to be fair.

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ORIGINAL: Dastan

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ORIGINAL: GambitLeBeau

How do people in a hierarchical, polyamorous situation deal with seeing their dominant submitting? Especially if the kinks go to the extreme end?
It takes a real toll on me to keep a leash on my protective streak when I know my Mistress has a sub side which wants to be brutalized.

Sorry to side track, but it's a similar topic so I didn't wanna open a new thread.

It may not seem to you as part of the topic but I commend and congratulate you for actually suggesting a new scenario which deals with my same issue. How to see the person we feel should dominate for us to submit, submitting to someone else? I think it does resemble more my issue

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ORIGINAL: Dastan

I am sorry you do....I didn't want to offend but I just act as my heart tells me.

And as for attrocities commited by women....I have seen what I saw here. Even if it's different from the world trend and in fact women are worse than men, then I still stick to thinking as I do about women, if not superior, are indeed unable to descend to the same level we can, even in their best try.

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ORIGINAL: Dastan

I must admit, with some shame, that I have a bigotry, a prejudice which I have recently come to regret....

Perhaps it's not that I submit, or that I am submissive (the two words don't mean the same, you can submit without being a true submissive and vice-versa) or that I simply come froma culture where my people holds woman in a higher level than men. It's just that the idea of a woman kneeling, tied, beaten, abused, humiliated and controlled by some guy stirs in me the same feelings than if I had a rubber bullet or tazer gun and saw a guy try to rape a girl, or beat her down, an irrefrenable, unflinching sense that this is so wrong, that i need to stop it with vicious, 3 miles past the level of extreme prejudice to punish him for attacking a woman.

I don't have it easy because most Maledom-femaleSub scenes are like that to me, while I am not bothered much by Female Submission, nto to the point of attacking the dominant to stop her, but I 90% of the times, in 90% of the activities, past the initial warm-up or beginner's level of intensity or force, I have to turn my eyes away like if I saw a car going to hit my friend and I couldn't help her nor warn her, I just can't take much of it, I must admit can't take any of it almost...

Recently, that cost me a friendship as I misjudged whatwas happening, as an imbecile tourist and his wife are in a Male-Dom Female Sub couple relationship and brought along a slave girl who's a heavy Maso and has fiorced sex fantasies. To not dwell on it, let's say I am lucky it ended a friendship and didn't end me in jail. I just discovered that i am uncapable of seeing women submit to men, I just don't know if anyone here has the same problem and if they had a way to tolerate it, as long as it is very light, and within the strictest defined limits of SSC.

¿ Is it something permanetly wrong in me or it can be fixed ?

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ORIGINAL: Dastan
----> Well, it is that which brought me to ask. I felt ashamed but it's just that the thought of a woman, a lady, dominant or submissive, under a guy's authority and the humiliation ad pain play....I mean, it's like poking a tiger with a stick and hoping it won't bash against the bars of his cage until he breaks it....I just feel it's so wrong. Women are sacred to us, and to see a lady in such a position...it just strikes a nerve in me, a deep sensitive one..........

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ORIGINAL: Dastan
Women are sacred to us, and to see a lady in such a position...it just strikes a nerve in me, a deep sensitive one..........

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I I just don't find a way to see women submitting as a normal thing,

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

You're not alone. I have difficulty with female submission, but from the "hey.. I know it's play but you are setting the whole fem program back a generation".

Guys.. just know you are dominating them because they LET you dominate them, just like the men let the Women dominate THEM.

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First of, Cali, in Colombia, my country, is kind of a bad example since in latter years they have been contaminated a lot by the gene-trash of the Andes region with their customs, but my people tend to hold woman in a respected place. I am part of the caribbean region, but my people predate the palenques and others cultural groups as I descend from what soem may call gypsies.

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not to be racist or else, but my people have better customs in that sense

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ORIGINAL: Apocalypso

To go back to the sacred question, do you actually think you are in the position to understand the motivations of somebody who's sacred?

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... I LOVE my wife. I love her more than you do. I respect her more than you do. She is more sacred to me than you... by A LOT. I love her enough that if she fell in love with another man, my parting command to her would be "go and be happy." Yet she lives under my authority. So either you think I'm a liar or else you're missing an important piece of the equation.

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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First of, Cali, in Colombia, my country, is kind of a bad example since in latter years they have been contaminated a lot by the gene-trash of the Andes region with their customs, but my people tend to hold woman in a respected place. I am part of the caribbean region, but my people predate the palenques and others cultural groups as I descend from what soem may call gypsies.

You just lost whatever support you might have had. Racist statements like that just piss me off. Gene-trash???? Listen buddy, the gypsies were on the receiving end of that idea in the 1940s, one would think that you being descended from them might be a little more educated about such things, but apparently not. If you are an example of the way people in Colombia think, then I am damn glad I ain't in Colombia.

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ORIGINAL: GambitLeBeau

If I were to offer advice, based on your current beliefs, right or wrong- why not try and think of it as all women having the potential to be superior? Only some choose to take it.

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ORIGINAL: Dastan

also my duty to protect them when they need

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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally

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ORIGINAL: Dastan

also my duty to protect them when they need

If they are so superior why would they EVER need you to protect them, patronising much